Members Baptistsenior Posted December 23, 2020 Members Share Posted December 23, 2020 I asked my old IFB Pastor once if we were Calvanist or Arminian I won't tell his answer cause I want your thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Solution Pastor Scott Markle Posted December 23, 2020 Members Solution Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Baptistsenior said: I asked my old IFB Pastor once if we were Calvanist or Arminian I won't tell his answer cause I want your thoughts So, are you asking what I would consider myself? If so, I would answer -- 1. I am a ZERO point Calvinist (in relation to the doctrine of salvation). 2. I am a THREE point Arminian (in relation to the doctrine of salvation) (because three of the points are mutually exclusive, being an either/or proposition, having no third option). 3. I am TWO points neither, and thus am not actually either Calvinist or Arminian in my doctrinal system (in relation to the doctrine of salvation). 4. In fact, I would simply say that I seek to be Biblical in my system of belief, and thus will hold to any point from any system that I find to be Biblical, but will stand contrary to any point from any system that I find to be unbiblical. (Note: This includes whether I find a point to be unbiblical in the Calvinist system, Arminian system, or even Fundamental Baptist system. I am not bound under the authority of any system or movement. Rather, I am bound under the authority of GOD'S HOLY WORD!!!) WellWithMySoul and Baptistsenior 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SureWord Posted December 23, 2020 Members Share Posted December 23, 2020 Someone once said they were: Arminian before the cross and Calvinist after the cross. There's a lot of truth in that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted December 24, 2020 Members Share Posted December 24, 2020 Just a bible believer. I do not care what camp, they are all around the same shore. SureWord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted December 30, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 30, 2020 Biblicist. Calvinism and Arminianism have some good points, but are both too filled with man's doctrines that I could accept neither. More philosophy than doctrine. Alan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jordan Kurecki Posted January 7, 2021 Members Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 12/23/2020 at 4:25 PM, SureWord said: Someone once said they were: Arminian before the cross and Calvinist after the cross. There's a lot of truth in that statement. I fail to see any truth in that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SureWord Posted January 7, 2021 Members Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Jordan Kurecki said: I fail to see any truth in that statement. I explained what the preacher meant in another thread. He was being tongue-in-cheek. He was inferring that a man has freewill (Arminian) to reject Christ's gift of salvation ("before the cross") but no freewill (Calvinism) to reject Christ after he has been saved ("after the cross). Therefore, concerning the question whether he was Arminian or Calvinist he said: "Arminian before the cross, Calvinist after the cross". Edited January 7, 2021 by SureWord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jordan Kurecki Posted January 9, 2021 Members Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 1:41 PM, SureWord said: I explained what the preacher meant in another thread. He was being tongue-in-cheek. He was inferring that a man has freewill (Arminian) to reject Christ's gift of salvation ("before the cross") but no freewill (Calvinism) to reject Christ after he has been saved ("after the cross). Therefore, concerning the question whether he was Arminian or Calvinist he said: "Arminian before the cross, Calvinist after the cross". Oh OK friend, I thought you were trying to imply that salvation was by works in the old testament and by grace in the new which the Bible absolutely does not teach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yeshuafan Posted January 15, 2021 Members Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 8:28 PM, Jordan Kurecki said: Oh OK friend, I thought you were trying to imply that salvation was by works in the old testament and by grace in the new which the Bible absolutely does not teach. No, but Scofield and others did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Baptistsenior Posted May 25, 2021 Author Members Share Posted May 25, 2021 On 12/23/2020 at 9:48 AM, Pastor Scott Markle said: So, are you asking what I would consider myself? If so, I would answer -- 1. I am a ZERO point Calvinist (in relation to the doctrine of salvation). 2. I am a THREE point Arminian (in relation to the doctrine of salvation) (because three of the points are mutually exclusive, being an either/or proposition, having no third option). 3. I am TWO points neither, and thus am not actually either Calvinist or Arminian in my doctrinal system (in relation to the doctrine of salvation). 4. In fact, I would simply say that I seek to be Biblical in my system of belief, and thus will hold to any point from any system that I find to be Biblical, but will stand contrary to any point from any system that I find to be unbiblical. (Note: This includes whether I find a point to be unbiblical in the Calvinist system, Arminian system, or even Fundamental Baptist system. I am not bound under the authority of any system or movement. Rather, I am bound under the authority of GOD'S HOLY WORD!!!) Love this answer. Okay when I asked my old Pastor whether we were Calvanist or Armenian, he replied neither we are Baptist they existed before and along side the other two and the other two spent time trying to kill the Baptists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SureWord Posted May 25, 2021 Members Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Baptistsenior said: Love this answer. Okay when I asked my old Pastor whether we were Calvanist or Armenian, he replied neither we are Baptist they existed before and along side the other two and the other two spent time trying to kill the Baptists When were Armenians ever trying to kill Baptists? I don't recall. I know Calvinists persecuted Baptists but followers of Jacob Arminius never did. Unless you are referring to papists but they aren't Armenians in the true sense of the word. On 1/15/2021 at 12:01 PM, Yeshuafan said: No, but Scofield and others did! Scofield never taught salvation by works in the OT. Others do but not Scofield. Where do people come up with this stuff? BrotherTony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Bill Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I was predestined to believe in free will. SureWord and BrotherTony 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Salyan Posted May 26, 2021 Moderators Share Posted May 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said: I was predestined to believe in free will. Can't argue with that one. BrotherTony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted May 26, 2021 Moderators Share Posted May 26, 2021 23 hours ago, SureWord said: Scofield never taught salvation by works in the OT. Others do but not Scofield. Where do people come up with this stuff? Maybe not, but he DID teach the heretical Gap theory, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Bill Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Ukulelemike said: Maybe not, but he DID teach the heretical Gap theory, so... I am not defending or condemning the gap theory. Just musing. I do not see how it can be condemned as heresy as time is not mentioned between versus 1 and 2 in Genesis one. Hmmm, maybe I should start a new thread on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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