Trump would have won if

[Bouncing Bill 53]

George's Republican chief says Trump would have won Georgia by 10,000 votes if he [Trump] had not suppressed his own base.

• Georgia's Republican top election official Brad Raffensperger says he believes President Trump's attacks on mail voting suppressed his own base and cost him the state.

• For months, Trump spread baseless claims that mail voting is untrustworthy and fundamentally fraudelent. He's now attacking Georgia officials like Raffensperger over his loss in the state.

• Raffensperger pointed that around 24,000 Republicans who voted by mail in the state's June 9 primary elections did not vote at all in the general, and said Trump's rhetoric could be a reason why.

• One expert on elections and voter turnout, Michael McDonald of the University of Florida, pointed out that an even greater number of Democrats who voted by mail in the primary didn't vote at all in the general.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgias-republican-chief-election-official-224520583.html

[SureWord 155]

Hogwash. 

You keep saying claims of potential voter fraud is "baseless" yet I have "gathered information" that it is not. This is why the the vast majority of nations ban it.

Enjoy your Banana Republic. 

 

[Bouncing Bill 53]

35 minutes ago, SureWord said:

Hogwash. 

You keep saying claims of potential voter fraud is "baseless" yet I have "gathered information" that it is not. This is why the the vast majority of nations ban it.

Enjoy your Banana Republic. 

 

Read the first post again. It is not about voter fraud, it is about Republicans not voting  because Trump told them not to vote by mail.  So, some did not vote at all. Yes, Democrats voted by mail, but fewer than Democrats who voted by mail in the primary runoff. You are mixing up messages.

Please give me a credible source showing voter fraud. Thanks in advance.

Are you always crass and impolite?

Edited November 19, 2020 by Bouncing Bill

[Ukulelemike 3,780]

I disagree-Trump voters voted in person, I don't think any sat around saying, "Oh my, Daddy Trump said not to vote by mail! Whatever shall I do?? Where is my milquetoast?"

5 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Read the first post again. It is not about voter fraud, it is about Republicans not voting  because Trump told them not to vote by mail.  So, some did not vote at all. Yes, Democrats voted by mail, but fewer than Democrats who voted by mail in the primary runoff. You are mixing up messages.

Please give me a credible source showing voter fraud. Thanks in advance.

Are you always crass and impolite?

https://thenewamerican.com/journalist-repeatedly-claimed-to-destroy-thousands-of-trump-ballots/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/west-virginia-mail-carrier-admits-attempted-election-fraud

https://100percentfedup.com/breaking-poll-worker-in-erie-pa-admits-to-throwing-away-over-a-hundred-pro-trump-ballots-on-instagram-video/

https://www.diamondandsilk.com/breaking-two-men-facing-charges-after-allegedly-forging-8000-voter-registration-applications-4/?fbclid=IwAR0Z_K8tEGuMVjhv3Qq8tfcY61iUYiozkwlwLSU4ziKfzY61iyRG0g-sZqQ

It is very easy to find-people seem pretty happy to admit to their fraud. These are just a very few. 

[Yeshuafan 10]

On 11/19/2020 at 9:38 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

Read the first post again. It is not about voter fraud, it is about Republicans not voting  because Trump told them not to vote by mail.  So, some did not vote at all. Yes, Democrats voted by mail, but fewer than Democrats who voted by mail in the primary runoff. You are mixing up messages.

Please give me a credible source showing voter fraud. Thanks in advance.

Are you always crass and impolite?

There was massive fraud!

[Bouncing Bill 53]

3 hours ago, Yeshuafan said:

There was massive fraud!

No evidence of it no matter how much folk want to believe it. Courts have thrown out over 30 suits on this issue. Officials in both parties have said it was a clean election. Put away your bias and wants and look at the facts calmly and rationally. You will feel better if you do.

[heartstrings 2,368]

If you're happy with the party who push for "a woman's right to choose" aka brutally murdering unborn children in the womb(and "partially born"), "gay marriage", "transgenderism", legalizing pedophilia and pretty much any ungodly lifestyle and act you can name including hate for Christians then, no need for alarm.

[Bouncing Bill 53]

Happy or not I know there was no fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election. I accept that and will live with it. So should everyone. I remember how Trump supporters told others to live with it that Trump was elected. We have no real choice. As it says in Acts 9:5, It is hard for thee to kick the pricks. 

