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1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Can an organization exist without its members showing kindness? 

I believe they can. The ACLU is a great example of this. They say the represent the civil liberties of all individuals, but they are very hostile to Christians and refuse to defend them. Civil liberties include religious liberties. They try to make it about "separation of church and state," saying that it's part of the protections in the Constitution of the United States, which, of course, it is not.. It was from a letter that was written by Thomas Jefferson to another individual. There are other such organizations. The KKK is a great example...also militias, NAACP, and any organization that excludes people on the basis of their religion, ethnicity, or other criteria that they feel they can use to exclude. I wish it wasn't that way, but the fact of the matter is, it is.  

Let me add, there are some "Baptist" churches that exist that are this way...one being the one that pickets funerals of gay people to protest, divide and terrorize. I won't mention the church, but I'm sure most people are aware of which one of whom I speak.

 

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44 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I believe they can. The ACLU is a great example of this. They say the represent the civil liberties of all individuals, but they are very hostile to Christians and refuse to defend them. Civil liberties include religious liberties. They try to make it about "separation of church and state," saying that it's part of the protections in the Constitution of the United States, which, of course, it is not.. It was from a letter that was written by Thomas Jefferson to another individual. There are other such organizations. The KKK is a great example...also militias, NAACP, and any organization that excludes people on the basis of their religion, ethnicity, or other criteria that they feel they can use to exclude. I wish it wasn't that way, but the fact of the matter is, it is.  

Let me add, there are some "Baptist" churches that exist that are this way...one being the one that pickets funerals of gay people to protest, divide and terrorize. I won't mention the church, but I'm sure most people are aware of which one of whom I speak.

 

To a degree I agree with you analysis of those groups. There are more gray areas concerning the ACLU than the other groups. But, the question was more narrow. Are the members of those organizations kind to each other? I  expect they are as long as members toe the party line. 

Actually the ACLU has defended Christians. 

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-defends-christian-who-distributed-religious-pamphlets-outside-arena

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression

Christianity Today ran an interesting article on the ACLU, https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/may/22.64.html

Do a google search on ACLU defends Christians

There are areas where I have agreed with the ACLU stance. There are areas when I have not agreed with their stance.

I can see nothing positive concerning the KKK, the Westboro Baptist Church, any of the White Supremacist's groups, the Nazis or Neo-Nazis, to name a few groups. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

To a degree I agree with you analysis of those groups. There are more gray areas concerning the ACLU than the other groups. But, the question was more narrow. Are the members of those organizations kind to each other? I  expect they are as long as members toe the party line. 

Actually the ACLU has defended Christians. 

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-defends-christian-who-distributed-religious-pamphlets-outside-arena

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression

Christianity Today ran an interesting article on the ACLU, https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/may/22.64.html

Do a google search on ACLU defends Christians

There are areas where I have agreed with the ACLU stance. There are areas when I have not agreed with their stance.

I can see nothing positive concerning the KKK, the Westboro Baptist Church, any of the White Supremacist's groups, the Nazis or Neo-Nazis, to name a few groups. 

 

The point wasn't about "White Supremecy." I mentioned the NAACP as well, but that was overlooked. I do realize that the ACLU has represented SOME Christians, but they are few and far between. They represent more actions AGAINST Christianity than for it. I have friends and relatives who are members of the ACLU. As far as "Christianity Today," they are more of a liberal rag to me. I don't really read them often, though I used to when I was growing up 40 to 50 years ago. 

4 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Yes, there are a lot of organizations that exists that don't show kindness...BLM for one

Antifa would be another, along with the Democratic Party.

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16 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Yes, there are a lot of organizations that exists that don't show kindness...BLM for one

Do you really believe they show no kindness to their own members?

14 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

The point wasn't about "White Supremecy." I mentioned the NAACP as well, but that was overlooked. I do realize that the ACLU has represented SOME Christians, but they are few and far between. They represent more actions AGAINST Christianity than for it. I have friends and relatives who are members of the ACLU. As far as "Christianity Today," they are more of a liberal rag to me. I don't really read them often, though I used to when I was growing up 40 to 50 years ago. 

Antifa would be another, along with the Democratic Party.

I have friends who are very kind who are members of the NAACP. 

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3 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Do you really believe they show no kindness to their own members?

I have friends who are very kind who are members of the NAACP. 

That's not a reflection of the organization as a whole. You asked the question, and you got answered. Now you're trying to change the parameters of the question to include just individuals. Make up your mind, BB. I know members of several of the organizations mentioned, and they're kind too, but it doesn't reflect the attitude of the organizations involved. UGH!

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Are they "kind" to their own members ?     Is any group "kind" that leads their members to destruction ?   Is any false church "kind" that causes the destruction of body and soul ?    But still,  to "keep", or to get more members,  they appear as angels of light.   They appear helpful.    They pretend to be right.  Just like doctors that use known harmful agents in place of known helpful nutrition.  Is that "kind" ?

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16 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

You asked a very general question and I answered it generally. 

Notice in the OP I included the word, 'members.' That makes it much less general. 

Interestingly, at least to me, Darwin said, “Sympathy will have been increased through natural selection,” for those communities which include the greatest number of the most sympathetic members, would flourish best, and rear the greatest number of offspring.”

Please don't go off on a rant about Darwin and derail the thread. Thanks. 

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10 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Notice in the OP I included the word, 'members.' That makes it much less general. 

Interestingly, at least to me, Darwin said, “Sympathy will have been increased through natural selection,” for those communities which include the greatest number of the most sympathetic members, would flourish best, and rear the greatest number of offspring.”

Please don't go off on a rant about Darwin and derail the thread. Thanks. 

