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30 minutes ago, SureWord said:

99% survival rate 69 and under (99.9 in children)

96.4 survival rate 69 and older. 

If you fill a nursing home or a respiratory rehabilitation facility for the elderly with Covid-19 patients most likely people will die. 

I am sure that is comforting to the 250,000+ families of people who have died. And, your reply is not on topic. Is it better to be six feet apart or six feet under?

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16 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Your reply is totally off the topic. 

Would you rather be 6 feet apart or 6 feet under?

I don't see his reply as off topic. Anyways, I guess with the situation that you are mentioning that no-one should leave the house ever since here is so much more danger out of the house than in it

Then again lots of people die in their own house... what am I to do make sure I don't die?

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44 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

I don't see his reply as off topic. Anyways, I guess with the situation that you are mentioning that no-one should leave the house ever since here is so much more danger out of the house than in it

Then again lots of people die in their own house... what am I to do make sure I don't die?

It was a simply question from the advice. Is it better to be 6 feet apart or 6 feet under. Seems a simply question to me.

Frankly, I would rather be 6, 12, 18 feet apart than 6 feet under. 

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Aw...but if it were my appointed time, to have my body 6 feet under is nothing compared to being present with my Saviour!  In the meantime, I shall do all I can to redeem the time desiring to glorify Him and to share the glory and grace of His gift of salvation with others.

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9 minutes ago, WellWithMySoul said:

Aw...but if it were my appointed time, to have my body 6 feet under is nothing compared to being present with my Saviour!  In the meantime, I shall do all I can to redeem the time desiring to glorify Him and to share the glory and grace of His gift of salvation with others.

Does that include distancing yourself from other so that you not only protect yourself, but also protect them? Just curious. 

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31 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

It was a simply question from the advice. Is it better to be 6 feet apart or 6 feet under. Seems a simply question to me.

Frankly, I would rather be 6, 12, 18 feet apart than 6 feet under. 

I don't see how 6' or 18' makes a difference. Does covid measure distance to find those to infect? I thought it was an airborne virus which means you can't walk in the same are area someone else did that was infected.

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Dear man, when the Lord Jesus Christ gives opportunity to share Him, there's nothing that can "compare" to the work of the blessed Spirit!  There are many, many ways to shine Him on aside from face to face!  

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Covid Statistics

 

Copyright © 2020 The Johns Hopkins University, The Johns Hopkins Hospital, and Johns Hopkins Health System.

Infections:

COVID-19: Approximately 1,997,321 cases worldwide; 609,685 cases in the U.S. as of Apr. 15, 2020.*
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths:

COVID-19: Approximately 127,601 deaths reported worldwide; 26,059 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 15, 2020.*
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

Here are some other worldwide numbers to consider, as of 4/15/2020:

  • 3,750,391 people have died from other communicable diseases, in the first 4 months of 2020. The communicable disease number is nearly 136X the COVID-19 death toll for the US during the same period.
  • 140,517 deaths from seasonal flu;
  • 1,444,218 deaths from smoking;
  • 389,985 deaths from traffic accidents;
  • 2,372,725 deaths caused by cancer;
  • 309,803 deaths by suicide;  
  • 722,573 deaths from alcohol abuse.

None of the tragic numbers in the above statistics warranted the economic shutdown of our entire economy. Yet, these statistics are many times more than the COVID-19 death toll.

Dennis Linthicum
Oregon State Senate 28

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3 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Covid Statistics

 

Copyright © 2020 The Johns Hopkins University, The Johns Hopkins Hospital, and Johns Hopkins Health System.

Infections:

COVID-19: Approximately 1,997,321 cases worldwide; 609,685 cases in the U.S. as of Apr. 15, 2020.*
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths:

COVID-19: Approximately 127,601 deaths reported worldwide; 26,059 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 15, 2020.*
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

Here are some other worldwide numbers to consider, as of 4/15/2020:

  • 3,750,391 people have died from other communicable diseases, in the first 4 months of 2020. The communicable disease number is nearly 136X the COVID-19 death toll for the US during the same period.
  • 140,517 deaths from seasonal flu;
  • 1,444,218 deaths from smoking;
  • 389,985 deaths from traffic accidents;
  • 2,372,725 deaths caused by cancer;
  • 309,803 deaths by suicide;  
  • 722,573 deaths from alcohol abuse.

None of the tragic numbers in the above statistics warranted the economic shutdown of our entire economy. Yet, these statistics are many times more than the COVID-19 death toll.

Dennis Linthicum
Oregon State Senate 28

Jim, I'm curious. Why post info. that is 7 months old? As of yesterday the CDC published the number of 11,843,480 cases in the USA. with deaths of 263,600. 

