False Religions and False Bibles: The Quran

[Alan 3,490]

False religions usually either start with a false prophet, or false teacher, and then usually, eventually, create a false Bible to supplant the real set of scriptures.

For example. The Mormons started with a false prophet (Joseph Smith) and wound up having a set of false scriptures, the Book of Mormon.

Mohammad, a false prophet, eventually had a false set of scriptures, the Quran, to supplant the real Bible. Here is the link to the Wikipedia article that has a more detailed history of the Quran.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Quran

Here is a somewhat abbreviated, but very good idea, of the Quran, by the David Wood website, "Acts17Aploigetices," that may give us more practical insight of the Quran, the author, Mohammad, and the results of obedience by the Muslims; Jihad, and the killing of the Apostates (non-Muslims).

 

Here is the link to the Wikipedia article, Sharia Law, how the Quran, the Muslims, want to replace the laws of all the countries of the world, including the Constitution of the United States, with Sharia Law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

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[Disciple.Luke 38]

It has been my opinion for several years that Joseph Smith had some knowledge of Islam because of the similarities.

Like you mentioned above - They say the Bible is corrupted and must be understood through a “new” scripture. They both talked about angels coming to them about the new scriptures they were to write, and both engaged  polygamy, etc. 
 

im sure Joseph found a book or heard about the Mohammed and I Islam and turned it into a Christian form. Obviously Joseph copied several groups like the baptism view of the Stone Campbell movement, and freemasonry for the temple concept. So I definitely think he  copied some of Islam in his “church”.

[1Timothy115 878]

Great topic...no time now...off to Morning Service. But I hope to look into it later in detail.

 

[DaChaser 17]

On 8/8/2020 at 10:26 PM, Disciple.Luke said:

It has been my opinion for several years that Joseph Smith had some knowledge of Islam because of the similarities.

Like you mentioned above - They say the Bible is corrupted and must be understood through a “new” scripture. They both talked about angels coming to them about the new scriptures they were to write, and both engaged  polygamy, etc. 
 

im sure Joseph found a book or heard about the Mohammed and I Islam and turned it into a Christian form. Obviously Joseph copied several groups like the baptism view of the Stone Campbell movement, and freemasonry for the temple concept. So I definitely think he  copied some of Islam in his “church”.

Muhhammed had contact with cultic fridge so called Christianity in his region, and also with the Jews on his areas, and from those groups, he cobbled together much of his material for the Koran.

That is why the references to Christians worshiping both Jesus and Mary as additional Gods, and also much of the material for the OT and jesus imported in from Jewish Apocrypha and Christian Gnostic texts!

On 8/9/2020 at 7:33 AM, 1Timothy115 said:

Great topic...no time now...off to Morning Service. But I hope to look into it later in detail.

 

In addition to Dav id wood, other must see sites would be ones hosted by jay Smith, Pfander films, Al fadi, CIRA, and Christian Prince!

[Disciple.Luke 38]

On 8/11/2020 at 6:19 AM, DaChaser said:

Muhhammed had contact with cultic fridge so called Christianity in his region, and also with the Jews on his areas, and from those groups, he cobbled together much of his material for the Koran.

That is why the references to Christians worshiping both Jesus and Mary as additional Gods, and also much of the material for the OT and jesus imported in from Jewish Apocrypha and Christian Gnostic texts!

In addition to Dav id wood, other must see sites would be ones hosted by jay Smith, Pfander films, Al fadi, CIRA, and Christian Prince!

Yes Muhammad apparently didn’t have much knowledge about Christianity. As you mention, then Quran believes that Mary was one part of the triune God.

[SureWord 187]

11 hours ago, Disciple.Luke said:

Yes Muhammad apparently didn’t have much knowledge about Christianity. As you mention, then Quran believes that Mary was one part of the triune God.

He apparently had some knowledge of the Christianity of those days though probably one based off of heretical views. He claimed to receive his vision from the angel Gabriel. His first wife was possibly a Roman Catholic who spent time in a convent. Wikipedia used to attest to this but has since scrubbed it out and locked down her entry. Alberto Rivera claimed she was though many doubt a lot about what he claimed. She had two cousin's who were Nestorian priests one of them being a convert of Muhammad and some have suggested he may have ghost written the Quran since Muhammad was illiterate. Muhammad did have one wife who was definitely a Coptic Christian.

I find it interesting also that Yasser Arafat's widow is Roman Catholic.

[DaChaser 17]

On 8/12/2020 at 5:48 PM, SureWord said:

He apparently had some knowledge of the Christianity of those days though probably one based off of heretical views. He claimed to receive his vision from the angel Gabriel. His first wife was possibly a Roman Catholic who spent time in a convent. Wikipedia used to attest to this but has since scrubbed it out and locked down her entry. Alberto Rivera claimed she was though many doubt a lot about what he claimed. She had two cousin's who were Nestorian priests one of them being a convert of Muhammad and some have suggested he may have ghost written the Quran since Muhammad was illiterate. Muhammad did have one wife who was definitely a Coptic Christian.

