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Dozens of pastors across the Bible Belt have succumbed to coronavirus after churches and televangelists played down the pandemic and actively encouraged churchgoers to flout self-distancing guidelines.

As many as 30 church leaders from the nation's largest African American Pentecostal denomination have now been confirmed to have died in the outbreak, as members defied public health warnings to avoid large gatherings to prevent transmitting the virus.

 

Deaths across the US in areas where the Church of God in Christ has a presence have reportedly stemmed from funerals and other meetings among clergy and other church staff held during the pandemic.

 
 

The tragedy among one of the largest black Pentecostal groups follows a message of defiance from many American churches, particularly conservative Christian groups, to ignore state and local government mandates against group gatherings, with police increasingly called in to enforce the bans and hold preachers accountable.

 

The virus has had a wildly disproportionate impact among black congregations, many of which have relied on group worship.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bible-belt-us-coronavirus-pandemic-pastors-church-a9481226.html?fbclid=IwAR3h8RJ5yXHeonv5dIi2QW5gbVPwYxc-BNEgjdW15TZDap63t30Lip4LPOw

 

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Was one of them killed in a motorcycle accident because of Covid? 

Don't you understand they are putting Corona Virus on all the death certificates because the hospitals get more federal funding because of this?

And if what you posted is true NOBODY believes the media anymore because of the incessant lying they do and the hypocrisy of politicians who don't follow their own edicts and made excuses for the riots.

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16 hours ago, SureWord said:

Was one of them killed in a motorcycle accident because of Covid? 

Don't you understand they are putting Corona Virus on all the death certificates because the hospitals get more federal funding because of this?

And if what you posted is true NOBODY believes the media anymore because of the incessant lying they do and the hypocrisy of politicians who don't follow their own edicts and made excuses for the riots.

You reply has nothing to do with the pastors who denied there is a problem and have died as well as spread the virus among their congregation. I call that a fatal mistake.

I know lots of people have died unnecessarily because of Trump and his administration totally bungling the response to Covid-19. Now of course on any  issue you can come up with an exception or mistake. But that does not change the truth. Trump first denied there was a virus. They he said it would go away. In the end we have the worst record in combating the virus than any  country in the world. We should let scientists and the medical workers fight the virus. Politicians should get out of the way and stop making it worse.

 

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Why not find out what a few other countries did without shutting down,

and even better, what did the groups who did not die do during the previous (last 200 or more years) epidemics or plagues ?

Stopping a virus was shown around 1940-1960 by Linus Pauling, for one, and was not difficult.  duckduckgo search <virus, european clinics, vitamin>  yields amazing results covering such past pandemics and virus and bacterial events.

And how to effectively deal with them,  without masks, without drugs, without panic - simple effective "same old ways" as they used long ago.. (when they knew what to do)   which is now verboten/censored/ not seen on tv in usa....

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On 7/30/2020 at 6:02 AM, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

Why not find out what a few other countries did without shutting down,

and even better, what did the groups who did not die do during the previous (last 200 or more years) epidemics or plagues ?

Stopping a virus was shown around 1940-1960 by Linus Pauling, for one, and was not difficult.  duckduckgo search <virus, european clinics, vitamin>  yields amazing results covering such past pandemics and virus and bacterial events.

And how to effectively deal with them,  without masks, without drugs, without panic - simple effective "same old ways" as they used long ago.. (when they knew what to do)   which is now verboten/censored/ not seen on tv in usa....

And millions died.

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You don't stop viruses. Especially one that has mutated as much as this one (33 last count, a Nobel Prize winning viriologist from France, the guy who discovered the HIV virus, thinks the virus contains RNA from the HIV virus and it may have been an attempt to find a vaccine for HIV and it got out of the lab). They run their course and we develop immunity. It's a fact of life. I had the Russian flu (it's third time around in 80 years) when I was a child and it nearly fried my brain. Millions died from that virus but a whole nation's economy wasn't destroyed because of it.  Locking down life is not the way to handle it. And purposely putting sick patients into nursing homes is definitely not the way to handle. 

Anyway, we all know that the virus will miraculously go away if Biden wins and if Trump wins again the riots will cure it.

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A lot of news/ media/ science/ governments/ under control of pharmakeia have published endless body counts - how many died, in each city, country, hospital, from what (what they say),   etc etc etc ....

 

So ?

 

Death is not new.

 

Dying needlessly is not new.

 

Years ago I read the end of the BOOK.....   billions die.   Billions refuse to stop serving (worshiping) demons.    It's not a "pretty picture", is it ?

 

A few survive.  A few are saved.  Maybe millions,  maybe even a billion ? .....

