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Jesus is NOT the archangel Michael !

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 In another site, I am having an "animated' discussion with a Seven-day-Adlibber who insists that Jesus is the archangel Michael, because that's what his guru, Ellen G. White, wrote. I proved to hin Scripturally that's false, but he still spreads that garbage. Here's the proof he's wrong:

Jude

Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Now, if Michael were the Lord, he wouldn't've called on the Lord to rebuke Satan !

 But JESUS, speaking to some Pharisees, didn't hesitate to revile Satan !

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 And, what angel did God ever call His Son ?

 

Just another of the SDA's false doctrines !

 

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44 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

because that's what his guru, Ellen G. White, wrote

Yet, the source of this theology is not Ellen G. White and the SDA, as it can be clearly found in the notes of the reformers in the Geneva bible. I wonder if this is not just an SDA doctrine but if other Catholic and Protestants still hold to this as well?

d. Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels.
a. Daniel 12:1 The Angel here noteth two things: first that the Church shall be in great affliction and trouble at Christ’s coming, and next that God will send his Angel to deliver it, whom here he calleth Michael, meaning Christ, which is published by the preaching of the Gospel.
n. Daniel 12:13 The Angel warneth the Prophet patiently to abide; till the time appointed come, signifying that he should depart this life, and rise again with the elect, when God had sufficiently humbled and purged his Church.

n. Revelation 12:7 Christ is the Prince of Angels, and head of the Church, who beareth that iron rod, the fifth verse. See the notes upon Daniel, Dan. 12:1. In this verse a description of the battle and of the victory in the two verses following. The Psalmist had respect unto this battle, Ps. 68:9, and Paul, Eph. 4:1 and Col. 2:15.

o. Revelation 12:8 The description of the victory, by denying of the thing in this verse, and by affirming the contrary in the next verse. As that Satan gained nothing in heaven but was by the power of God thrown down into the world, whereof he is the prince, Christ himself and his elected members standing still by the throne of God.

p. Revelation 12:8 They were cast out, so that they were never seen anymore in heaven.

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  But EGW adopted this false doctrine. Here's daniel 10:13 in the KJV :13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

 

 Jesus is NOT "one of the chief princes".  Jesus IS the Chief Prince of angels, & every other celestial being except His Father.  Whoever started the idea that Jesus is Michael was simply wrong.

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  Also, the Jabroney False Witlesses believe the same false doctrine. far as I know, Mor(m)ons don't even though they have a storefront Jesus of Joey Smith's & Brigand Young's creation.

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On 5/17/2020 at 4:55 PM, Ukulelemike said:

Spurgeon believed and taught it, as well.

 

Calvin and Him both used that term, but they both meant Jesus was God, not used in same way JW do!

On 5/18/2020 at 6:55 PM, robycop3 said:

  Also, the Jabroney False Witlesses believe the same false doctrine. far as I know, Mor(m)ons don't even though they have a storefront Jesus of Joey Smith's & Brigand Young's creation.

The "Prophetess" of the Sda declared that jesus was not the lord God Almighty, but was archangel Michael!

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5 minutes ago, DaChaser said:

Calvin and Him both used that term, but they both meant Jesus was God, not used in same way JW do!

"To what dignity are the chosen elevated when the brilliant courtiers of heaven become their willing servitors! Into what communion are we raised since we have intercourse with spotless celestials! How well are we defended since all the twenty- thousand chariots of God are armed for our deliverance! To whom do we owe all this? Let the Lord Jesus Christ be for ever endeared to us, for through him we are made to sit in heavenly places far above principalities and powers. He it is whose camp is round about them that fear him; he is the true Michael whose foot is upon the dragon. All hail, Jesus! thou Angel of Jehovah's presence, to thee this family offers its morning vows."  (Evening and Morning Pg 556)

Kind of sounds like Spurgeon taught Jesus was Michael. 

 

Or maybe the question is, Did Spurgeon believe and teach that Michael the angel was Jesus Christ?, not an angel at all, but God? Are they one and the same person? Either way, it is incorrect.

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7 minutes ago, Ukulelemike said:

"To what dignity are the chosen elevated when the brilliant courtiers of heaven become their willing servitors! Into what communion are we raised since we have intercourse with spotless celestials! How well are we defended since all the twenty- thousand chariots of God are armed for our deliverance! To whom do we owe all this? Let the Lord Jesus Christ be for ever endeared to us, for through him we are made to sit in heavenly places far above principalities and powers. He it is whose camp is round about them that fear him; he is the true Michael whose foot is upon the dragon. All hail, Jesus! thou Angel of Jehovah's presence, to thee this family offers its morning vows."  (Evening and Morning Pg 556)

Kind of sounds like Spurgeon taught Jesus was Michael. 

 

Or maybe the question is, Did Spurgeon believe and teach that Michael the angel was Jesus Christ?, not an angel at all, but God? Are they one and the same person? Either way, it is incorrect.

No, as Spurgeon was here adressing the truth that while Michael the angel had no reign over satan when disputing him, jesus does, and that He was the Angel of the Lord in the OT!

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  While "Jesus = Michael" started a long time before White acquired it,  she fell for it completely.

 Now, if they were arguing Jesus is Melchizedec,  I wouldn't argue against it, as Mel was clearly more more than a man. We must remember the precarnate Jesus visited Abe on at least one other occasion.

 But just-as-clearly, Jesus is NOT Michael !

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17 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  While "Jesus = Michael" started a long time before White acquired it,  she fell for it completely.

 Now, if they were arguing Jesus is Melchizedec,  I wouldn't argue against it, as Mel was clearly more more than a man. We must remember the precarnate Jesus visited Abe on at least one other occasion.

 But just-as-clearly, Jesus is NOT Michael !

EW stated that Jesus was not the lord God Almighty, so hard to see how the Sda can see this as legit!

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  EW  had a talent for demagoguery, & some writing skill. Her probs were with WHAT she wrote, & how it deceived, & continues to deceive, a number of people. Those folks take her writings as a 'second Gospel' & won't bother to check out their VERACITY.(Actually, LACK of veracity !)

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2 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  EW  had a talent for demagoguery, & some writing skill. Her probs were with WHAT she wrote, & how it deceived, & continues to deceive, a number of people. Those folks take her writings as a 'second Gospel' & won't bother to check out their VERACITY.(Actually, LACK of veracity !)

The worst thing is that she calimed that God Himself have her all of her visions and all of her words, but that was no tthe true God!

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  If one isn't a Christian, one does not have GOD'S armor against Satan's attacks & deceptions. EGW didn't have that armor. Satan can send deceptions & even visions, & only GOD'S armor can repel them.

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