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It seems to me that President Trump was on the way to win the presidential election by a wide margin. When the Democratic controlled  electoral process saw an obvious Trump win the States left ( Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Michigan), with a Democratic controlled electoral process stopped the election process, denied legal observers to observe the process, allowed ballots to come in after November 4th., and let a multitude of fraudulent ballots be counted for Biden.

Already as we speak, YouTube, the major news media, Twitter, etc.. is trying desperately to stop any rational discussion and legal remedy.

Here is a video for your consideration and information.

 

 

 

Unless the Juridical process stops this illegal method of the electoral process the United States will be considered a 'banana Republic,' that is run by the Socialists, Communists, anarchists, and anyone else with a personal vendetta against the Constitution of United States.

 

 

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I wouldn't expect the "judicial process" to stop anything. They are part of the reason for all the corruption. An example would be that Bush appointed federal judge in Texas refusing to stop the drive thru ballots because the GOP couldn't prove "evil intent" which is ridiculous. Also, forget the DOJ or FBI.  Barr and the DOJ never indicted anyone involved in the coup against the President and the FBI is as crooked as the Mexican Federales.

All we can be sure of is that they are all corrupt, Trump flushed them out, there's no more "conspiracy theory" about it. We now have a Uni-Party and at least 100 million demoralized Americans. Even those who voted for Trump, though they got their way, can't say they believe in our system anymore. I hear all the time people saying that they feel America is no longer their country. A coworker told me that just today. When you take away the only power, the only say that people have in the direction of the USA, i.e. an uncorrupted election, we've entered into some dangerous ground. The government can no longer fool people into believing their empty promises if elected again so they will stay in power by ostracization, force and subjugation from now on.

I personally believe that there will be a grave consequence for what has happened that may not come to fruition until some time down the road. If you take away the voice of the people through rigged elections or censoring of free speech people will resort to violence.

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Seeing the electoral process being corrupted by fraud, of all types, is a sad thing to witness. It is no wonder that the majority of Americans are frustrated. Biden, and the rest of the Democratic party, ought to be ashamed. But, it is apparent that the fraud was premeditated by those with no conscience. 

It is my prayer that the Supreme Court of the United States steps in to stop the fraudulent electoral process in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Michigan, Nevada, Georgia and do re-counts in Wisconsin.

If the Supreme court does not do so, than I fear that the United States is not a country run by law.

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I'm not sure about the other states but the "mail in voting" system here in MI has only been put in place this year and was justified as a safety measure for COVID. I doubt it ever was vetted by anyone outside of the current administration because non-essential activity (such as close government scrutiny) has been denied due to social distancing policies put in place.

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I spent my adult life researching and gathering information for engineers, scientists, computer specialists, management, etc., etc. This conditioned me to examine ideas and issues carefully before coming to a decision. Thus, after doing this the last several days I have come to the conclusion that all the hubbub of voting counter fraud is not true. Why? Bear with me and I will give you my reasons. 

  • In the states controlled by Democrats almost no Republican politicians, party officials or leaders have said there was fraud. Most have remained mute or have said they have seen no instances of fraud. 
  • In Republican controlled states the report is the same. There is no sign of widespread fraud.
  • If the Democrats were as good at presidential fraud as some claim, then they would not have lost seats in the House of Representatives and they would have taken over the Senate.
  • Republican vote counting observers have not reported fraud.
  • Courts have throw out cases. They ask for evidence and none is provided. Guilt and innocence is determined by evidence, not accusations. 
  • The head of an international delegation monitoring the U.S. election says his team has no evidence to support President Donald Trump’s claims about alleged fraud involving mail-in absentee ballots. They have no axe to grind.
  •  FBI Director Christopher Wray testified to Congress on Thursday that the agency has not historically seen “any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election,”
  • Ben Hovland, appointed by Donald Tump as the head of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission said he has found no evidence of fraud.

This evidence had convinced me there is no widespread fraud in this election. 

