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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

When your Pastor starts loosing his touch...

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This is part of life, when great men of God, pastors and preachers start loosing it. Their preaching start falling short and their teaching also. When some pastors, not all, as they age. How does the church handle such situations. Its so hard to say to this person, it is time to step down. 

 

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22 minutes ago, E Morales said:

This is part of life, when great men of God, pastors and preachers start loosing it. Their preaching start falling short and their teaching also. When some pastors, not all, as they age. How does the church handle such situations. Its so hard to say to this person, it is time to step down. 

 

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I think you could have chosen a better example...This man isn't even Baptist...and this is, after all, a Baptist site. 

Now as far as I can recall, I've been in four churches where the pastor has been asked to resign because he wasn't up to the task. The first was shortly after my wife and I were married. The church was not satisfied with the lack of depth in preaching given by the pastor at that time. He resigned, went to another church and was removed from that church after six months.

The second was when we lived in Illinois. A church accused the pastor and a deacon who were good friends and were constantly in each others company, of being romantically involved. They weren't. But, there were elements that wanted the pastor gone because the church was predominantly white, and the pastor was an American Indian. The "ruling" family of the church started stirring up trouble when some problems within their family were brought to light, because these problems were affecting the church....UGH! They also said he wasn't preaching the "whole counsel of God." Incorrect..they just wanted to see him leave.

The last two have been here in Tennessee over the past 26 1/2 years. It's never easy to tell a previously great preacher/pastor that he's not doing well any longer. It takes fasting, prayer, and a lot of Biblical searching and Godly direction to be able to tell one this. I'd never want to have to tell someone this again. 

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1 hour ago, E Morales said:

This is part of life, when great men of God, pastors and preachers start loosing it. Their preaching start falling short and their teaching also. When some pastors, not all, as they age. How does the church handle such situations. Its so hard to say to this person, it is time to step down. 

 

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I don't need scripture. Part of my personal beliefs is that we are each responsible for ourselves. Don't worry about others. Put no one on a pedestal and expect more of them than of yourself. 

It is also my personal belief that if you are a Christian you are a minister. There are ministers who are hired by the church. Their job is to prepare the other ministers (all of us) for our ministries in the world. They  cannot go into all the areas of our worlds. Only we can and it is our job to minister there. For instance, where I worked no one without a clearance could come into the building. My pastor/preacher could not enter. Thus, it was up to other Christians who worked there to take Christ into that building.

 

2 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

We find in Scripture how Christians are supposed act and live which includes pastors. However, Pastor and deacons then have qualifications above and beyond the church member. God expects more from the pastor and gave them qualifications.

That does not mean I should expect more of them than of myself. 

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12 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Do you need a specific scripture to believe you should hold yourself to a high standard? Isn't it common sense if you are a Christian? 

What scripture do you use to justify the standard you hold for yourself?

Nasty photo. Abusive. 

Pastors are to "Feed the flock." That is their main duty...they are to feed the flock:

1 Peter 5:2

“Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;”

A good shepherd feeds the sheep...Protects and directs the sheep..even a good undershepherd will do this (John 10:1-21). In the passage given, Christ gives undershepherds an example. I'm not sure I know many undershepherds who would literally lay down their lives to save someone in their congregation, but I do know of some who MIGHT go that far...

So, BB, you say you "don't need Scripture." That's a pretty defining statement. Also, let me add that those who "rule well," or are our overseers in the church, pastors...SHEPHERDS of the flock, are worthy of "double honor" if they rule well....I just don't get  you, friend. It's been pretty obvious during my postings with you that you don't seem to care much about Scripture, and that worries me for you. I pray you're truly saved.

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3 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Pastors are to "Feed the flock." That is their main duty...they are to feed the flock:

1 Peter 5:2

“Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;”

A good shepherd feeds the sheep...Protects and directs the sheep..even a good undershepherd will do this (John 10:1-21). In the passage given, Christ gives undershepherds an example. I'm not sure I know many undershepherds who would literally lay down their lives to save someone in their congregation, but I do know of some who MIGHT go that far...

So, BB, you say you "don't need Scripture." That's a pretty defining statement. Also, let me add that those who "rule well," or are our overseers in the church, pastors...SHEPHERDS of the flock, are worthy of "double honor" if they rule well....I just don't get  you, friend. It's been pretty obvious during my postings with you that you don't seem to care much about Scripture, and that worries me for you. I pray you're truly saved.

True, BT and that preparing should equip them to carry Christ to their workplace or wherever they go. Do you agree?

 

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BT and Jerry,

What scripture do you look to to justify the standard you hold yourself to? 

Thinking about it I would say the Golden Rule. 

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you: do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

But, don't expect others to treat you that well. 

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46 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

True, BT and that preparing should equip them to carry Christ to their workplace or wherever they go. Do you agree?

 

I agree that the Bible teaches we all who are Christians should do our best to serve him every day. I believe the undershepherd should be feeding the flock (they should also be feeding themselves as real sheep do...they eat grass, etc., and don't expect the shepherd to be handing them handfuls of grass and goodies) and guiding and directing them away from areas that aren't good for them. But, I DO expect a shepherd/undershepherd to have more authority placed on them because they ARE the shepherd. They should be equipped and should be equipping us with the knowledge and spiritual food from the Word of God. I don't believe you and I are coming from the same premise on this, so you'll probably disagree, as you always have seemed to do. 

