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Bouncing Bill,

In the song that you uploaded you mentioned that the singer was a "Baptist Preacher." But, you gave us no other information. So, we have no knowledge of if the man really is a Baptist preacher or who he is, or the church he pastors. So, we have a complete lack of knowledge of the singer. Can you give us more, concrete, information concerning the singer? We would like to check your source.

Would you mind telling us some of your background? Can you give us some concrete, not vague, information concerning yourself?

For example.

Are you a writer for, or involved in any way, any news media outlets. Such as, as one example, "Baptist News Global?"

https://baptistnews.com/article/you-cannot-follow-jesus-and-endorse-racism-period/#.X_TqM9lS_nC

Do you mind telling us of your church background?

Do you mind telling us if you are a member of any political organization? Or a writer for, any type, internet or print based,  news media organization?

Thank you for letting us know the singers background and your background.

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1 hour ago, Alan said:

Sure World,

I have been a Baptist all my life. 

I was greatly influenced by the Baptist preacher, Carlyle Marney and the Quaker theologian, Elton Trueblood and the German theologian and martyr, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Francis Schaeffer influenced me, but not to the extent of the three mentioned above. I was active in the Yokefellows for years and also in the Church Renewal program.

Books that influenced my theology other than the Bible are:

  1. The Cost of Discipleship by Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
  2. Letters and Papers from Prison by Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
  3. Faith in Conflict by Carlyle Marney.
  4. The Coming Faith by Carlyle Marney.
  5. Beggar in Velvet by Carlyle Marney.
  6. The Taste of New Wine by Keith Miller.
  7. The New Man for Our Time by Elton Trueblood.
  8. The Incendiary Fellowship by Elton Trueblood.
  9. A Place to Stand by Elton Trueblood.
  10. Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence.
  11. The Christian's Secret to a Happy Life by Hannah Whitall Smith.
  12. The Idea of the Laity by David Haney

This is not an exhaustive list, but a representative one. 

I am a retired librarian. I still freelance index medical books. 

I love to travel and God has allowed me to travel and work in a several countries in Asia and Europe that include two seminary libraries. Because of this I have friends all over the world. 

Other than a party affiliation so I can vote in my state I belong to no political or civic group. I have never been associated with any media organization. I did work for years with a research company that conducted a lot of work in communication packet-switching and the development of the Internet.  

I am always reading two to four books at any given time. 

I do keep a journal. About the only other writing I do is for a memoir class I take through the local community college each semester. Everyone has interesting stories to tell.

No, I will tell you nothing about my friend who sang the song. I respect his privacy and do not have his permission to share it with others. I will tell you only this, he served in our church as a member and interim pastor. He is now the pastor of a large church in the Washington, D.C. area. He is the chaplain to the police department where he serves and often rides in a patrol car during night hours. He is a great guy. He has tons of life experience and that makes his an understanding, great pastor.

Sure World, now, tell me about you. OK?

 

 

 

 

Bouncing Bill,

In the song that you uploaded you mentioned that the singer was a "Baptist Preacher." But, you gave us no other information. So, we have no knowledge of if the man really is a Baptist preacher or who he is, or the church he pastors. So, we have a complete lack of knowledge of the singer. Can you give us more, concrete, information concerning the singer? We would like to check your source.

Would you mind telling us some of your background? Can you give us some concrete, not vague, information concerning yourself?

For example.

Are you a writer for, or involved in any way, any news media outlets. Such as, as one example, "Baptist News Global?"

https://baptistnews.com/article/you-cannot-follow-jesus-and-endorse-racism-period/#.X_TqM9lS_nC

Do you mind telling us of your church background?

Do you mind telling us if you are a member of any political organization? Or, any type, internet or print based, of news media organization?

Thank you for letting us know the singers background and your background.

 

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Bill, again, do you condemn the violent and racist attitudes and actions of Antifa and BLM? 

If not then please don't chirp on about the so-called "Proud Boys" who have yet to burn and loot and cost 4 billion dollars worth of damage in the last rounds of riots. 

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I didn't make it past the second line. I'm so tired of people who think they know things they don't. This man, whomever he is, has no idea who the Proud Boys are. Nazis? Traitors? Hogwash. Some people need to stop swallowing all the garbage the MSM spews.

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7 hours ago, SureWord said:

Bill, again, do you condemn the violent and racist attitudes and actions of Antifa and BLM? 