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All President Trump, and a nation of concerned American citizens, who like many other people, can think rationally, and also have experience in gathering information, is to have the legal process started, and finished by the Supreme Court, to determine, and document, the fraud that many have claimed has taken place. The public press is not the place to gather information but a legal court case is.

It seems to me that the Democratic party, and a lot of like-minded individuals, do not want transparency in the ballot counting process, the double-checking of ballots, and the proceedings of a court room. It also seems to me that due to the extreme hatred towards president Trump, and his policies, that many individuals castigate him in the public arena and will not let him have his day in Court.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I spent my adult life researching and gathering information for engineers, scientists, computer specialists, management, etc., etc. This conditioned me to examine ideas and issues carefully before coming to a decision. Thus, after doing this the last several days I have come to the conclusion that all the hubbub of voting counter fraud is not true. Why? Bear with me and I will give you my reasons. 

  • In the states controlled by Democrats almost no Republican politicians, party officials or leaders have said there was fraud. Most have remained mute or have said they have seen no instances of fraud. 
  • In Republican controlled states the report is the same. There is no sign of widespread fraud.
  • If the Democrats were as good at presidential fraud as some claim, then they would not have lost seats in the House of Representatives and they would have taken over the Senate.
  • Republican vote counting observers have not reported fraud.
  • Courts have throw out cases. They ask for evidence and none is provided. Guilt and innocence is determined by evidence, not accusations. 
  • The head of an international delegation monitoring the U.S. election says his team has no evidence to support President Donald Trump’s claims about alleged fraud involving mail-in absentee ballots. They have no axe to grind.
  •  FBI Director Christopher Wray testified to Congress on Thursday that the agency has not historically seen “any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election,”
  • Ben Hovland, appointed by Donald Tump as the head of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission said he has found no evidence of fraud.

This evidence had convinced me there is no widespread fraud in this election. 

You spent years "researching and gathering information" and yet you can't see the corruptions within the new versions of the bible. As Corn Pop Biden would say, "Come on, man!"

42 minutes ago, Alan said:

All President Trump, and a nation of concerned American citizens, who like many other people, can think rationally, and also have experience in gathering information, is to have the legal process started, and finished by the Supreme Court, to determine, and document, the fraud that many have claimed has taken place. The public press is not the place to gather information but a legal court case is.

It seems to me that the Democratic party, and a lot of like-minded individuals, do not want transparency in the ballot counting process, the double-checking of ballots, and the proceedings of a court room. It also seems to me that due to the extreme hatred towards president Trump, and his policies, that many individuals castigate him in the public arena and will not let him have his day in Court.

 

 

 

My brother predicted a while back that the Democrats wanted to corrupt the election enough to have it forced into the Supreme Court. Ultimately, they want the Judiciary to determine elections. The Democrats have become the authoritarians.

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31 minutes ago, SureWord said:

You spent years "researching and gathering information" and yet you can't see the corruptions within the new versions of the bible. As Corn Pop Biden would say, "Come on, man!"

My brother predicted a while back that the Democrats wanted to corrupt the election enough to have it forced into the Supreme Court. Ultimately, they want the Judiciary to determine elections. The Democrats have become the authoritarians.

What evidence do you have that voter fraud happened. Now, I really mean evidence, not opinion or hearsay?

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40 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

What evidence do you have that voter fraud happened. Now, I really mean evidence, not opinion or hearsay?

Chris Wallace of Fox News says there is not enough evidence of voter fraud.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chris-wallace-election-fraud-not-enough-evidence

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3 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Chris Wallace of Fox News says there is not enough evidence of voter fraud.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chris-wallace-election-fraud-not-enough-evidence

LOL, Chris Wallace. Maybe you should be posting in the United Methodist or Rainbow Church forum.

3 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

What evidence do you have that voter fraud happened. Now, I really mean evidence, not opinion or hearsay?

What evidence did you have for thinking that Trump colluded with the Russians?

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19 hours ago, Alan said:

Here is a video for your consideration and information.

 

 

 

I uploaded the video so we could consider the information that the two speakers bring out.