[heartstrings 2,368]

I don't physically know if or how there was in fact fraud but, knowing who and how these people are, I strongly suspect there was. 

Here are a few ways listed online....would they do any of these things? nahhhh

• 3.1Misleading or confusing ballot papers
• 3.2Ballot stuffing
• 3.3Misrecording of votes
• 3.4Misuse of proxy votes
• 3.5Destruction or invalidation of ballots
• 3.6Tampering with electronic voting systems
  • 3.6.1General tampering
• 3.7Voter impersonation
• 3.8Artificial results
• 3.9Postal ballot fraud

[SureWord 155]

OK, somebody has to say this:

Bill, there was fraud no doubt. Not according to the garbage you read like the NYT and Wash Post. Also, your evasive answer to his abortion comment says a lot. 

The fact that these crooked judges have thrown these lawsuits out shows the serious condition this nation is in but you fail to see this just like you fail to see the corruption in the Wescott and Hort text despite all the "gathering information for scientists" you do.

"Ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth".

[Bouncing Bill 53]

54 minutes ago, heartstrings said:

I don't physically know if or how there was in fact fraud but, knowing who and how these people are, I strongly suspect there was. 

Here are a few ways listed online....would they do any of these things? nahhhh

• 3.1Misleading or confusing ballot papers
• 3.2Ballot stuffing
• 3.3Misrecording of votes
• 3.4Misuse of proxy votes
• 3.5Destruction or invalidation of ballots
• 3.6Tampering with electronic voting systems
  • 3.6.1General tampering
• 3.7Voter impersonation
• 3.8Artificial results
• 3.9Postal ballot fraud

If there was widespread fraud whey is it that the officials in Republican held states do not say there was? All of them are saying there was no fraud. Because there isn't any.

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933112418/the-trump-campaign-has-had-almost-no-legal-success-this-month-heres-what-they-ve

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/14/politics/trump-election-cases-status/index.html

https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/trump-voter-fraud-claims-disappear-at-pennsylvania-court-hearing

[Yeshuafan 10]

2 hours ago, heartstrings said:

I don't physically know if or how there was in fact fraud but, knowing who and how these people are, I strongly suspect there was. 

Here are a few ways listed online....would they do any of these things? nahhhh

• 3.1Misleading or confusing ballot papers
• 3.2Ballot stuffing
• 3.3Misrecording of votes
• 3.4Misuse of proxy votes
• 3.5Destruction or invalidation of ballots
• 3.6Tampering with electronic voting systems
  • 3.6.1General tampering
• 3.7Voter impersonation
• 3.8Artificial results
• 3.9Postal ballot fraud

Just find it massive irony that Dems and Media wants us to swallow this down and accept Joe as next president and that was legit, while they spent from day 1 NEVER stating Trump was legit!

1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

If there was widespread fraud whey is it that the officials in Republican held states do not say there was? All of them are saying there was no fraud. Because there isn't any.

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933112418/the-trump-campaign-has-had-almost-no-legal-success-this-month-heres-what-they-ve

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/14/politics/trump-election-cases-status/index.html

https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/trump-voter-fraud-claims-disappear-at-pennsylvania-court-hearing

So the tens of thouands of votes here in Mi that went and switched from trump to Biden by the software used to count was not intentional?

1 hour ago, SureWord said:

OK, somebody has to say this:

Bill, there was fraud no doubt. Not according to the garbage you read like the NYT and Wash Post. Also, your evasive answer to his abortion comment says a lot. 

The fact that these crooked judges have thrown these lawsuits out shows the serious condition this nation is in but you fail to see this just like you fail to see the corruption in the Wescott and Hort text despite all the "gathering information for scientists" you do.

"Ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth".

This does not mean was no fraud, just that those judges and officials liked the stated results, if this was other way, all of them would be screaming to heaven that trump cheated his way back in!

[Bouncing Bill 53]

7 minutes ago, Yeshuafan said:

Just find it massive irony that Dems and Media wants us to swallow this down and accept Joe as next president and that was legit, while they spent from day 1 NEVER stating Trump was legit!

So the tens of thouands of votes here in Mi that went and switched from trump to Biden by the software used to count was not intentional?