If not then please don't chirp on about the so-called "Proud Boys" who have yet to burn and loot and cost 4 billion dollars worth of damage in the last rounds of riots. 

I condemn violence and racism on both sides. Do you? 

Now, tell me about yourself. I told you about me.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I condemn violence and racism on both sides. Do you? 

Now, tell me about yourself. I told you about me.

 

 

 Bill, to answer your IM

I am Baptist not a white supremacist.

I'm am not a member of any extremist group nor have I ever been. Although, among Antifa and BLM my denial would only prove that I am a racist. Therefore, if I deny I am a racist it proves that I am one and if I say I am a racist, well.... This is modus operandi among commie revolutionaries. 

The only group I am a member of other than the body of Christ is my local KJV IFB Baptist Church.

I was a member of the local rifle club but let my membership lapse because of finances. And before you assume the club is a white "militia" there were two blacks and one Jew who joined the same time I did.

I also was a member of the local gym but stopped going because, well, I'm lazy when it comes to exercise. 

I will leave you with one interesting quote, though from a Harvard educated professor by the name of Noel Ignatiev:

"The goal of abolishing the White race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed White supremacists."

The lovely Mr. Ignatiev, who passed away a few months ago and is undoubtedly burning in hell right now, was suggesting that that the day will come that only "white supremacists" will oppose the genocide of the so-called "White race" as he puts it.

My point is that this obsession with race will turn many white folks who were never racist to begin with into bonafide racists. Especially with crazy quotes like the one above.

 

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Studied at Loyola University? The Jesuit college? And he is a Baptist? Well, Southern Baptist, I suspect. But with a Catholic bent? Can't trust anyone to be a true follower of Christ, much less a preacher, that sides with the party of infanticide on demand.

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On 1/5/2021 at 4:51 PM, Bouncing Bill said:
  1. Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence.
  2. The Christian's Secret to a Happy Life by Hannah Whitall Smith.

Be wary of these books, Bill. Both these authors support so-called Christian mysticism - spiritual formation, as it's called nowadays - which is a dangerous heresy infiltrating our churches!  Brother Lawrence was likely influenced by Teresa of Avila. https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/brotherlawrence.htm

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23 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

Studied at Loyola University? The Jesuit college? And he is a Baptist? Well, Southern Baptist, I suspect. But with a Catholic bent? Can't trust anyone to be a true follower of Christ, much less a preacher, that sides with the party of infanticide on demand.

Northern Baptist. Yes, there is such a denomination. As liberal as the United Methodist.

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1 hour ago, SureWord said:

Northern Baptist. Yes, there is such a denomination. As liberal as the United Methodist.

There are no Northern Baptists. That name went away quite a number of years ago.

I do know his church is quite multi-racial which gives it a rich cultural heritage. 

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32 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

There are no Northern Baptists. That name went away quite a number of years ago.

I do know his church is quite multi-racial which gives it a rich cultural heritage. 

That's funny because there was a Northern Baptist Church in upstate NY where I lived for six years. At least it stated that on their sign.

They may have changed their name but not their doctrines.

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1 minute ago, SureWord said:

That's funny because there was a Northern Baptist Church in upstate NY where I lived for six years.

Strange they had not changed their name. Or was the church north of a city or landmark. There is no Northern Baptist Convention. That has been no NBC since 1982. Do you remember the full name of the church? Do they have a web site?

I am aware of a North Baptist Church near Corning NY. Is that the church you lived near?

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10 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

How about a rich spiritual heritage?

I would think that with a multi-ethnic church you would have to have a rich spiritual heritage. 

Years ago I taught an international Sunday School Class. The richness of the cultures that were present in the class brought rich spiritual thoughts from those different cultures. We had former Muslims, Buddhists, and people who were total non-believers when they started coming to the class. Some came from very hard backgrounds and had suffered greatly in their home countries. 

The Sunday School Class parties were great with an amazing variety of food. I really enjoyed the class members and though they came from vary different cultures they all developed a love for each other and were great together. Maybe that is what heaven will be like. 

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50 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I would think that with a multi-ethnic church you would have to have a rich spiritual heritage. 

Years ago I taught an international Sunday School Class. The richness of the cultures that were present in the class brought rich spiritual thoughts from those different cultures. We had former Muslims, Buddhists, and people who were total non-believers when they started coming to the class. Some came from very hard backgrounds and had suffered greatly in their home countries. 