Is is possible to discuss the specific information, gather facts, that they bring out?

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13 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

News says there is not enough evidence of voter fraud.

You can't have any evidence of fraud if you are not allowed to check. That's the current issue at hand is that Inspectors were not allowed to properly check the mail in ballots. In the latest press release that is what they alleged:
 

 

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6 hours ago, John Young said:

You can't have any evidence of fraud if you are not allowed to check. That's the current issue at hand is that Inspectors were not allowed to properly check the mail in ballots. In the latest press release that is what they alleged:
 

 

But they were allowed to check. Also, in Philadelphia they had cams all over the place watching. There were both Republican and Democratic observers standing, first 12 and then 6 feet away. The notion that they were not allowed to check is simply disinformation. I was watching one of the news channels and a highly respected Republican lawyer was questioned. He said there was no evidence of fraud and that it was almost impossible for there to be. Each machine was checked and rechecked. The paper ballots were checked and rechecked. This was all observed by people supporting each candidate. 

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8 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

But they were allowed to check.

In what world is standing 12 or 6 feet equate to being allowed to check documents much less challenge a ballot? Maybe companies can tell that to the IRS next time they get audited. 

Regardless, the courts will decide soon enough whither or not they were denied the right to PROPERLY check. Simply taking the word of the those who possibly denied the right or opinions of those who were not there, over those who claim they were denied isn't good enough in this situation.

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The Democrats spent over two years trying to find evidence on Trump colluding with Russia when there was no evidence to begin with. So now it's Trump's turn. 

How could the Republicans actually gain seats in the Senate and House yet Trump still lose? And 200% voter turnout in Milwaukee plus another case of 170,00 straight ballots in a row going to Biden? And now complete censorship or "shadow banning" of any mention of these things on the social media even the entire internet? Yeah, right. 

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13 hours ago, John Young said:

In what world is standing 12 or 6 feet equate to being allowed to check documents much less challenge a ballot? Maybe companies can tell that to the IRS next time they get audited. 

Regardless, the courts will decide soon enough whither or not they were denied the right to PROPERLY check. Simply taking the word of the those who possibly denied the right or opinions of those who were not there, over those who claim they were denied isn't good enough in this situation.

Yes, if the cases are not dropped before going to court. Time will tell.

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Some friends of ours who live in Arizona claim they were sent three actual mail in ballots (not the application) from MI. But they had not lived in MI in over 20+ years but apparently were still on the rolls and someone had applied for them on their behalf.

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6 hours ago, John Young said:

Here  is a quote from the New American article that says is informative,  "As the old adage goes, “The numbers don’t lie.” There are more than enough aberrations to prompt anyone serious about election integrity to want to take a deeper look at the numbers — and the ballots.

The aberrations within the vote counts of the elections mentioned in the article need to be legally questioned in the various States that they occurred in and then, if need be, the Supreme Court of the United States. The individuals who helped this alleged fraudulent vote scheme who helped it succeed need to be found, investigated and all the facts brought out in Court, and be brought to trial.

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Hmmm? Let's see what happens in the next week or two.

Maybe some of these lawsuits in the contested States will prove the alleged corruption in the Presidential election.

 

Let us pray that the court system allows the gathered evidence to be reviewed in a court of Law.

 

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There was no doubt voter fraud going on. The Democrats for years have refused to work with the Republicans in purging the voting registries of graveyard voters. Also, with the counting of all the post-dated and unsigned ballots that smacks of fraud too. All kinds of shady dealings were going on like when they stopped counting at midnight in Philadelphia then when a van full of unsigned ballots (all for Biden) came in at 4am they started counting again. The one lady counting the ballots said it felt like a drug deal was taking place with so much shadiness taking place. 

Whether this is enough to overturn the election I don't know but it needs to be sorted out and fixed for next time or there will be serious trouble for our democracy and confidence in our election process. 

What is most discouraging is how many Republicans are telling Trump just to admit defeat and not to even challenge the results. This is the problem with Republicans (if they really are), they have no backbone. Like Rush Limbaugh said, they are the party of losing with dignity.