This does not mean was no fraud, just that those judges and officials liked the stated results, if this was other way, all of them would be screaming to heaven that trump cheated his way back in!

So everyone and anyone who does not agree with you is crooked. Is that right? 

[HappyChristian 3,649]

Bologna. 

[Bouncing Bill 53]

6 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

Bologna. 

Did you note that after the recounts that Biden's lead is now over 6 million votes nationwide. The recounts have added to Biden's victory

[HappyChristian 3,649]

17 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Did you note that after the recounts that Biden's lead is now over 6 million votes nationwide. The recounts have added to Biden's victory

If you want to believe that a female/child-sniffing and inappropriate touching dementia-ridden old man and a non-black woman-until-it-suited-her-narrative who had to drop out of the primaries because nobody wanted her actually got all those votes, go ahead. I don't. Never will.  You nor anyone else will ever convince me that historic loser Biden got more votes than Obama. Did not happen.

You can continue to argue the points, quoting the very obviously biased mainstream media who are being used as a tool in this coup, denying the truth of voter fraud via mail-in ballots all you want. I will not join in on that lie being foisted on the American people.

Try reading The Epoch Times...they are more honest in their coverage. Conservative, yes. Trumpist, no. By that, I mean they are not only interested in claiming that Trump is the be-all and end-all. They are cognizant enough of the Constitution and truth that they know Biden and Harris will  complete the destruction that progressives began, though. Anyway, they have made it very clear that they will not "call" a winner of the election until everything is said and done.

Meaning recounts (like the signature recount that GA Governor Kemp called for on Friday...after the manual recount that LOST Biden votes, even though they claimed he still won the state), court cases, etc., certification by secretaries of state, issuance (by state legislatures) of list of electoral voters, approval of and presentation of that list by individual governors, the actual vote of the college, the Senate count and discussion/objection to any votes (with fraud being suspected and FACTS that the msm are not sharing with people coming out, I can almost guarantee objections), dealing with the objections in the proper way, and then either the Senate accepts the votes as are and the Senate president announces a winner, or other things happen. SCOTUS may get involved, and it could even go to a House vote...in which case, it is quite likely Trump would win.

Anyhow, this is not over by a long shot. When an attempt is made to steal a national election, it takes time to sort things out. With Gore it took 37 days and SCOTUS. And that was dealing with just ONE state.

[DaChaser 17]

On 11/20/2020 at 12:54 PM, Bouncing Bill said:

Happy or not I know there was no fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election. I accept that and will live with it. So should everyone. I remember how Trump supporters told others to live with it that Trump was elected. We have no real choice. As it says in Acts 9:5, It is hard for thee to kick the pricks. 

Should we "accept" it in the same fashion that the Dems and media NEVER accepted that Trump was legit?

[Bouncing Bill 53]

3 minutes ago, DaChaser said:

Should we "accept" it in the same fashion that the Dems and media NEVER accepted that Trump was legit?

No, Trump lost the popular vote in  both elections. Trump won the electoral vote in 2016 but lost the electoral vote in 2020. Interesting he won by 306 - 232 in 2016 and lost by by exactly the same number in 2020, 306-232. He never received more votes than his opponent. 

[Yeshuafan 10]

4 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

No, Trump lost the popular vote in  both elections. Trump won the electoral vote in 2016 but lost the electoral vote in 2020. Interesting he won by 306 - 232 in 2016 and lost by by exactly the same number in 2020, 306-232. He never received more votes than his opponent. 

Not elected by the Popular vote, as the DEM want to abolish Elwectorial College, as know have NY and CA in the bag every election!

[Bouncing Bill 53]

15 minutes ago, Yeshuafan said:

Not elected by the Popular vote, as the DEM want to abolish Elwectorial College, as know have NY and CA in the bag every election!

Do the Republicans have any states 'in the bag'?

[heartstrings 2,368]

Trump wasn't my #1 choice in the 2016 campaign but I ended up voting for him and voted for him this time too.  GO TRUMP!!!

[HappyChristian 3,649]

8 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

No, Trump lost the popular vote in  both elections. Trump won the electoral vote in 2016 but lost the electoral vote in 2020. Interesting he won by 306 - 232 in 2016 and lost by by exactly the same number in 2020, 306-232. He never received more votes than his opponent. 

