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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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32 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

No one. But the woman in the photo is holding an assault rifle and a Bible. The only purpose of this rifle is to kill people. So, as she is holding a Bible I want to know where in the Bible it is justified to kill people. Can you give me an answer?

To' me it is a sin to show the Bible and at the same time show it is acceptable to kill people. Show me where in the Bible this would be acceptable. 

Same with a sword. They were made to kill, that is why swords are made for battle. 

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18 minutes ago, Martyr_4_FutureJoy said:

... no one set them straight until God sent a messenger to tell them ?      I think the assembly in Corinth learned or at least they were told and shown in the Bible how to correct the unnecessary sickness and deaths occurring.

Is that even desired here , or anywhere on the internet for that matter ?   (i.e. who is providing healing?)  

p.s. there are a few sites providing healing information.   When the government finds them, whether real or just for show or for profit selling a way to be healed,  they are usually deleted.

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3 minutes ago, Martyr_4_FutureJoy said:

Any example ever seen on the site , or only in private unposted conversations ? 

This board has been going on since 2001. Yes it has taken place. We've had some become Christians, we've had couples meet on here and then get married, and I've seen people turned away from God due to attitudes of members.

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Just now, PastorMatt said:

This board has been going on since 2001. Yes it has taken place. We've had some become Christians, we've had couples meet on here and then get married, and I've seen people turned away from God due to attitudes of members.

Are you side-stepping on purpose, or do you have any real examples (in their own words/posts) of someone becoming a Christian to show ? (not getting married - thousands get married after meeting on some internet site,  Christian or not).   I did read one example of two people went looking for someone or someplace in person to be saved after reading information or testimony on this site or another Christian testimony online somewhere.   No names nor verification was available though.

Every forum /site/ I've ever seen or read about or could find had more people turned away from God due to the attitudes of members.  This is the standard in and of the world,  and even occurred in the Bible daily.

 

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Brother Matt, it would appear from all of Jeff's posts in this thread that he does not know the difference between self defense and murder, which are two completely different subjects. He, as well a Bill do not understand that just because they "see" a gun, it is meant to kill people. There are many uses for guns other than killing people. This kind of person would be appalled if you told them that there are people that own guns just to collect and display them.

But we also have Jeff so adamantly focused on medicine and the medical establishment that he can hardly think or talk about anything else. This is all mixed in together in different threads to the point that what he writes makes no sense, not even to himself as per his replies.

I am almost to the point of putting them both on "ignore" and not replying to their posts and feeding their prejudice. 

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5 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Same with a sword. They were made to kill, that is why swords are made for battle. 

And Jesus called Peter to task for using his sword. Nowhere does Christ condone killing others. Indeed, the Bible and Christ teaches pacificism.

Proverbs 25

21  If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat,

and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink,

22  for you will heap burning coals on his head,

and the Lord will reward you.

Christ said to 

love your enemy

turn the other cheek

go the extra mile. 

Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.

Nothing in Jesus Sermon on the Mount gives permission to kill. 

Either put your faith in Christ or in your weapons. You cannot do  both. 

Jesus denied using violence.

John 18:36 ESV / 270 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

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5 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

And Jesus called Peter to task for using his sword. Nowhere does Christ condone killing others. Indeed, the Bible and Christ teaches pacificism.

Your arguing a point that nobody is arguing or disagreeing with. Too funny really. You created an argument, then debate that argument you created. :42_confused:

4 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Jeff, are you seriously almost indicating that the owner of this board may be lying? You almost demand that he provide "evidence" for what he said about people getting saved here

I'm starting to think Bill and Jeff are the same person. lol

@Bouncing Bill For the 1,2454,544,144,654,554,222,445 time please follow the board rules and use KJV.

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Bill, the subject at hand which was advocated by you is that the gun shown is an "assault weapon". You, like many before you, consider anything that looks mean an assault weapon, just by its looks. Others commented that a sword can qualify as an assault weapon. So, true to your colors you once again deflect and try to get the thread going in another direction. Not all guns are made for killing and not all guns kill.