With no worry.  No anxiety.  No fear of death at all. - ready any time to go.

A few know what to do (it has been this way since Moses and the Israelites were slaves in Egypt,  and likely before then) ....

 

So , then, what ?   Believe the system that is corrupt ?

 

Or believe God ?   Trust God ?   YES! HE IS FAITHFUL and TRUE!

Jesus was sent to heal, to save, those who were lost. 

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On 7/20/2020 at 6:04 PM, SureWord said:

Was one of them killed in a motorcycle accident because of Covid? 

Don't you understand they are putting Corona Virus on all the death certificates because the hospitals get more federal funding because of this?

And if what you posted is true NOBODY believes the media anymore because of the incessant lying they do and the hypocrisy of politicians who don't follow their own edicts and made excuses for the riots.

This was found to be true here in the Nashville area. Someone was hit by a car and killed near Nashville, and one of the things listed as "cause of death" was the coronavirus. It was horrifying to my wife and me. We also have heard of others who have had family members dying of cancer or a heart attack who have gotten the death certificate stating that the coronavirus is a contributing cause. They are threatening legal action against the county coroner, the doctor and the hospital for allowing this lie to go unchecked. 

I know here in the Middle Tennessee area, many people refused to wear masks and many didn't go along with the "social distancing" guidelines set forth by each county. I have to say that after the first few weeks and seeing all the evidence to the contrary of what Fauci and others were telling us, I threw away my mask. I found that when my wife and I went grocery shopping that many of the stores employees weren't even complying by wearing their mask correctly, and I pointed it out to their manager. He was upset because I wasn't wearing a mask, but he wasn't even wearing HIS mask correctly. I took pictures and sent them to corporate headquarters for the store. I also sent a text saying that I DID NOT wear a mask inside the store, nor would I. If they wanted to escort me out, they could. But, if they did, our business would go elsewhere. 

Now, I say all that to say this, we have had MANY family members who have had the virus, and all but one recovered. But, the one who didn't recover had been released from the VA in Columbus, OH as clear of the virus, and had two heart attacks two days after he was released and sent home. He had been on a ventilator for a couple of weeks in the VA, but had apparently recovered from the virus. When he was readmitted to the hospital for the region instead of the VA hospital, he was said to have the coronavirus again. I don't see how he could have had it again after being cleared by the VA hospital. They say you can't get it again that quickly. So, either the government has been lying to us all along and have proven that this is about the transfer of wealth and testing the limits of how much power they have over people, or the "pandemic" is true and we're at risk. The recovery rate is much too high for this to be named as a true "pandemic."  People die all the time from the flu, pneumonia, etc. I've tried not to be political about this, but, it boils down to the fact that things like this happened right before or around the time of the Russian Revolution, during or around the time that Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany, etc. There's a pattern there, and I'm on who learns better from history than one who trust the government. If they want to be honest, then I will relent. Until then, I can't. I don't feel that there's proof enough to follow those mandates. Most of the police I know won't arrest people for not following the mandates because they know that this is nothing more than a transfer of wealth and power, denigrating the Mom and Pop stores, forcing many out of work and into dependence upon the government for help, and a chance for the government to destroy the centers of worship. Of course, this is my humble opinion, but, I'm still alive, and I've been exposed MANY times, especially since my wife is a front-line worker in logistics. She hasn't gotten it either, though she's been exposed hundreds of times. I can tell you that I won't debate the cause, but I have to say that I will put my faith in God almighty over the word of our government any day.

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3 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

Now, I say all that to say this, we have had MANY family members who have had the virus, and all but one recovered.

I thnk someone told them that they had a virus.  However,  after

Watching for over a year,  looking for anyone, anywhere, any doctor,  any scientists,  any virologist,

to show by laboratory proof (medical proof without fraud or quessing)

that they had any virus at all.   Three times this year alone , on Seniorsonly Club,

the CDC published that NO ONE in the world has proven it is a virus causing any disease.   (and if anyone could, if anyone had the resources,  they sure would seem to be the ones to prove it or find it somewhere).

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I thnk someone told them that they had a virus.  However,  after

Watching for over a year,  looking for anyone, anywhere, any doctor,  any scientists,  any virologist,

to show by laboratory proof (medical proof without fraud or quessing)

that they had any virus at all.   Three times this year alone , on Seniorsonly Club,

the CDC published that NO ONE in the world has proven it is a virus causing any disease.   (and if anyone could, if anyone had the resources,  they sure would seem to be the ones to prove it or find it somewhere).

