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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

Should We Obey The Government If They Make The Vaccines Mandatory?

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9 minutes ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

It is the responsibility of all who abide in Christ Jesus NOT to go along with the deception and the evil doers in darkness,  but rather to OPENLY EXPOSE IT for the fraud it is.  Yes, definitely,  tell everyone NOT to get the toxic shot.  If you don't know why, find out.

Now, this is somewhat of an intelligible statement. And, I can agree with it. Those of us who oppose getting the vaccine ARE openly exposing it. It makes us very unpopular, but most people who stand up for themselves ARE unpopular.

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7 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I believe in protecting others, BB, but not at the expense of my own health, nor that of my wife. And, yes, it certainly DOES matter. The principle is NOWHERE near the same because of the high number of recoveries vs. deaths. Don't try to push your ideology on me, because it won't bode well for you, sir.  It certainly WOULD BE a Nazi takeover, as Hitler used the same false ideology you are espousing her on these forums. I can't believe that you are so old and blind that you'd be the deceived.

No, the principle is the same. I understand. You and I are Americans. We place great importance on individual rights. But sometimes the good of the majority must take precedence over the individual. You are much less likely to have you health harmed from the vaccination than in catching COVID.

Regardless, the madidates are coming. It is simply a matter of time. 

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccine-mandates-support-health-workers-4055b559-6d32-4824-a2a0-976e483c8d6a.html 

State governments, private businesses and even part of the federal government are suddenly embracing mandatory coronavirus vaccinations for their employees. 

I find it hard to believe that you simply do not care about others enough to get vaccinated. It is safe.

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14 minutes ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

That's just like ol' slewfoot -  give everyone the mark of the beast to protect everyone.... yep.  

 

Blindness of the world under slewfoot - a kind of dementia most places. 

Please, Jeff...prove this IS the mark of the beast...I'm not so sure that it is. I believe it could be a dry run for the mark.

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3 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

I've heard a LOT of different takes on this, not just from saved, but the unsaved as well. The Bible tells us in Titus 3:1

 

1Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, 

then in

Romans 13:1- Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Some are saying that we, as Christians should put aside our fear or dislike of the vaccines and get vaccinated for the sake of the other members of society, that our stance against the vaccines is a hindrance to our witness to the people of this world. I can see their point, but I also see the point of sticking with our principles as long as they aren't violating major Scriptural doctrines. 

Ephesians 6:12 has been my answer of late:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Your input?

To me, yes, it puts a huge hindrance to your witness for Christ as it shows you do not really care about others. 

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4 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

We know that they are deceivers, as are many of the doctors, and government leaders. These points have already been made time and time again. Not just by me, but by others in the thread.

Then,   it ought to be understood that posting and promoting those deceivers ,  or talking with the deceivers,  is not something for believers to do,  but rather to expose, as the Bible says clearly.

Simple message.  Repeat each and any time the deceivers message is presented, instead of allowing it to be promoted as if it was true.

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2 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

No, the principle is the same. I understand. You and I are Americans. We place great importance on individual rights. But sometimes the good of the majority must take precedence over the individual. You are much less likely to have you health harmed from the vaccination than in catching COVID.

Regardless, the madidates are coming. It is simply a matter of time. 

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccine-mandates-support-health-workers-4055b559-6d32-4824-a2a0-976e483c8d6a.html 

State governments, private businesses and even part of the federal government are suddenly embracing mandatory coronavirus vaccinations for their employees. 

I find it hard to believe that you simply do not care about others enough to get vaccinated. It is safe.

As I've stated many times, and at least once in this thread, my wife and I both have underlying health conditions that would prohibit us from getting vaccinated. That said, even if we COULD get the I we would decline just because of the high recovery rate involved, which again you have intentionally overlooked. For me it's not a matter of caring...If you feel you NEED the vaccine, which apparently you did, and have probably already been vaccinated...I would tell you to get th vaccine. If it's so safe, why are so many people having horrendous side affects? Hmmmm??? I know they keep testing my neice for blood clots, and they've been testing my father for them as well. He should never have had the vaccine, having had two major heart attacks and three strokes. It's just not feasible.

3 minutes ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

Then,   it ought to be understood that posting and promoting those deceivers ,  or talking with the deceivers,  is not something for believers to do,  but rather to expose, as the Bible says clearly.