The Sunday School Class parties were great with an amazing variety of food. I really enjoyed the class members and though they came from vary different cultures they all developed a love for each other and were great together. Maybe that is what heaven will be like. 

While a rich tapestry of cultures is great for general understanding and cultural diversity (and food!), 'rich spiritual thoughts' from pagan cultures/religions have no place in a Bible class... unless you're explaining what the Bible has to say about those pagan ideas (Eph. 5:11). There can be no true unity in a church except through God's truth. Not saying there won't be differences of opinions, but good doctrine is non-negotiable. Jesus' prayer for the unity of the church is centered on with sanctification through the truth of God's Word (John 17).

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52 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

The Northern Baptist Convention is still very much alive. They changed the name to American Baptist Convention, but it is the same as when it was founded. A simple search online will bring up, not only the convention, but individual churches as well.

You are right and that is the term that should be used. It was not used, unless it was about the church named the North Baptist Church near Corning, NY. But that is not a convention or denomination. 

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1 hour ago, Salyan said:

While a rich tapestry of cultures is great for general understanding and cultural diversity (and food!), 'rich spiritual thoughts' from pagan cultures/religions have no place in a Bible class... unless you're explaining what the Bible has to say about those pagan ideas (Eph. 5:11). There can be no true unity in a church except through God's truth. Not saying there won't be differences of opinions, but good doctrine is non-negotiable. Jesus' prayer for the unity of the church is centered on with sanctification through the truth of God's Word (John 17).

And we must never confuse culture with Christ.

 

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5 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

And we must never confuse culture with Christ.

 

No. But when a culture is steeped in false religion, it’s spiritual thoughts will be based from that. And the examples you have weren’t ‘cultures’ (e.g. Arabian, Nepalese), they were religions (Muslim, Buddhist). Just going off the information you provided. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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6 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

You are right and that is the term that should be used. It was not used, unless it was about the church named the North Baptist Church near Corning, NY. But that is not a convention or denomination. 

No, no where near Corning, NY but nice try.

9 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I would think that with a multi-ethnic church you would have to have a rich spiritual heritage. 

Years ago I taught an international Sunday School Class. The richness of the cultures that were present in the class brought rich spiritual thoughts from those different cultures. We had former Muslims, Buddhists, and people who were total non-believers when they started coming to the class. Some came from very hard backgrounds and had suffered greatly in their home countries. 

The Sunday School Class parties were great with an amazing variety of food. I really enjoyed the class members and though they came from vary different cultures they all developed a love for each other and were great together. Maybe that is what heaven will be like. 

Multiculturalism is the destruction of a nation. No matter how "rich" a few corporations and oligarchs get from it.

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4 hours ago, SureWord said:

No, no where near Corning, NY but nice try.

Multiculturalism is the destruction of a nation. No matter how "rich" a few corporations and oligarchs get from it.

So, what culture do you want to dominate? New England, the Mid Atlantic, Southern, Mid-Western, South Western, Northwestern. And within those regional cultures which culture do you want to dominate, rural, city, white, African American, Native American, Mountain folk?

5 hours ago, Salyan said:

No. But when a culture is steeped in false religion, it’s spiritual thoughts will be based from that. And the examples you have weren’t ‘cultures’ (e.g. Arabian, Nepalese), they were religions (Muslim, Buddhist). Just going off the information you provided. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yes, but some also bring a much stronger cultural belief in family and loyalty to others in their group, here being Christian, than what is believed and practiced in our culture. We can learn from others. 

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7 hours ago, Salyan said:

No. But when a culture is steeped in false religion, it’s spiritual thoughts will be based from that. And the examples you have weren’t ‘cultures’ (e.g. Arabian, Nepalese), they were religions (Muslim, Buddhist). Just going off the information you provided. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yes, but some also bring a much stronger cultural belief in family and loyalty to others in their group, here being Christian, than what is believed and practiced in our culture. We can learn from others. 

 

2 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

So, what culture do you want to dominate? New England, the Mid Atlantic, Southern, Mid-Western, South Western, Northwestern. And within those regional cultures which culture do you want to dominate, rural, city, white, African American, Native American, Mountain folk?

Yes, but some also bring a much stronger cultural belief in family and loyalty to others in their group, here being Christian, than what is believed and practiced in our culture. We can learn from others. 

Here is a map of the 11 cultural regions within the American nations.

11 Nations

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