And yet again I must tell you: IT ISN'T OVER YET. Popular vote is not what it important. Not in a constitutional republic. Even the electoral vote can be overturned. 

[Bouncing Bill 53]

8 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

And yet again I must tell you: IT ISN'T OVER YET. Popular vote is not what it important. Not in a constitutional republic. Even the electoral vote can be overturned. 

It will not be overturned this year. The transition has officially begun.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gsa-chief-letter-president-elect-biden-formal-transition-process-resources

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/11/23/trump-and-gsa-authorize-biden-to-begin-presidential-transition/?sh=959751f2bd29

[Yeshuafan 10]

18 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Do the Republicans have any states 'in the bag'?

Not enough to offset those 2 states in popular votes!

[DaChaser 17]

On 11/24/2020 at 2:08 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

It will not be overturned this year. The transition has officially begun.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gsa-chief-letter-president-elect-biden-formal-transition-process-resources

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/11/23/trump-and-gsa-authorize-biden-to-begin-presidential-transition/?sh=959751f2bd29

Best news is that the Lord jesus still in charge, and he can cause what was done in the dark be exposed to the Light!

[robycop3 2]

  I was surprised & disappointed that Trump's campaign didn't hammer home the fact that the Dems wasted over $40 million of OUR money on an impeachment they knew beforehand wouldn't pass. Also, they didn't play the "Socialist" card hard enough. And Trump's own baseless claims came home to roost.

  Vote fraud occurs in virtually every election that's not limited so some one-horse town, but not enough to overturn this election. As a Conservative, I shall pray that God have His hand on Joe's shoulder & keep him on a moderate course. Also praying the Senate remains under GOP control.

  I believe Trump has packed the SCOTUS & most federal courts with enough Conservative judges to keep the "Progressives" (Communists) at bay. Biden's not a big fan of them anyway.

[HappyChristian 3,649]

On 11/24/2020 at 2:08 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

It will not be overturned this year. The transition has officially begun.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gsa-chief-letter-president-elect-biden-formal-transition-process-resources

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/11/23/trump-and-gsa-authorize-biden-to-begin-presidential-transition/?sh=959751f2bd29

LOL. No - there are SOME things being done...and the REASON for it is because Trump told the GSA to go ahead because democrats were threatening and harassing. It's funny, but the MSM has sure presented this thing with the GSA as "proof" that Biden won. But it's nothing like that. The MSM sure has fooled people who are ignorant of the election process into believing whatever they say. Neither the MSM nor the GSA decide who is POTUS. 

PA has been stopped from certifying until Fri while they are looking into fraud. Amazingly, at the OPEN meetings today, it was pointed out that just a little over a million mail in ballots were sent out. And 2.5 million votes were counted. Hmmm...by any standard of math, that's not possible without fraud.

Nevada is allowing accusations of fraud to be presented. A major lawsuit against GA has been filed. 

It's not over by a long shot. Remember, Gore had 37 days he thought he'd be sitting in the White House.

[Bouncing Bill 53]

2 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

LOL. No - there are SOME things being done...and the REASON for it is because Trump told the GSA to go ahead because democrats were threatening and harassing. It's funny, but the MSM has sure presented this thing with the GSA as "proof" that Biden won. But it's nothing like that. The MSM sure has fooled people who are ignorant of the election process into believing whatever they say. Neither the MSM nor the GSA decide who is POTUS. 

PA has been stopped from certifying until Fri while they are looking into fraud. Amazingly, at the OPEN meetings today, it was pointed out that just a little over a million mail in ballots were sent out. And 2.5 million votes were counted. Hmmm...by any standard of math, that's not possible without fraud.

Nevada is allowing accusations of fraud to be presented. A major lawsuit against GA has been filed. 

It's not over by a long shot. Remember, Gore had 37 days he thought he'd be sitting in the White House.

Hope springs eternal.

[Jim_Alaska 2,343]

Here is a link to what has been going on in Pennsylvania regarding election fraud in the last few days.

Pennsylvania Election Fraud Hearings

Edited November 27, 2020 by Jim_Alaska
correcting URL

[Bouncing Bill 53]

51 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Here is a link to what has been going on in Pennsylvania regarding election fraud in the last few days.