I've got several nieces who are nurses, and a nephew=in-law as well. Two of the nieces who are nurses have had "the virus," but one doctor I know says that it's not a virus at all, but a bacteria that is in the lungs. He used to work for Mayo and did his internship at John Hopkins years ago, and he says that the information that he tried to put out was blocked by the CDC and the NIH, and WHO wasn't too happy with him either. He know several Italian doctors who stopped treating it as a virus and they had their patients recover within 48-72 hours instead of weeks. They still have some residual affects, but they're doing much better than those who have been treated for this as a virus. I'm weighing all the evidence, but I won't post which one I believe it is here. My wife and I believe we had it back in Dec 2019. We had bloodwork done, and the doctors couldn't really describe what they saw. They told us that it wasn't the flu, pneumonia or anything they knew of. They put us on antibiotics and we both were sick for about three weeks (thankfully my wife was off those three weeks for vacation) and recovered well. I know my BIL was just released yesterday from the Order of St. Francis hospital in Peoria, IL and they said he had "Covid Pneumonia"  and that he might need to be on oxygen for a while. He' seems to be doing fine without it. Antibiotics and aspirin.  I hate talking about this thing, but it keeps people in fear, and I hate to see people in fear. Everyone has a set time to die, and they're not going to go before their time unless the Lord decides otherwise.

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It's always been known,  never a true secret.   I learned about it while working in pharmacies in four hospitals decades ago.   Doctors knew.  Pharmacists knew.

Interns knew.  Nurses knew (and helped the most people directing them out of the hospitals to real health providers.) .

Most people don't care.  They refuse - they don't want to know.  It costs too much and 'hurts' too much. (to admit the truth).

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16 hours ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

It's always been known,  never a true secret.   I learned about it while working in pharmacies in four hospitals decades ago.   Doctors knew.  Pharmacists knew.

Interns knew.  Nurses knew (and helped the most people directing them out of the hospitals to real health providers.) .

Most people don't care.  They refuse - they don't want to know.  It costs too much and 'hurts' too much. (to admit the truth).

I was thankful for our pharmacist. He told us straight off after we had been ill that he thought that it was a bacteria, not a virus. They kept saying to take penicillin in the doctors office, but I'm allergic to it, so I had to take another kind of antibiotic. It's a LOT slower working, but it did the trick. They wanted both my wife and I to get the flu shot at the doctors office, but we both declined to do so. We've had several friends who have passed away from Guilliume-Barr Syndrome (sp), and my sister was paralyzed for eight weeks and nearly died from her shot. She had to spend another eight weeks in a local recovery center. They made sure that she had enough strength to walk again and keep herself upright. I'm definitely not going through that. 

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On 7/21/2020 at 11:32 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

We should let scientists and the medical workers fight the virus. Politicians should get out of the way and stop making it worse.

Bill, did you come up with this on your own or did the same medical and techno-medical-politicians advise you that advised President Trump on what actions to take?

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The Lord has been good to me and I have decided after many months (actually since I had a mild virus in Dec. 2019) of observation and attention to outcomes that I will no longer wear the mask and will not consider having the covid-19 vaccine. I'm not tempting the Lord, I praise Him for the health and life I've had to date. I will praise Him eternally if He takes me home tonight.

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There's two books you can pick up on Amazon called Unreported Truths About Covid-19 by Alex Berenson who was a former NYT reporter. Covers death counts, lockdowns, masks and vaccines, all the relevant info from the CDC, WHO, etc. buried by the MSM. 

His books were banned by Amazon but they unbanned them probably because the loss of revenue.

 

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On 4/24/2021 at 8:38 PM, SureWord said:

There's two books you can pick up on Amazon called Unreported Truths About Covid-19 by Alex Berenson who was a former NYT reporter. Covers death counts, lockdowns, masks and vaccines, all the relevant info from the CDC, WHO, etc. buried by the MSM. 

His books were banned by Amazon but they unbanned them probably because the loss of revenue.

 

I've read SOME of the materials from these books. I have friends who purchased them. But, I don't spend a LOT of time reading books about C-19. I have too many relatives in the medical field, and I know too many doctors and pharmacists who never believed that this was a pandemic. I tend to agree with them just for the facts that the death rate that is allegedly FROM C-19 is greatly inflated and that the recovery rate from the "virus" is far too high for this to be considered a pandemic of any sort. The Health Care industry and many in the government tried to instill fear in people through the use of the MSM. This is a common tactic of the Socialists and Communists. It's part of the way they gained control in Russia in the early 1900s, the way that Hitler took Germany over and Mussolini gained control in Italy. People just don't want to learn from history. They'd rather repeat it.

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