I find it interesting also that Yasser Arafat's widow is Roman Catholic.

He was coping from Jewish Fables.Apocraphy, and from Gnostic Christians!

[SureWord 187]

6 hours ago, DaChaser said:

He was coping from Jewish Fables.Apocraphy, and from Gnostic Christians!

Yes, apparently he was heavily influenced by a Arian priest.

[DaChaser 17]

19 hours ago, SureWord said:

Yes, apparently he was heavily influenced by a Arian priest.

Was that the Gnostic Christian priest that one of His wives sent him to once received his "revelations?"

[SureWord 187]

2 hours ago, DaChaser said:

Was that the Gnostic Christian priest that one of His wives sent him to once received his "revelations?"

I'm not sure of his name. I'll try to research more info on him when I get a chance but he was Arian and Mohammed did also have a cousin who was a Nestorian priest since the so-called Church if the East was prevalent in Arabia before he founded Islam.

[DaChaser 17]

11 hours ago, SureWord said:

I'm not sure of his name. I'll try to research more info on him when I get a chance but he was Arian and Mohammed did also have a cousin who was a Nestorian priest since the so-called Church if the East was prevalent in Arabia before he founded Islam.

 

11 hours ago, SureWord said:

I'm not sure of his name. I'll try to research more info on him when I get a chance but he was Arian and Mohammed did also have a cousin who was a Nestorian priest since the so-called Church if the East was prevalent in Arabia before he founded Islam.

Think same priest, as he was not a real Christian, but more Gnostic, and strange that Allah chose a pagan to reveal that Muhammad had received real revelations!

[SureWord 187]

6 hours ago, DaChaser said:

 

Think same priest, as he was not a real Christian, but more Gnostic, and strange that Allah chose a pagan to reveal that Muhammad had received real revelations!

Here's a few interesting quotes:

http://shoebat.com/2014/09/25/muhammad-founder-islam/

I just don't have time to delve deep into these things but I think it's safe to say that Muhammad was very familiar with early Christianity or at least a herectical version of it.

[Yeshuafan 10]

11 hours ago, SureWord said:

Here's a few interesting quotes:

http://shoebat.com/2014/09/25/muhammad-founder-islam/

I just don't have time to delve deep into these things but I think it's safe to say that Muhammad was very familiar with early Christianity or at least a herectical version of it.

Yes, and many feel now that he never really existed as we know him, that he was more of  a rfegent under Persian Emperor, who led an Arab rebellion, and that the Koran actually was not written at all by him, but was put together in 8/9 centuries!

[SureWord 187]

1 hour ago, Yeshuafan said:

Yes, and many feel now that he never really existed as we know him, that he was more of  a rfegent under Persian Emperor, who led an Arab rebellion, and that the Koran actually was not written at all by him, but was put together in 8/9 centuries!

Could be. It's interesting how often the Quran, and I believe the Hadith also, refers to him as being white. Whether this means lighter complexion as in comparison to other Arabs or he was white white as in Caucasian. I recall one referencing his tan line. Lawrence of Arabia proves that a white man could unite and lead Arab armies.

[Yeshuafan 10]

6 hours ago, SureWord said:

Could be. It's interesting how often the Quran, and I believe the Hadith also, refers to him as being white. Whether this means lighter complexion as in comparison to other Arabs or he was white white as in Caucasian. I recall one referencing his tan line. Lawrence of Arabia proves that a white man could unite and lead Arab armies.

The Koran is said to be roughly 70 % Aramiac in language, and many think was assembled much further North, in Iraq and Iran, and interesting that so little is really said about Muhammed in Koran!

And also interesting that Allah changes all saved to being White, and all going to hell to being Black!

Islam has placed far more blacks under slavery then US ever did, and yet Christianity os for Whites, and Islam for blacks then?

[robycop3 1]

  Moslems holler about there being so many English (& other languages) Bible translations, but they insist there's only one valid Koran version. But EACH BRANCH OF ISLAM HAS ITS OWN VERSION ! The Sunni, Shiite, & Wahabi each have their own version, & they're much more-different from each other than, say, the KJV & NIV Bibles are.

   And the Koran does not contain any prophecy, but Moslems still call Mohammed a prophet !

Edited December 6, 2020 by robycop3

[SureWord 187]

On 12/6/2020 at 8:54 AM, robycop3 said:

  Moslems holler about there being so many English (& other languages) Bible translations, but they insist there's only one valid Koran version. But EACH BRANCH OF ISLAM HAS ITS OWN VERSION ! The Sunni, Shiite, & Wahabi each have their own version, & they're much more-different from each other than, say, the KJV & NIV Bibles are.