Essentially, we presently have a uni-Party and with 70% of Republican voters thinking the election was rigged that will be at least 50 million people who feel they can no longer trust the system and that we now live in a banana republic. This is not good.

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On 11/7/2020 at 7:52 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

I spent my adult life researching and gathering information for engineers, scientists, computer specialists, management, etc., etc. This conditioned me to examine ideas and issues carefully before coming to a decision. Thus, after doing this the last several days I have come to the conclusion that all the hubbub of voting counter fraud is not true. Why? Bear with me and I will give you my reasons. 

  • In the states controlled by Democrats almost no Republican politicians, party officials or leaders have said there was fraud. Most have remained mute or have said they have seen no instances of fraud. 
  • In Republican controlled states the report is the same. There is no sign of widespread fraud.
  • If the Democrats were as good at presidential fraud as some claim, then they would not have lost seats in the House of Representatives and they would have taken over the Senate.
  • Republican vote counting observers have not reported fraud.
  • Courts have throw out cases. They ask for evidence and none is provided. Guilt and innocence is determined by evidence, not accusations. 
  • The head of an international delegation monitoring the U.S. election says his team has no evidence to support President Donald Trump’s claims about alleged fraud involving mail-in absentee ballots. They have no axe to grind.
  •  FBI Director Christopher Wray testified to Congress on Thursday that the agency has not historically seen “any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election,”
  • Ben Hovland, appointed by Donald Tump as the head of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission said he has found no evidence of fraud.

This evidence had convinced me there is no widespread fraud in this election. 

Gathering information for scientists and engineers has no bearing on this whatsoever. Nobody cares. It's irrelevant when it comes to overthrowing the foundations of our country. 

Also, if you gather at corrupt sources your results will be corrupt.

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1 hour ago, SureWord said:

Gathering information for scientists and engineers has no bearing on this whatsoever. Nobody cares. It's irrelevant when it comes to overthrowing the foundations of our country. 

Also, if you gather at corrupt sources your results will be corrupt.

It has bearing in I know how to search for information. I have searched and searched and searched and so far I have found no one, Republican or Democratic election officials who say there was voter fraud. 

Now if you want to talk about a candidate who had reason to demand an investigation it was Nixon. But he said he knew he could demand an investigation and that it would take a year. But, he did not demand an investigation as the country could not afford to be without a recognized president for a year.

Face it. There was no widespread fraud. Now after the elections it has been reported that at least one GOP senators ask the attorney general of George if he could throw out legal votes. Now, that is asking for fraud after the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/georgia-secretary-of-state-lindsey-graham-ballots-cnntv/index.html

Concerning sources, I read sources on each side. I do stay away from extreme sources on both the left and the right. Neither are to be trusted.

 

 

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On 11/6/2020 at 5:04 PM, Alan said:

It seems to me that President Trump was on the way to win the presidential election by a wide margin. When the Democratic controlled  electoral process saw an obvious Trump win the States left ( Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Michigan), with a Democratic controlled electoral process stopped the election process, denied legal observers to observe the process, allowed ballots to come in after November 4th., and let a multitude of fraudulent ballots be counted for Biden.

Already as we speak, YouTube, the major news media, Twitter, etc.. is trying desperately to stop any rational discussion and legal remedy.

Here is a video for your consideration and information.

 

 

 

Unless the Juridical process stops this illegal method of the electoral process the United States will be considered a 'banana Republic,' that is run by the Socialists, Communists, anarchists, and anyone else with a personal vendetta against the Constitution of United States.

 

 

At Legal votes websitre, he actually has been reelected!

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The lawsuits in Pennsylvania, Michigan, hopefully, against the alleged voter fraud, and other lawsuits not named by Attorney Giuliani, hopefully will be heading for the Supreme Court.

https://www.foxnews.com/

Note: The video is under: " Politics: 'Mornings with Maria.' Giuliani: Two established vehicles ready to go to the Supreme Court."