Your specific question didn't lead in the direction of "members." It led more into the area of the organization as a whole. It didn't specify whether the kindness was directed one member towards another, or the kindness was directed to other people who interacted with the group as a whole. You're going to have to start being MORE SPECIFIC about what you want BB. People can't read your mind. We'd like to be able to interact with you in a civil manner, but it's hard when you post generally and not specifically, and then you yourself go off in all different directions. YOU are the one who brought Darwin into this conversation, so if anyone were to reply with a Darwinian quote or direction, you would be responsible for introducing the subject in to your own thread. 

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14 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Your specific question didn't lead in the direction of "members." It led more into the area of the organization as a whole. It didn't specify whether the kindness was directed one member towards another, or the kindness was directed to other people who interacted with the group as a whole. You're going to have to start being MORE SPECIFIC about what you want BB. People can't read your mind. We'd like to be able to interact with you in a civil manner, but it's hard when you post generally and not specifically, and then you yourself go off in all different directions. YOU are the one who brought Darwin into this conversation, so if anyone were to reply with a Darwinian quote or direction, you would be responsible for introducing the subject in to your own thread. 

I thought the use of the word members restricted it. It was not a general statement.  I do not agree with your interpretation.  I think I have been very civil. I am not responsible for others misinterpretations. 

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39 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Notice in the OP I included the word, 'members.' That makes it much less general. 

Interestingly, at least to me, Darwin said, “Sympathy will have been increased through natural selection,” for those communities which include the greatest number of the most sympathetic members, would flourish best, and rear the greatest number of offspring.”

Please don't go off on a rant about Darwin and derail the thread. Thanks. 

A rant ?    To note Darwin was wrong ,  just as all the media hype about cvd was wrong?   Thus,  who someone quotes, who someone thinks is interesting,  is the one who leads them on the road to destruction, when it is wrong.  God warns against trusting Darwin,  Doctors, Specialists, Government Strenth, and so on.  To disobey God's Warning brings great peril,  often eternally. ("often" because more of people perish than receive eternal life)

Is it kind to follow Darwin, doctors, governments, cults , to destruction ,  or to not follow them,  yet stay quiet that they are doomed ?  Does not God Say to warn them?

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41 minutes ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

A rant ?    To note Darwin was wrong ,  just as all the media hype about cvd was wrong?   Thus,  who someone quotes, who someone thinks is interesting,  is the one who leads them on the road to destruction, when it is wrong.  God warns against trusting Darwin,  Doctors, Specialists, Government Strenth, and so on.  To disobey God's Warning brings great peril,  often eternally. ("often" because more of people perish than receive eternal life)

Is it kind to follow Darwin, doctors, governments, cults , to destruction ,  or to not follow them,  yet stay quiet that they are doomed ?  Does not God Say to warn them?

I am curious, do go to see a doctor if you are ill?

Do you take prescription medications or over-the-counter medications? Vitamins? Minerals?

 

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1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I am curious, do go to see a doctor if you are ill?

Do you take prescription medications or over-the-counter medications? Vitamins? Minerals?

 

BB, you're taking your own thread off-course. That's not a good thing. Can we get back on the discussion about kindness, please?

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The issue is not about kindness itself but kindness towards your enemies.

Antifa might at times show kindness mostly to their own if they tow the line but their structure and philosophy is built on destruction i.e. postmodern deconstructionism or de-structuralism.  Which is a fancy way of saying they want to tear down everything not to rebuild a utopian dream but rather stay in a constant, unstable state of Revolution. They are Anarcho-Communists. I wouldn't say that is very kind.

BLM just wants money and power in the way things are structured now.

Yes, organizations can exist without kindness if they have the "biggest guns". Antifa are useful idiots to be used mostly by Democrats to usurp and stay in power therefore Antifa will continue to have the support of Democrats and their global masters.

Also, you can kill people with kindness. Mercy killers do it all the time.

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5 hours ago, SureWord said:

The issue is not about kindness itself but kindness towards your enemies.

Antifa might at times show kindness mostly to their own if they tow the line but their structure and philosophy is built on destruction i.e. postmodern deconstructionism or de-structuralism.  Which is a fancy way of saying they want to tear down everything not to rebuild a utopian dream but rather stay in a constant, unstable state of Revolution. They are Anarcho-Communists. I wouldn't say that is very kind.

BLM just wants money and power in the way things are structured now.

Yes, organizations can exist without kindness if they have the "biggest guns". Antifa are useful idiots to be used mostly by Democrats to usurp and stay in power therefore Antifa will continue to have the support of Democrats and their global masters.

Also, you can kill people with kindness. Mercy killers do it all the time.

Good points. I've always found the Biblical commandment to love your enemies very hard to do. We live in a world where if you disagree with someone then there is no more love towards you. BLM, Antifa, President Biden, etc.

 Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”

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2 hours ago, PastorMatt said:

Good points. I've always found the Biblical commandment to love your enemies very hard to do. We live in a world where if you disagree with someone then there is no more love towards you. BLM, Antifa, President Biden, etc.

 Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”

Don't forget the unforgiving Trump always insulting others and friends he becomes upset with. I'd much rather cross Biden than Trump.

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Yes, many organizations exist where the members do not show kindness one toward another or the general public. Often, in order to keep their jobs, kindness is faked towards each other and the general public, it's a display and (almost) everyone knows it. Other times kindness is nonexistent most of the time. Examples include Walmart, any fast food chain, various airlines, social media (facebook, twitter, etc), sports teams, the list could go on. Even some organizations you think would be based on kindness are some of the worst/hateful: PeTA, ASPCA, my local animal shelter before it was shut down and rebranded, etc. 

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