Members Hugh_Flower Posted October 1, 2021 Members Share Posted October 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said: Would you two guys be willing to provide Scripture showing that Jews had to be baptized to be saved? Yes sorry, had a very long day at work apologies for the late response. Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jim_Alaska Posted October 1, 2021 Administrators Share Posted October 1, 2021 Acts 16:30-31 (KJV) And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted October 1, 2021 Members Share Posted October 1, 2021 Yes good catch, the dispensation changed. SureWord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SureWord Posted October 1, 2021 Members Share Posted October 1, 2021 22 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said: Would you two guys be willing to provide Scripture showing that Jews had to be baptized to be saved? Um...Acts 2:38. We don't need to be baptized to receive the Holy Ghost. They did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jim_Alaska Posted October 2, 2021 Administrators Share Posted October 2, 2021 SureWord, You are deflecting and changing the subject. The subject was that the Jews had to be baptized to be saved, not to receive the Holy Ghost, as you stated. It is difficult for me to believe that a Baptist would ever say that anyone had to be baptized to be saved, or that there was a "different method of salvation". But difficult or not, I have now heard a "supposed" Baptist say it. A sad day indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jim_Alaska Posted October 2, 2021 Administrators Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 9/30/2021 at 11:26 AM, SureWord said: Peter makes it clear that the Jews will have to be baptized with the baptism unto repentance for the forgiveness of sins to be saved as a nation. Yes, the blood of Christ will be involved but they can trample under foot and consider unclean the blood of the covenant as mention in Hebrews. Their salvation will be completed when the Lord returns as Peter mentioned in his epistle. The church will be complete and in heaven when this occurs. There will be no sealing of the Spirit except for the 144,000 virgins. This is why it's called the Great Tribulation. It will be a trial of all the souls of men unlike the age we live in. And what of a situation like we find with Abraham? Romans 4:3 (KJV) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. He was not baptized, so, by your reasoning he must not have been saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jim_Alaska Posted October 2, 2021 Administrators Share Posted October 2, 2021 Acts 2:21 (KJV) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Hmmmm, doesn't say anything about being baptized; must be a mistake huh? TheGloryLand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheGloryLand Posted October 2, 2021 Author Members Share Posted October 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said: Acts 2:21 (KJV) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Hmmmm, doesn't say anything about being baptized; must be a mistake huh? The charismatics are the ones that believe salvation is through baptism. Teaching you can also learn how to speak in tongues by repeating cokacolacokacolacokacola. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted October 3, 2021 Members Share Posted October 3, 2021 You know Jim, In honesty Im just repeating what I have learned through people. In that it’s a systematic method of theology, which isn’t the best way to approach the study of scripture. If I can not defend it, I can not attend to the truth of it. How ever, I believe I am not remembering the full study, and Im not providing this method of interpretation justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted October 3, 2021 Members Share Posted October 3, 2021 To add. To me this is the way to approach it. the grace was supplied at the cross the grace was dispensed at Pentecost the grace was revealed unto Paul at his transformation. This is how I view at the moment, And If I was better at showing my self reproved I could show you what I am trying to say, However I am still learning. I apologize Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted November 10, 2021 Members Share Posted November 10, 2021 On 10/1/2021 at 8:05 PM, Jim_Alaska said: And what of a situation like we find with Abraham? Romans 4:3 (KJV) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. He was not baptized, so, by your reasoning he must not have been saved. The Nation of Israel didn’t crucify Jesus Christ and reject him yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jim_Alaska Posted November 10, 2021 Administrators Share Posted November 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Hugh_Flower said: The Nation of Israel didn’t crucify Jesus Christ and reject him yet I am missing your point Hugh, is there one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted November 10, 2021 Members Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said: I am missing your point Hugh, is there one? You said Abraham didn’t have to be baptized and I’m agreeing with you - for the reason I provided. Edited November 10, 2021 by Hugh_Flower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jerry Posted November 10, 2021 Members Share Posted November 10, 2021 No one in the history of the world needed to be baptized for salvation - which is what Hugh Flower and SureWord are teaching (at least for other dispensations - I am not sure where they stand on the Gospel in this one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jim_Alaska Posted November 10, 2021 Administrators Share Posted November 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Hugh_Flower said: You said Abraham didn’t have to be baptized and I’m agreeing with you - for the reason I provided. So then, by saying that "The Nation of Israel didn’t crucify Jesus Christ and reject him yet", are you then saying that after this happened people had to be baptized to be saved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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