 

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8 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

It has bearing in I know how to search for information. I have searched and searched and searched and so far I have found no one, Republican or Democratic election officials who say there was voter fraud. 

Now if you want to talk about a candidate who had reason to demand an investigation it was Nixon. But he said he knew he could demand an investigation and that it would take a year. But, he did not demand an investigation as the country could not afford to be without a recognized president for a year.

Face it. There was no widespread fraud. Now after the elections it has been reported that at least one GOP senators ask the attorney general of George if he could throw out legal votes. Now, that is asking for fraud after the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/georgia-secretary-of-state-lindsey-graham-ballots-cnntv/index.html

Concerning sources, I read sources on each side. I do stay away from extreme sources on both the left and the right. Neither are to be trusted.

 

 

50 million American disagree with you.

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15 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

And over 50 agree with me. 

50 people? 

You are missing my point. "Perception is reality" I think the old saying goes. If there is no fraud then why the fear of looking into it? Trump allowed the Dems, for 2 1/2 years, attempt to find some kind of non-existent Russian collusion when he could have fired Mueller but he allowed it to go on and on because he knew he hadn't colluded. 50 million people need to be assured there wasn't voter fraud via investigations and the SCOTUS not by some Republicrats and Democans saying there wasn't any "so now shut up and bow to China". 

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https://neonnettle.com/news/13219-fec-chair-drops-the-hammer-the-results-are-illegitimate-

 

For over a month back in the 2000 election, not a single Democrat complained that Gore was demanding recount after recount, and delayed conceding for that time. Not ONE democrat insisted our country would never recover, or that irreparable harm was being done to the democracy, (we aren't a democracy, but that that's a different point). But now, its been barely two weeks and Trump is DESTROYING AMERICA! 

As for proof, sheesh, I have seen at least 2 videos of poll workers admitting they destroyed ballots: one tore up a Trump ballot on screen, the other said he had personally destroyed over 10,000 ballots, and knew his fellow counters had done the same. Of course, now they say they were kidding, but, are they? Or are they just now realizing how stupid they were to admit what they were doing to social media? It is these things that can be used as clear evidence of, at least intent to commit fraud.

 

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57 minutes ago, SureWord said:

50 people? 

You are missing my point. "Perception is reality" I think the old saying goes. If there is no fraud then why the fear of looking into it? Trump allowed the Dems, for 2 1/2 years, attempt to find some kind of non-existent Russian collusion when he could have fired Mueller but he allowed it to go on and on because he knew he hadn't colluded. 50 million people need to be assured there wasn't voter fraud via investigations and the SCOTUS not by some Republicrats and Democans saying there wasn't any "so now shut up and bow to China". 

It is not that no one will not allow the looking for fraud. It is that Republican and Democratic officials say there is no fraud. Georgia is doing a recount. Let's see what they say. Trump's appointed official whose job was ensuring a smooth running election says there was no fraud. If a case is appealed up to the Supreme Court then they will either rule or not take it up. 

I thought civility was encouraged and enforced on this board. You last sentence is neither civil or polite. I would be ashamed of such a sentence if I had written it. 

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21 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

It is not that no one will not allow the looking for fraud. It is that Republican and Democratic officials say there is no fraud. Georgia is doing a recount. Let's see what they say. Trump's appointed official whose job was ensuring a smooth running election says there was no fraud. If a case is appealed up to the Supreme Court then they will either rule or not take it up. 

I thought civility was encouraged and enforced on this board. You last sentence is neither civil or polite. I would be ashamed of such a sentence if I had written it. 

You mean the Republicrats and Democans. We have a Uni-Party.

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3 hours ago, SureWord said:

You mean the Republicrats and Democans. We have a Uni-Party.

In large part, I agree. Trump had potential to be much better than either, and in fact, was better, but he kept some of the swamp denizens as advisors, which was a mistake. He DID need good advisors who understood politics better than he did, but he chose some poor ones. I think a second term would have given us a much better Trump.

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