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Psalm 23:2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:.........

From my observations, sheep prefer to lie down in the dirt. Where all they have is grass, they scratch out a bed. When they rise, they immediately defecate and urinate in their bed go about their day and the next night go back to the holes and lie down again. The feces carries the eggs of whatever parasites the sheep may have, which then hatch, climb the blades of grass and are reingested to complete their life cycle. The parasites feed on the sheeps blood and nutrients and make them sick.  The more they eat this, the more their health is compromised. So I can see how a large flock of sheep could foul up an good pasture in a hurry. 

I don't know much about Biblical shepherds but I'm thinking that, in a semi-arid land such as the land of Israel, a "green pasture" would be too precious a commodity for a shepherd to waste by letting the sheep bed down in one. So I'm thinking that Biblical shepherds, wise ones, would lead the flock to a barren area to lie down so as not to ruin the good, clean grass. Even though we are inclined to lie down in the "dirt" as well, God has enough good pasture, that his children don't need to lie in the filth of the World. He leads us to a green pasture. Open for discussion. 🙂

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Word: יַרְבִּיצֵ
Speech: Verb
Stem: Hiphil
Type: Imperfect (yiqtol)
Person: 3rd Person
Gender: Masculine
Number: Singular
Long: Hebrew Verb: Hiphil Imperfect (yiqtol) 3rd Person Masculine Singular

 Unfortunately, I am not a Hebrew or Greek scholar but it appears that the Hebrew word "rabas" covers the whole phrase "He maketh me to lie down" so I can't determine if "maketh" here refers to "forces" me to lie down" or "produces me to lie down". I do know that an actual sheep cannot be forced to lie down. They have to...#1 want to lie down. #2 Feel safe/secure enough to lie down.

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3 hours ago, heartstrings said:
Word: יַרְבִּיצֵ
Speech: Verb
Stem: Hiphil
Type: Imperfect (yiqtol)
Person: 3rd Person
Gender: Masculine
Number: Singular
Long: Hebrew Verb: Hiphil Imperfect (yiqtol) 3rd Person Masculine Singular

 Unfortunately, I am not a Hebrew or Greek scholar but it appears that the Hebrew word "rabas" covers the whole phrase "He maketh me to lie down" so I can't determine if "maketh" here refers to "forces" me to lie down" or "produces me to lie down". I do know that an actual sheep cannot be forced to lie down. They have to...#1 want to lie down. #2 Feel safe/secure enough to lie down.

How 'bout "greatly influence" to lie down?

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3 hours ago, heartstrings said:

Well I guess you could feed them til their bellies are full. That would work. Or give them a shot of tranquilizer.

 

Lol ...the Lord can get his sheep to listen without giving them a tranquilizer but the imagery is funny 

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https://bestfarmanimals.com/what-is-the-best-animal-to-control-grass/

 

excerpt, fwiw:

"Sheep do such a good job of keeping the lawn trimmed that one Pennsylvania school district saved $15,000 a year on lawn maintenance by employing a herd of sheep to keep the grass trimmed! Other schools in Ohio have turned to a combination of sheep and goats to keep their grounds trim. "

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On 5/26/2021 at 11:53 AM, heartstrings said:
Word: יַרְבִּיצֵ
Speech: Verb
Stem: Hiphil
Type: Imperfect (yiqtol)
Person: 3rd Person
Gender: Masculine
Number: Singular
Long: Hebrew Verb: Hiphil Imperfect (yiqtol) 3rd Person Masculine Singular

 Unfortunately, I am not a Hebrew or Greek scholar but it appears that the Hebrew word "rabas" covers the whole phrase "He maketh me to lie down" so I can't determine if "maketh" here refers to "forces" me to lie down" or "produces me to lie down". I do know that an actual sheep cannot be forced to lie down. They have to...#1 want to lie down. #2 Feel safe/secure enough to lie down.

In order to get a more full picture of that which is presented in Psalm 23:2a, you will need to consider the Hebrew for the prepositional phrase "in green pastures."

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3 hours ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

In order to get a more full picture of that which is presented in Psalm 23:2a, you will need to consider the Hebrew for the prepositional phrase "in green pastures."

Could you expound on that for me?

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On 6/2/2021 at 10:17 AM, Pastor Scott Markle said:

In order to get a more full picture of that which is presented in Psalm 23:2a, you will need to consider the Hebrew for the prepositional phrase "in green pastures."

On 6/2/2021 at 1:55 PM, heartstrings said:

Could you expound on that for me?

First, I am not saying that this consideration of the prepositional phrase will answer your question fully; however, I am saying that it will provide a more full picture of the statement in Psalm 23:2a.

Second, to consider the Hebrew for the prepositional phrase "in green pastures" -- The Hebrew for the preposition "in" simply indicates any nuance of "in," including "in, within, in the midst of, at, etc."  The Hebrew for the noun "pastures" is connected to the Hebrew verb meaning "to sit, to dwell," and carries the meaning of "a sitting place, a dwelling place, a habitation, a pasturage wherein flocks lie down, dwell, and rest."  This Hebrew noun is employed for "the habitations of the wilderness" in a number of Old Testament passages, such as Psalm 65:12, Jeremiah 9:10, Jeremiah 23:10 ("pleasant places of the wilderness"), Jeremiah 25:37 ("peaceable habitations"), Joel 1:19 & 20 ("pastures of the wilderness"), Joel 2:22 ("pastures of the wilderness"), Amos 1:2 ("habitations of the shepherds").  Finally, the Hebrew for the adjective "green" is connected to the Hebrew verb meaning "to sprout, to be green," and carries the meaning of "first sprouts of the earth, tender grass, tender herb (as that which clothes the meadows, as that food which beasts prefer)."  It is specifically different than "grass ripe for mowing" and than "the more mature herbage, when already in seed."

Thus the full picture of Psalm 23:2a is intended to convey peacefulness, restfulness, sweetness (preferred food), fullness, etc.  Although I am not a shepherd, so I lack some practical experience in this matter, I would guess that practically a shepherd would motivate his sheep to "lie down" at such a "habitation of the wilderness" within a portion that would not specifically ruin the whole, likely after the sheep had "filled up" on sweet, green grass.  On the other hand, you are the shepherd who would know a bit better than I would on this "practical" matter.  (Also, a practical question - Is it possible to teach/motivate sheep to defecate in a different location than where they lie down, especially if the flock is regularly on the move from pasturage to pasturage?)

 

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