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Why Do We Christians Have Christmas Trees When God Condemned the Christmas Tree In Jeremiah 10:1-15

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So, to sum it all up and answer the original question, Christians have Christmas trees in spite of Jeremiah 10 mostly because they WANT Christmas trees. Its that simple. I want a Christmas tree. Id like a Christmas tree. My last name literally is Noel. But scripture, without twisting, justifying, stretching and excusing says quite simply that God dont like it. So I suck it up and dont have one.

They preach against smoking, (not in the Bible) because they don't WANT smoking, ( body is a temple) but won't preach against Diet Coke, fried chicken and gluttony (which IS in the Bible) because they DO love to eat till they're bloated and fat. (I guess the body is no longer a temple?) See how it works?

They preach against long hair on men, which is never actually defined scriptually, but say nothing of the short hair often sported by their own wives,  again, neither defined in scripture. I'm offending them, I know, but I'm so tired of the self-righteous double standard of it all. Of all of us.

The church member is supposed to work a full time job, raise a family and drag themselves to every service the pastor decides to schedule, (NOT in scripture, I don't care how we twist and justify ourselves ) but how many pastors spend hours every week on their face, literally, in their office weeping and praying for those saints? (IS in scripture).

The answer is that your average IFB is no different from anyone else. We will usually find a way to make scripture fit what we want it to fit.

We will see who yelps the loudest. But I got a pretty good idea already. It's always the same ones. I just don't care anymore.

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How many of us do this?

Deuteronomy 11:18-21

18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:

21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.


I've been a Christian a long time...and I've been in many Christian's homes, but I've never once visited a Christian's home where they had God's word written on their door posts...never seen it written on their gates either (if they had one). Not to mention the fact that I don't know of any Christian who has taught their children God's word throughout each day...every day of every month of every year. Are we also accountable for that like we are about Christmas trees?

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11 hours ago, Invicta said:

But is it OK for us to celebrate Christmas in the first place?


On 12/31/2019 at 4:02 AM, No Nicolaitans said:

Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

In the area in which I live...if you were to ask the vast majority of people what the purpose of Christmas is...they would answer that it's to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

This year (at the commonly recognized time of Christmas), our son...who is 9 years old...wanted us to make a birthday cake for the Lord Jesus Christ. He didn't just ask; he begged us to.

Did I scold him, make him feel like it was a sin, and tell him what a heretic he was for wanting to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? No. No I didn't. I was proud of him.

So, we made a cake, decorated it, and celebrated the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ who was born into the world to save sinners. Then, we prayed together as a family on Christmas day...thanking the Father for making a way for us to be reconciled unto him through Christ.

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4 hours ago, weary warrior said:

But scripture, without twisting, justifying, stretching and excusing

Who twisted what scripture? Earlier, I compared scripture with scripture. Isn't that what we should do?

Good grief man...does it take a "workman" to chop down a tree? Does it take a "workman" to set it upright?

Any Tom, Dick, or Harry can do that.

However, it takes an actual "workman" to make something from the tree that he has chopped down.

I guess it doesn't matter that they worshipped it...right?

I guess it doesn't matter that it was their idol...right?

I guess it doesn't matter that they believed it could bless them or curse them...right?

You say you're tired of the self-righteous double standard of it all, but here you are dealing out the same. 

If a moderator wants to remove this comment, that's fine...I understand. However, you may be tired of it all, but you're tiredness doesn't compare to mine. I actually agree with you on some things.

...and if I "yelped the loudest", so be it. I don't give 2 cents whether someone has a tree in their house during "Christmas". What I do care about is whether someone accepts a legend...and uses that to condemn others...instead of comparing scripture with scripture.

...but that's me.

I'll never post in one of these stupid click-bait threads again.

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On 12/31/2019 at 5:36 PM, Invicta said:

But is it OK for us to celebrate Christmas in the first place?

I'm not the person to ask.

It may help to ask the multitude of heavenly hosts who celebrated his birth.

It may help to ask John the Baptist who leapt in the womb.

It may help to ask Abraham, who rejoiced to see his day.