Simple message.  Repeat each and any time the deceivers message is presented, instead of allowing it to be promoted as if it was true.

Then the only person you need to be posting your inane statements on, and you know which ones I'm speaking of...is Bouncing Bill. He's pretty much the only government apologist here. LOL

8 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

To me, yes, it puts a huge hindrance to your witness for Christ as it shows you do not really care about others. 

Again, apparently you cannot read. You keep attributing "not caring for others" to me, you're going to have a problem you don't want.

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48 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:
1 hour ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

That's just like ol' slewfoot -  give everyone the mark of the beast to protect everyone.... yep.  

 

Blindness of the world under slewfoot - a kind of dementia most places. 

Please, Jeff...prove this IS the mark of the beast...I'm not so sure that it is. I believe it could be a dry run for the mark.

Not required.   You and others have already and for a long time realized it is of the 'beast' system.  Ol' slewfoot continues to say to people worldwide - go ahead,  give/get/ the mark don't worry about this (many pastors have been saying this for over a decade!) it is to protect everyone.   A bold lie just like in the Garden to Eve and to Adam.    Decades ago,  reading the Word of God, the Bible,  it was clear that the mark of the beast, and the pharmacy,  would deceive everyone - the whole world,  all society,  except the remnant by God's Grace.  Realizing the whole world was or would be deceived,  it was obvious it would not go one day people not deceived to over night all of a sudden everyone is deceived,  no.   It was insidious,  wide spread,  and growing ,  all along.  The deception has been for generations until now as written in The Apocalypse pervasive not just throughout society,  but by society all along (society is not Godly) ,  and it has seemed since 1995 that fewer and fewer people or churches know or care about the truth or trust Jesus.

Is this shot the mark ?  Who knows?   Could it be ?   Could it be a requirement to be able to buy or sell,  etc ?   Yes.  That's the direction many governments and banks and medical and stores have gone toward.   So could it be the mark  ?   Yes,.  Does it have to be?  No. 

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Better not. (if it is the mark)  Whoever receives the mark will never enter the Kingdom of heaven, according to all Scripture.    They indicate trusting man/ government instead of trusting God and Jesus and God's Word ,   by receiving the mark.   According to Scripture only,  no one who receives the mark will be able to repent , ever,  to be saved.  It is too late for whoever receives the mark - they are condemned already because of unbelief.

  

9 minutes ago, SureWord said:

I'm resisting as long as I can but if they threaten me physically or with a detainment camp I probably will take the pre-Mark.

 

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The government really cannot make the vaccines mandatory. Private businesses can, some do, but many won't, because to do so sets them up to be sued, should an employee die after their mandatory shot. 

Now, I work for the federal government, and there are rumblings that they will make them mandatory for federal employees, and if you refuse, that's fine, you just lose your job. I need to consider this carefully, as I am just a few years from retirement, and could literally lose everything I have worked for the last 30 years.

Let me say, I am not afraid of the shot, any more than I am afraid of the virus. I have chosen not to take it on principle, but I could as easily take it. With my wife passed on now, without benefit of getting Covid, I don't need to take her well-being into consideration, should I react badly to it-If I die, I go to heaven to join her, so no big loss. More likely I would spend a few days taking large doses of Vitamin C, D and Zinc before taking the shot, so my body is prepared.

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I'm...I hope ya'll realize I was being facetious by saying it was a "pre-Mark".

1 minute ago, Ukulelemike said:

The government really cannot make the vaccines mandatory. Private businesses can, some do, but many won't, because to do so sets them up to be sued, should an employee die after their mandatory shot. 

Now, I work for the federal government, and there are rumblings that they will make them mandatory for federal employees, and if you refuse, that's fine, you just lose your job. I need to consider this carefully, as I am just a few years from retirement, and could literally lose everything I have worked for the last 30 years.

Let me say, I am not afraid of the shot, any more than I am afraid of the virus. I have chosen not to take it on principle, but I could as easily take it. With my wife passed on now, without benefit of getting Covid, I don't need to take her well-being into consideration, should I react badly to it-If I die, I go to heaven to join her, so no big loss. More likely I would spend a few days taking large doses of Vitamin C, D and Zinc before taking the shot, so my body is prepared.