As I said in one of my first replies to you; Assault is an action, not a device.

6 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Your arguing a point that nobody is arguing or disagreeing with. Too funny really. 

I'm starting to think Bill and Jeff are the same person. lol

I don't think they are the same person; but they both have minds that zero in on certain specific things to the exclusion of anything else. I think this is called a "one track mind".

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3 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

I don't think they are the same person; but they both have minds that zero in on certain specific things to the exclusion of anything else. I think this is called a "one track mind".

I guess that is more what I was referring to. Too much alike in I'm right everyone else is wrong mentality.

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2 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Jeff, are you seriously almost indicating that the owner of this board may be lying? You almost demand that he provide "evidence" for what he said about people getting saved here.

You are drawing very close to being shut out of this site.

Why do you think that ?  

Even the Apostles in the KJV Bible said clearly to prove everything even if an Apostle sent by God said it, and something to the effect, at times anyway,  of having two or more witnesses as well.

 It seems direct questions and answers ought to be welcome and practiced in all honesty and integrity and forthrightness in any group of believers.  

I have continually sought for anyone,  any post,  any reference to anyone ever being saved by online sites or resources for over a decade.  

If anyone can present this,  good and well.  Best of course if someone who is a member on any site is able to post it themselves that they were saved (if possible).  If not,  no worries per se.   I will keep looking, watching , and testing as the Bible says to do.

Same if someone want to know how to cure , for instance,  scurvy.    Will they just take an anonymous internet source without verification as proof,  or will they keep seeking validation for the cure ? 

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2 minutes ago, Martyr_4_FutureJoy said:

Even the Apostles in the KJV Bible said clearly to prove everything even if an Apostle sent by God said it, and something to the effect, at times anyway,  of having two or more witnesses as well.

Then why you browsing the forum in "Hidden" mode? 🤣

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If brother Matt knows of people who have been saved here, that is good enough and his saying it is a reply. It would seem that just because a person that was saved does not reply to you, that it just isn't valid. Did you ever stop to think that that or any other saved person may have never even returned to this site?

But for you to indicate that you question the truthfulness of Bro. Matt's reply is simply wrong and un-Christ like.

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2 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Then why you browsing the forum in "Hidden" mode? 🤣

Why not ?   I usually forget visitors and some members cannot see if I am online or not.   When I am finished posting,  I usually log off. 

  Notice I am not quiet. (i.e. while posting regularly,  it is obvious to other posters I am not "Hidden". )

   I have answered questions in a timely manner,  instead of side-stepping them.     

Sometimes members wait until I log off before they will post answers to questions or other topics, but at least they post answers to questions. 

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I'm not hidden.   Seeing if I am on or offline does not change anything that I can see or realize, nor should it for anyone else.

Refusing to answer questions though,  ongoing ?   When Bill did that,  several posters claimed he was constantly side-stepping to avoid the questions.   Does that apply only to Bill , and not to everyone else ?   A double standard so to speak ? 

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(last (just posted)) first.   How many times is it written in Scripture that someone, anyone, who causes (by their own actions or disobedience) a brother or a sister weak in faith to stumble in their faith a serious sin --- so much so as this in KJV >>  

from KJV Biblegateway

"The Greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven

18 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.

Causing to Stumble

6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!"

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34 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Your arguing a point that nobody is arguing or disagreeing with. Too funny really. You created an argument, then debate that argument you created. 

I'm starting to think Bill and Jeff are the same person. lol

@Bouncing Bill For the 1,2454,544,144,654,554,222,445 time please follow the board rules and use KJV.

Did I ever not use KJV , other than a few times long ago whether I realized it or not ? 

Bill concentrated on the killing physically aspect.  

I was trying to find out if anyone else noted the murder according to Scripture (KJV) aspect,  not physical murder.   i.e. when someone hates another, 

but that was not even the main point going forward - the one we never got to that is quite evident in the picture,  and no one else at all seems or seemed to realize.

"Causing someone weak in faith to stumble"  is the aspect I was addressing.

If someone put a picture of a thousand gold coins spilt all over a street  and said come get them ,  after a vault truck overturned,  would that not be a stumbling block to someone who wanted the gold ? 