It may help to ask the wise men or shepherds.

It may help to ask Mary or Elizabeth.

It may help to ask Gabriele.

Though you shouldn't ask me, it seems like there was a lot of celebrating going on concerning Christ's birth...

Sorry, I don't mean to be facetious, but this topic is out of control. Folks read a verse or two, and they assign a Christmas tree to it without reading the whole context...and without comparing scriptures...and automatically anyone who dares celebrate Christ's birth...and heaven forbid they should put up a Christmas tree...is a heathen and doesn't know what "God says about it". LOLOLOLOLOL!!! 

I think the one or two verser's need to step back and take a look at what they're promoting instead of condemning others.

I'm really glad and impressed that the person who started this thread has been "active" in it since it's his/her thread. I hope he's/she's happy with stirring the pot. Hope he/she has gotten a few good laughs out of it.

As I said before, we (used loosely) look for too many boogeymen in too many places. If a person doesn't want to celebrate Christ's birth, so be it. It they do, so be it.

I, for one, am extremely glad and thankful that Christ was born into the world to save sinners...and I celebrate that fact...and no one is going to shame me into submission for doing so, because they have a verse or two taken out of context.

Finally, yes I know that I haven't acted the best in this thread, but when I'm accused of twisting scripture...when I don't even give a flip about a Christmas tree...it kind of gets under my skin.

If I've offended anyone or set a bad example, I apologize.

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I am not offended.


I tend to follow Spurgeon on the subject in his commentary on Psalm 81, in The Treasury of David

Verse 3. Blow up the trumpet in the new moon. Announce the sacred month, the beginning of months, when the Lord brought his people out of the house of bondage. Clear and shrill let the summons be which calls all Israel to adore the Redeeming Lord. In the time appointed, on our solemn feast day. Obedience is to direct our worship, not whim and sentiment: God's appointment gives a solemnity to rites and times which no ceremonial pomp or hierarchical ordinance could confer. The Jews not only observed the ordained month, but that part of the month which had been divinely set apart. The Lord's people in the olden time welcomed the times appointed for worship; let us feel the same exultation, and never speak of the Sabbath as though it could be other than "a delight" and "honourable." Those who plead this passage will keep such feasts as the Lord appoints, but not those which Rome or Canterbury may ordain.

Verse 4. For this was a statute for Israel, and a law of the God of Jacob. It was a precept binding upon all the tribes that a sacred season should be set apart to commemorate the Lord's mercy; and truly it was but the Lord's due, he had a right and a claim to such special homage. When it can be proved that the observance of Christmas, Whitsuntide, and other Popish festivals was ever instituted by a divine statute, we also will attend to them, but not till then. It is as much our duty to reject the traditions of men, as to observe the ordinances of the Lord. We ask concerning every rite and rubric, "Is this a law of the God of Jacob?" and if it be not clearly so, it is of no authority with us, who walk in Christian liberty.



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On 12/27/2019 at 6:28 AM, PastorMatt said:

I have come to the same conclusion that the context of this passage is talking about worshiping idols.  While I respect those that hold to a no tree conviction, I disagree with it. I hear a lot about the paganism of it and that part I get, but I have yet to see someone not have tree because of its pagan background and hold that same conviction with our current calendar.... and don't get me started on the cross. 😂

Lol Yes, I think I agree. Although, maybe Jeremiah was just saying that gold covered Christmas trees were not acceptable for the Christmas celebration. I wonder if they had turkey for Christmas dinner or maybe it was goat as a sort of middle eastern adaption to the Roman Catholic version of Christmas, or the American version of Christmas.

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On 2/22/2020 at 11:26 AM, LYDIA WESTERN said:

Lol Yes, I think I agree. Although, maybe Jeremiah was just saying that gold covered Christmas trees were not acceptable for the Christmas celebration. I wonder if they had turkey for Christmas dinner or maybe it was goat as a sort of middle eastern adaption to the Roman Catholic version of Christmas, or the American version of Christmas.

There  was no Christmas in Jeremiah's day.

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