   And the Koran does not contain any prophecy, but Moslems still call Mohammed a prophet !

I've read that the Quran only contains two prophecies. I haven't read the Quran. I might take a swing at it someday along with the Hadith.

Edited December 10, 2020 by SureWord

[robycop3 1]

 Been many years since I read a Koran; I coulda missed what prophecies it might have.

  I've been told that true Muslims don't recognize any translations of it to be "official"; the only one they recognize is an Arabic copy. never mind that most of the world they wanna convert doesn't speak nor read Arabic. (Except numerals.)

[Yeshuafan 10]

On 12/10/2020 at 10:13 AM, robycop3 said:

 Been many years since I read a Koran; I coulda missed what prophecies it might have.

  I've been told that true Muslims don't recognize any translations of it to be "official"; the only one they recognize is an Arabic copy. never mind that most of the world they wanna convert doesn't speak nor read Arabic. (Except numerals.)

What is really rocking the muslim world is now the truth that they always had 30 different Arabic Korans, not just the one eternal one Muhammad was supposed to have  received!

[Alan 3,490]

7 hours ago, Yeshuafan said:

What is really rocking the muslim world is now the truth that they always had 30 different Arabic Korans, not just the one eternal one Muhammad was supposed to have  received!

Wow! 30 different Arabic versions of the Koran! So much for the 'preservation' of the original.

[Yeshuafan 10]

16 hours ago, Alan said:

Wow! 30 different Arabic versions of the Koran! So much for the 'preservation' of the original.

The Muslim Clerics have known of this issue for over a thousand years, but just now being passed along to the rank and file!

[Alan 3,490]

5 hours ago, Yeshuafan said:

The Muslim Clerics have known of this issue for over a thousand years, but just now being passed along to the rank and file!

The concept of the Muslim clerics keeping the truth from the common person is one of the tactics of false religions and religious hierarchies.

I will use one well-known example: The Roman Catholic Church kept the scriptures from the common member for years and did the service in Latin in order to further keep the common member from the truth.

 

[Jim_Alaska 2,365]

This is quite true bro. Alan. The RCC forbade their parishioners to read the bible, the when that didn't work, they came out with their own version; The Douay Version. How well I remember the Mass being said in Latin as a child; my grandmother took me to Mass  every Sunday.

[Alan 3,490]

On 8/7/2020 at 8:09 AM, Alan said:

False religions usually either start with a false prophet, or false teacher, and then usually, eventually, create a false Bible to supplant the real set of scriptures.

For example. The Mormons started with a false prophet (Joseph Smith) and wound up having a set of false scriptures, the Book of Mormon.

Mohammad, a false prophet, eventually had a false set of scriptures, the Quran, to supplant the real Bible. Here is the link to the Wikipedia article that has a more detailed history of the Quran.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Quran

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Alan said:

The concept of the Muslim clerics keeping the truth from the common person is one of the tactics of false religions and religious hierarchies.

I will use one well-known example: The Roman Catholic Church kept the scriptures from the common member for years and did the service in Latin in order to further keep the common member from the truth.

 

 

12 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

This is quite true bro. Alan. The RCC forbade their parishioners to read the bible, the when that didn't work, they came out with their own version; The Douay Version. How well I remember the Mass being said in Latin as a child; my grandmother took me to Mass  every Sunday.

As I stated in the original post; eventually, most false religions will supplant the preserved word of God, the Bible, for their own set of scriptures.

Here is another example:

The Jehovah's Witnesses reject the AV, the KJV of 1611, and supplant it with the, "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures," in order to keep their members from the truth. And, as usual in every false Bible, in the Title Page, of the, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures," we read these words designed to deceive, "Rendered from the Original Languages by the New World Bible Translation Committee - Revised 1984."  1

As a word of testimony, early on in my Christian walk in life, after reading the Good News Bible in the Air Force (courtesy of the U. S. Air Force Chapel Ministry), and the NASV from a friend, I learned how to read the Title Page and Foreward very carefully and I found out that almost all of the new versions say the same thing but use some different wording. In my learning, all of the versions from the RV of 1881 are designed to deceive the reader from learning the truth of doctrines of the scriptures.

1  Watch Tower and Tract Society, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, (Brooklyn, NY: Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, 1961,1981, 1984), Title Page.

 

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[robycop3 1]

  The Jabroney False Witless "Bible came about in 1950 when Freddie Franz(Later the big kahoona of the watchtower) & his buddy Geroge gangas, a Greek Cypriot, sat down with the British Revised Version of 1881 & re-worded it to match JW doctrine. They knew they couldn't do that with the KJV, or American Standard, as they were too well-known.

  The NWT does NOT match the JWs own Interlinear Greek Version !

 

  Moslems are still trying to spread their religion, but TRUE Moslems don't recognize any non-Arabic Koran versions. As mosta the world  doesn't speak or read Arabic, that's holding them up, thankfully.