Another poster, long term summed it up I think very well in the following post/ quote: 

 

On 8/30/2018 at 2:31 PM, Brother Stafford said:

You missed my point.  I was using an extreme example to illustrate that every church believes in a certain minimum of appropriate attire that is expected to be allowed entrance into their services.

The problem is that the world keeps changing what it believes to be appropriate attire.  There are things that I have seen women wear to church that even prostitutes would not have worn an hundred years ago; one of the reasons being that they would have been arrested.  The world's acceptable standards get lower and more inappropriate every year.

...Yet.

 

 

QUOTE CONTINUED: "Not long ago, there was a time where no woman would have even considered being seen in public in yoga pants (essentially, slightly more modest pantyhose), but they are 100% comfortable with it today.  When my mother was a young woman, her brothers chased her into the backyard shed for wearing pants and would not let her come out until she agreed to put her dress back on.  There is a photograph of my grandmother lifting the front of her dress, just barely above her knees in order to expose her knees, that she always covered with her hand while we looked through her photo albums when I was a boy. 

Letting the world set the standards for when we draw the line in our churches is a dangerous thing because of the ever lowering of standards of decency.   Again, since many people no longer know what is appropriate to wear in to a church, they need to be taught.  As I said above, we are to be understanding, to a certain degree, with new converts and visitors, but not to the point of allowing unacceptable immodesty.

I also find it interesting that some of the strongest push-back I receive on this issue is from female church members.  When I have invited non believers as guests, often they ask my what they should wear, but if they don't ask, I will just tell them that the men usually wear suits and the women wear loose fitting, high neckline dresses that come below the knees when seated.  I have never had any of my guests balk or complain at all.  They always seem to understand and respect it.

Also, requiring a certain standard is also to make sure that the guests are not uncomfortable.  As a man, I would feel incredibly uncomfortable being the only one in a t-shirt and jeans.  I know that women feel equally uncomfortable when they are the only one under dressed.  I attended a Baptist friend's wedding years before I was saved.  My girlfriend, at the time, was going to meet me there.  Being raised Catholic, I thought I should wear a suit, but she showed up wearing a tight black dress that came to her mid thigh and high heels.  I don't know if I have ever seen another woman blush as much as she did.  She was so uncomfortable that she asked me if she could wear my suit coat and she asked me if we could leave the second the ceremony was over.  Had my friend taken a moment to make sure we were on the same page, or had I made sure she knew how to dress for a church, we could have saved my girlfriend a tremendous amount of humiliation.

I have heard a handful of stories, mostly from women, that tell of a visiting female guest being spoken to about her attire and that that guest never returned.  I have heard the same scenario illustrated, time and time again, that if we hold to such standards, then visitors will be so offended that they shall return again no more.  I have never witnessed it happening, but even if a visitor, who was dressed too immodestly for church, got so offended by a kind and loving explanation of the dress requirements that they never returned, I have no problem with that.  If they are put off by such a reasonable request, they probably were not in the frame of mind to get much out of the service anyway. 

We are not to lower our standards for unbelievers.  Many IFB churches have adopted worldly CCM music for their services to appeal to more people.  Some have even started being okay with bible versions, other than the KJV being used by members. Churches in almost every denomination have full scale coffee shops and there are even some that have actual Starbucks in them.  Standards slip a little bit at a time and never stop falling unless intentional action is taken to stop it and/or reverse it.  We are not to lower our standards to accommodate the world."

 

Another group likewise pointed this out

Well,  if I can find it again,  I may post it.  I had a short observation from  followers of God who consider such blatant immodesty a sin for any believer,  and directly disobedient of God's Instructions, 

and a cause of sin in observers with weak faith or barely able to stay moral.

 

3 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Also, I can care less if you are in hidden mode or not. I just found it ironic for someone who says they are more upfront thank others to be walking around here in "Hidden" mode. Whatcha hidden? 

There appears to be nothing hidden in my posting and answering questions.   If something is hidden from you,  that is God's Doing,  not my status.

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