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On 5/10/2021 at 9:50 AM, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Brother 1Timothy115,

I believe that contextually Luke 21:11 is a summary statement that looks forward to the statement of Luke 21:25.  Furthermore, I believe that contextually the phrase, "But BEFORE all these things," with which Luke 21:12 begins, places all that is reported in verses 12-24 as a contextual break between the report of Luke 21:11 and Luke 21:25.  As such, I would hold that Luke 21:12-24 reveals the events that will occur throughout "the times of Gentiles" (the time of the church age) as per verse 24; and I would hold that the report of Luke 21:11 & 25 (in union with one another) reveals events that will occur during the time of the Tribulation Period.

Since I hold that Luke 21:11 is a summary statement that looks forward to the statements of Luke 21:25-26, and thus should be viewed in union with Luke 21:25-26 (as per my reasoning above), I would further hold that Luke 21:11, 25-26 are to be viewed in parallel with Matthew 24:29 & Mark 13:24-25.  Now, contextually Matthew 24:29 & Mark 13:24-25 seem to place these events AFTER the "great tribulation" (as per Matthew 24:15-28 & Mark 13:14-23) which is initiated by "the abomination of desolation" (as per Matthew 24:15 & Mark 13:14).  Furthermore, I would hold that "the abomination of desolation" is to be defined as that future event wherein the antichrist will sit "in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (as per 2 Thessalonians 2:4 & Revelation 13:1-18), which event seems to initiate the second half of the Tribulation Period (as per Revelation 12-13).  Thus I would hold that the events of Luke 21:11, 25-26, Matthew 24:15, and Mark 13:24-25 are to be viewed in parallel with the seven vial judgments of Revelation 16:1-21 (especially the fourth, fifth, and seventh).

(Note: Although I acknowledge that the Book of Revelation contains a number of allegorical elements, I would view the prophecies therein to be a bit more "linear" than Brother Mike seems to hold.)

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As far as linear events go, yes, some passages refer back to earlier events and then bring us to the present (such as the initial verses of chapter 12) - but Revelation 1:19-20 and 4:1 clearly indicate that the rest of the book of Revelation takes places after the events of chapters 1-3 (which is the church age).

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On 5/12/2021 at 11:49 AM, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

No one posted any Scripture of God's "Promise" to destroy Nineveh.  

His Word is always True - there is no one God can swear by , no oath God can take on anything to make His Word more certain, is there ? 

Did God get persuaded "due to their repentance" ?  If so,  why ?   Esau, though he repented with tears, could not persuade God, right ?  Or the betrayer, Judas ?

God spared Nineveh because He wanted to .

When God sends a prophet do declare judgment against a city, that is a promise. Jonah, at God's commands, declared "Yet 40 days and Nineveh shall be overthrown" That is the prophet preaching to Nineveh the preaching that God bid him preach. That is a promise. However, God's will is that the wicked not perish, but that they repent. Nineveh repented, and they were spared, though God's judgment did eventually fall on them a century later. 

"And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee. So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey. And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. "

Notice, they didn't believe Jonah, the believed GOD. God spared them because He is gracious and merciful and doesn't wish the wicked to die, but to repent. 

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Believe God:   i.e. make no promise, don't swear.

 

Matthew 5:36-37
 
King James Version

36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

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And... the Random Comment of the Day Award goes to Jeff!

Also, don’t swear (ie. make an oath) is not the same thing as don’t make a promise. God is all for promises - but only He has the authority to make an oath by Himself; therefore, He is against men making oaths to affirm their word.

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On 5/12/2021 at 2:49 PM, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

No one posted any Scripture of God's "Promise" to destroy Nineveh.  

His Word is always True - there is no one God can swear by , no oath God can take on anything to make His Word more certain, is there ? 

Did God get persuaded "due to their repentance" ?  If so,  why ?   Esau, though he repented with tears, could not persuade God, right ?  Or the betrayer, Judas ?

God spared Nineveh because He wanted to .

God didn't change anything, if that's what you're trying to say. God spared Nineveh because they fell in line with God's eternal direction (His will). If I were to put it in the common vernacular, "my way or the highway."

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." [2 Peter 3:9] "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." [Malachi 3:6]

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