Pennsylvania Election Fraud Hearings

Jim, I do not know why, but when I clicked on the link ... several times ... I got a window saying "This Website cannot be reached." So, obviously, I could not read what you referenced. I have read about one man attempting voter fraud with one ballot and he is a registered Republican. 

https://www.newsweek.com/pa-lieut-governor-urges-man-charged-voter-fraud-apply-pardon-if-convicted-i-believe-2nd-1550289

Edited November 26, 2020 by Bouncing Bill

[Jim_Alaska 2,343]

Sorry about that Bill, I must have copied something wrong when I posted that URL. I have fixed it now and it seems to be correct.

[Bouncing Bill 53]

18 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Here is a link to what has been going on in Pennsylvania regarding election fraud in the last few days.

Pennsylvania Election Fraud Hearings

That was all thrown out of court because those who brought the case could product no evidence to back up their arguments. Indeed, they changed their argument, removing fraud as a charge. You have to have evidence in a court to win, regardless of your beliefs and position. Listen to the give and take  between Giuliani and the judge. It ended up that Giuliani admits he was saying there was fraud. 

Now, these are their actual words, not someone's opinion of what they said. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/giuliani-pennsylvania-court-appearance/2020/11/18/ad7288dc-2941-11eb-92b7-6ef17b3fe3b4_story.html

If you read the report below the video you see that Giuliani admits he does not know what "strict scrutiny" or "opacity" means. That is embarrassing, especially for a lawyer. 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Bouncing Bill

[SureWord 155]

40 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

That was all thrown out of court because those who brought the case could product no evidence to back up their arguments. Indeed, they changed their argument, removing fraud as a charge. You have to have evidence in a court to win, regardless of your beliefs and position. Listen to the give and take  between Giuliani and the judge. It ended up that Giuliani admits he was saying there was fraud. 

Now, these are their actual words, not someone's opinion of what they said. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/giuliani-pennsylvania-court-appearance/2020/11/18/ad7288dc-2941-11eb-92b7-6ef17b3fe3b4_story.html

If you read the report below the video you see that Giuliani admits he does not know what "strict scrutiny" or "opacity" means. That is embarrassing, especially for a lawyer. 

They want them thrown out of the courts because this will fast track the case to the SCOTUS. The case is about the Constitutional Rights of the POTUS.

Also, nobody believes what that garbage rag WAPO has to say. Pure yellow journalism.

Edited November 27, 2020 by SureWord

[Jim_Alaska 2,343]

It may have been thrown out of court, but the charges that were brought were valid and there were credible witnesses to them. You can't fabricate things like how many ballots were mailed out and then disregard 70,000 more ballots coming back than were mailed out. Those were the numbers reported by the precincts themselves, not something that Giuliani made up.

GOP poll watchers not being allowed to watch is valid first hand evidence and patently illegal.

[Bouncing Bill 53]

35 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

It may have been thrown out of court, but the charges that were brought were valid and there were credible witnesses to them. You can't fabricate things like how many ballots were mailed out and then disregard 70,000 more ballots coming back than were mailed out. Those were the numbers reported by the precincts themselves, not something that Giuliani made up.

GOP poll watchers not being allowed to watch is valid first hand evidence and patently illegal.

This obviously is false information. Why? Because Republicans control both the Pennsylvania House and Senate. If what you posted above was true then they would have been screaming about the fraud. Also, as the controlling party it was the Republicans who set up the counting process. So, I do not believe the charges have any merit. If they had merit the Republican controlled state government would have taken the matter up. But, they, the Republican controlled process was reported by Republicans to have been fair and without fraud.

If you do not like what was done you have to blame the Republicans who controlled the process, IMHO.

1 hour ago, SureWord said:

They want them thrown out of the courts because this will fast track the case to the SCOTUS. The case is about the Constitutional Rights of the POTUS.

Also, nobody believes what that garbage rag WAPO has to say. Pure yellow journalism.

So, you do not believe the recording of what the judge and Giuliani said? It wasn't an opinion pied.

If SCOTUS was going to review the case they would have already done so. Also, even if PA flipped it would not change the results of the electoral college majority. But, it has been certified by Republicans as a Biden win ... certified by PA Republicans.