Don't forget Quercetin or another flavonol which helps the body absorb the zinc. 

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6 hours ago, Salyan said:

Okay, very off topic! No mark discussions... back to the OP!

The question was much easier with the focus on COVID, because the larger vaccination question is so much more complicated.

I can tell you for sure that you will never see me post anything on here attempting to identify the "mark" like Hal Lindsey and Van Impe.(That comment isn't a jab at you SureWord...I'm talking about people who play "pin the tail" on the antichrist and the mark and are always wrong)

I suppose  my answer would be similar as my view of the covid vaccine - that you could make a case either way on which position to take. 

I personally would fall somewhere in middle. As a father I know how many vaccines my kids have had to have to just attend school and for the most part I see them as a positive thing. On the other hand if mysterious viruses continue to seemingly come out of nowhere and I continue to see ads on TV and YouTube practically begging the unvaccinated to join the others like a marketing scheme I will become suspicious and hesitant to just do what "most" people are doing.

The issue for me is a very grey area and my reaction to the government forcing vaccines on the public would vary depending on the situation and what it's for. I would do what I felt was right and biblical over a man made government any day.

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6 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

The government really cannot make the vaccines mandatory. Private businesses can, some do, but many won't, because to do so sets them up to be sued, should an employee die after their mandatory shot. 

Now, I work for the federal government, and there are rumblings that they will make them mandatory for federal employees, and if you refuse, that's fine, you just lose your job. I need to consider this carefully, as I am just a few years from retirement, and could literally lose everything I have worked for the last 30 years.

Let me say, I am not afraid of the shot, any more than I am afraid of the virus. I have chosen not to take it on principle, but I could as easily take it. With my wife passed on now, without benefit of getting Covid, I don't need to take her well-being into consideration, should I react badly to it-If I die, I go to heaven to join her, so no big loss. More likely I would spend a few days taking large doses of Vitamin C, D and Zinc before taking the shot, so my body is prepared.

Thankfully my wife and I have been on that regimine since the beginning of this "crisis." It was something we had learned back in the 1990s when we were associates with Herbalife. We've had SOME herbal medicine training, and Herblife, at that time, seemed to be a very good company to be an associate with. With our underlying health conditions, we have been told NOT to take the vaccination. They will give it to us if we want, but my ENT specialist didn't recommend it in my case. My primary care doctor and my wife's primary care doctor (both in the same practice) both told us that it was pretty much up to us, but unless it was MANDATORY they wouldn't recommend it. 

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Anyone remember MANDATORY (by governments)  vaccines for the helpless little ones who can't refuse ?    The very ones who suffer the most from those government requirements.

There's always been legal exemptions so far,  wherever I've lived,  and even in the military.

Will they make legal exemptions available for going in a store to shop for groceries, clothes or household items or business supplies or furniture ?   (when the store requires proof of toxic vaccination just to enter the store)

 

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1 hour ago, swathdiver said:

There's no need for anyone to take the gene therapies for a virus with a 99% survival rate.  This whole charade defies common sense.

"Should We Obey The Government If They Make The Vaccines Mandatory?"

Never let them inject anything if you're not in an extreme situation and with no other choice you know of.

If they offer jail time OR get vaccinated,   I would choose jail time.  I think.  That's what I did in the past after I found out about what is in the shots.   I refused them.  Before I knew what was in the shots,  like when I was 2 years old,  I wasn't old enough to refuse them,  and I knew enough by conscience , by spirit,  by intuition,  but not enough so-called 'knowledge' (what men falsely call knowledge) to tell them NO! No Shots!   Some kids tell them that,  but usually do not have it in their power to stop them.  They are forced to get the shots. (basically any since they started, more and more each decade).

The harm done to everyone is insurmountable.    Not by the shots alone,  but by the enemy system ruling.  It is indeed and in truth all deception - all "This whole charade defies common sense" -

but for time since college at least,  we have fairly often heard the lament:  who has any common sense?

The world / society does not.  The government does not.  The pharmacy does not (so evil are they).

Most sad of all,  most so-called religions including churches do not.   They ignore God instead of seeking Him.

Those who seek God and keep seeking Him learn from Him,  regain "common sense" that is not common.    Learn from God what is right and true and healthy and life giving.

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