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Wait a second. BB, you said and I quote, "I don't need scripture", and then ask what Scripture I use? I'm curious why you want Scripture you said you don't need? You're deflecting from your original statement to get others defensive. Stand by your statement and stop deflecting when called out. 

2 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

That does not mean I should expect more of them than of myself. 

All I said was God has qualifications for Pastors. If you don't that, take it up with God, I'm just the messenger.  BTW...Scripture is my final authority, not man. 

God set special qualifications for a Pastor and deacons, which means he expects more out of them. Does not mean they are to be lifted up, just that God expects more than the member sitting in the pew. 

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41 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

BT and Jerry,

What scripture do you look to to justify the standard you hold yourself to? 

Thinking about it I would say the Golden Rule. 

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you: do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

But, don't expect others to treat you that well. 

 

Remember, BB, we don't live UNDER THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS any longer, but under grace. Christ fulfilled the requirements of the law and the prophets. I look to the 10 Commandments....they still contain the spirit of the law, but are a good guide for us...the Golden Rule is too. We won't be perfect here on earth, but we can certainly make it our goal to be as Christ-like as possible.

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1 hour ago, PastorMatt said:

Wait a second. BB, you said and I quote, "I don't need scripture", and then ask what Scripture I use? I'm curious why you want Scripture you said you don't need? You're deflecting from your original statement to get others defensive. Stand by your statement and stop deflecting when called out. 

All I said was God has qualifications for Pastors. If you don't that, take it up with God, I'm just the messenger.  BTW...Scripture is my final authority, not man. 

God set special qualifications for a Pastor and deacons, which means he expects more out of them. Does not mean they are to be lifted up, just that God expects more than the member sitting in the pew. 

Because living as Christ-like a life as possible means I do not have to worry about thinking, 'What scripture can I use to justify this.' 

Well, God may expect more of pastors and deacons, but that does not mean I expect more of them than of myself. I do not. I expect more of myself.  

I should have thought longer on the scripture before replying. Regardless, the Golden Rule is what I strive to live by. Do you? Why would not any Christian not be expected to do differently. I did ask what scripture you used to justify your actions and dealings with others. I note, you did not answer. Why not?

 

1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

I agree that the Bible teaches we all who are Christians should do our best to serve him every day. I believe the undershepherd should be feeding the flock (they should also be feeding themselves as real sheep do...they eat grass, etc., and don't expect the shepherd to be handing them handfuls of grass and goodies) and guiding and directing them away from areas that aren't good for them. But, I DO expect a shepherd/undershepherd to have more authority placed on them because they ARE the shepherd. They should be equipped and should be equipping us with the knowledge and spiritual food from the Word of God. I don't believe you and I are coming from the same premise on this, so you'll probably disagree, as you always have seemed to do. 

I have no idea what you mean by 'authority.' Please enlighten me. Thanks. 

41 minutes ago, SureWord said:

Are you saved?

Are you? Do you try to always find a scripture before you act?

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9 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

 I did ask what scripture you used to justify your actions and dealings with others. I note, you did not answer. Why not?

lol, nice deflect. I mentioned the Pastoral Qualifications in the Bible (found in 1 Timothy). Maybe you missed it, scroll up, it's up there. 

Praise the Lord you don't need God's Word. You are the first one I came across that doesn't need it each day, what's your secret?  I try to base my actions on the Word of God and fail to many times, that's why I read it each day as it is the standard. Glad to see you don't need it daily.

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5 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

lol, nice deflect. I mentioned the Pastoral Qualifications in the Bible (found in 1 Timothy). Maybe you missed it, scroll up, it's up there. 

Praise the Lord you don't need God's Word. You are the first one I came across that doesn't need it each day, what's your secret?  I try to base my actions on the Word of God and fail to many times, that's why I read it each day as it is the standard. Glad to see you don't need it daily.

As usual, you avoid a direct answer. 

And please answer this question that I have asked before in this thread.

Why should the pastoral qualifications given in the Bible make me not expect more of myself than of others?

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13 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Because living as Christ-like a life as possible means I do not have to worry about thinking, 'What scripture can I use to justify this.' 

Well, God may expect more of pastors and deacons, but that does not mean I expect more of them than of myself. I do not. I expect more of myself.  

I should have thought longer on the scripture before replying. Regardless, the Golden Rule is what I strive to live by. Do you? Why would not any Christian not be expected to do differently. I did ask what scripture you used to justify your actions and dealings with others. I note, you did not answer. Why not?

 

I have no idea what you mean by 'authority.' Please enlighten me. Thanks. 

Are you? Do you try to always find a scripture before you act?

BB, again....I DID answer.as usual, you REFUSE to accept the answer. You truly need to start reading and comprehending...I stated the 10 Commandments and the Golden Rule. Your reaqding skills seem to be lacking...no offense meant, but, truly...WAKE UP! I try to make sure that what I do is ALWAYS in line with Scripture and the teachings of Jesus Christ. Quit trying to deflect from the questions people have asked you about your own salvation, because manhyof us are concerned.

Just now, Bouncing Bill said:

As usual, you avoid a direct answer. 

And please answer this question that I have asked before in this thread.

Why should the pastoral qualifications given in the Bible make me not expect more of myself than of others?

BB...I've answered your questions...and to be honest, you're not worth answering when you try to play these games...I don't play them. Either fly right or fly away. 

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