WHO reported there have been 57,882,183 cases in the world with 1,377,395 deaths as of Nov. 20, 2020.

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I posted it simply because I just found it. It was relevant at that time and the numbers are still relevant. They proved at that time that there were significantly more deaths from flu that Covid for that time period. That has not changed and no amount of hype or proven inaccurate testing can change it. 

And it is relevant now, months later, because the main point of that post was that there has never been anything in history that has ever warranted the shutdown of this country and even the world. Covid19 has a 99% recovery rate and the flu recovery rate pales by comparison.

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5 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

I posted it simply because I just found it. It was relevant at that time and the numbers are still relevant. They proved at that time that there were significantly more deaths from flu that Covid for that time period. That has not changed and no amount of hype or proven inaccurate testing can change it. 

And it is relevant now, months later, because the main point of that post was that there has never been anything in history that has ever warranted the shutdown of this country and even the world. Covid19 has a 99% recovery rate and the flu recovery rate pales by comparison.

I figured you had a good reason to post the April numbers. Was just curious.

There are far more deaths this yes to Covid than to flu. We do have shots for flu, but some will not take them. That is their choice. A 99% recovery rate does not do much for the grief for the families and friends of the over 250,000 who have died. 

I do not agree that the first post indicates there has never been anything like Covid in the past. The Black Death that sweep through Europe comes to mind as well as the Spanish Flu in 1918 and 1919. I read a piece my mother wrote about that flu. She said there was a line of wagons running day and night taking bodies to the cemetery for burial. 

It is interesting, if you look into the history of the reactions to the pandemic of 1918 you discover they have the same opinions and discussions we are now having with this one.

All the OP was did was ask two simple questions. It was not a philosophical or political post IMYO.

 

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I did not say that there has never been anything like Covid in the past. I said that "there has never been anything in history that has ever warranted the shutdown of this country and even the world" I stand by it.

The  grief regarding the families who have lost loved ones is tragic, no one is insensitive to this. But the numbers that are supposedly attributed to Covid are faulty in that, many people who have died actually died from underlying existing health problems. Just because they had Covid markers when they died does not mean they died from Covid. 

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31 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

I did not say that there has never been anything like Covid in the past. I said that "there has never been anything in history that has ever warranted the shutdown of this country and even the world" I stand by it.

The  grief regarding the families who have lost loved ones is tragic, no one is insensitive to this. But the numbers that are supposedly attributed to Covid are faulty in that, many people who have died actually died from underlying existing health problems. Just because they had Covid markers when they died does not mean they died from Covid. 

You are probably correct in that countries have not been shut down before. That does not mean they should not be shut down now nor does it mean they should not have shutdown. I do not know enough to either condemn or praise the shutdown. IMHO there is not enough information available to determine if it was wise or foolish. Only history can help us make such a determination.

We will never know what would have happened if there had been no shutdown. We do know that the pandemic has spread rapidly as states opened up their economies. The Mayo Clinic published an interesting article on the long-term effects of COVID. To what extent should this influence government reactions. I don't know. We know a lot about the results of flu. We have little information the on the aftermath of COVID. It seems it is really hard on some people. To what extent does this make COVID an acceptable risk or not. I don't know. 

I hope no one on the board had to find out.

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11 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

You are probably correct in that countries have not been shut down before. That does not mean they should not be shut down now nor does it mean they should not have shutdown. I do not know enough to either condemn or praise the shutdown. IMHO there is not enough information available to determine if it was wise or foolish. Only history can help us make such a determination.

We will never know what would have happened if there had been no shutdown. We do know that the pandemic has spread rapidly as states opened up their economies. The Mayo Clinic published an interesting article on the long-term effects of COVID. To what extent should this influence government reactions. I don't know. We know a lot about the results of flu. We have little information the on the aftermath of COVID. It seems it is really hard on some people. To what extent does this make COVID an acceptable risk or not. I don't know. 

I hope no one on the board had to find out.

Bill, why don't you just get yourself a biohazard suit, oxygen tent and stay inside your home never leaving. You might catch a cold if you don't. 

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6 hours ago, SureWord said:

Bill, why don't you just get yourself a biohazard suit, oxygen tent and stay inside your home never leaving. You might catch a cold if you don't. 

Actually may wife and I will have a COVID test today as she has been having symptoms. I certainly do not want to spread it if we are positive. We will stay in our cottage until we receive the results of the test. If they are positive and it is a light case we will stay inside. If it is negative then we will go out again. 

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These tests are being used by officials to ramp up the numbers of those infected as an excuse for more lockdowns and restrictions. Notice in this report how many times tests came back negative before actually showing a real positive result. So then, under this scenario one could test negative and then go out and spread the disease, thinking that they are OK. 

Flawed and inaccurate Covid19 testing

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