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Could Barack Obama be the Antichrist?

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Palatka, can you tell me, without assuming who the two prophets are, who in the context of Revelation 11 is being ressurected?? It does not say that it is the church being called up. It cannot be the Old and New Testaments, as they would not be "killed" and left in the streets. It is talking about two prophets. Who they are, the scripture does not say. But it seems clear to me they are two men. Not the church. And if they are not the church (which if you can provide scripture to prove they are, we can talk) then this is not when the church is taken up.

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Definitely those are the two prophets being raised...not the church. As a matter of fact, you cannot find the word "church" to describe anyone on earth after the church age ends at the end of chapter...3 I think that is...

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Palatka' date=' can you tell me, without assuming who the two prophets are, who in the context of Revelation 11 is being ressurected?? It does not say that it is the church being called up. It cannot be the Old and New Testaments, as they would not be "killed" and left in the streets. It is talking about two prophets. Who they are, the scripture does not say. But it seems clear to me they are two men. Not the church. And if they are not the church (which if you can provide scripture to prove they are, we can talk) then this is not when the church is taken up.[/quote']

Revelation 11
1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. First of all, John is instructed to measure the temple. This is a clear reference to the Church, (1 Corinthians 3:16&17
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. The Antichrist is not defiling a temple at Jerusalem made of stone. He comes out of the Church and attempts to destroy the temple of which you and I are.
See also 1Cor 6:16)
The temple is represented in both the Old Testament of Jesus Christ and the New Testament of Jesus Christ. Both testify of Christ. I do believe that these two witnesses are two men that represent both witnesses of Christ in the the Old Testament and in the New.
2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. For 2 1/2 years these two witnesses will wrangle with the Antichrist as is shown in verses 4-6.
4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Here we see that the testimony is finished. What did Jesus say? Matthew 24:14
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. The testimony of the Church is finished and the Antichrist is given authority to kill the two witnesses.
8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. The whole world is having a party because they think that the Church is the accuser of their sin. That is what these two are to them. Now they are free of them. They are dead and it is the new Christmas to the world. "At last peace and safety". Now comes "Sudden Destruction".
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. The context here is the resurrection. Remember these two witnesses are the embodiment of the whole testimony of Christ as is the Old Testament and New Testament are.
13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. Again, "Sudden Destruction".
14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Now after the resurrection of the witnesses everything switches to Heaven.
16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Now wrath is coming because we are saved from wrath. Wrath can only come when the Church is removed. In red you can see a reference to "Prophets and Saints" a direct pointing to the Old Testament and to the New Testament.
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.Well, would look at that! The temple that John was instructed to measure in verse 1 is now in Heaven in verse 19. And lest there be any more doubt about what that is, it is shown as containing the ark of His testament. One temple, two testaments (Old and New). One Bride (temple/Church) and one Lord two witnesses.

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Definitely those are the two prophets being raised...not the church. As a matter of fact' date=' you cannot find the word "church" to describe anyone on earth after the church age ends at the end of chapter...3 I think that is...[/quote']
You can not find The word Church but you have many references to Saints and temple. Plus the fact that Jesus told John in Chapter 22:16-18
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

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Back to the OP...

Barack Obama is married and has children and he does regard or at least publicly acknowledge God (or a god).


Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

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P- John is in Heaven this whole time, therefore the temple must also be in Heaven this whole time. When he measures the temple, he is not on earth.

The issue here is that you are not taking Revelation literally, but figuratively. What guidelines do you use, when studying your Bible, as to whether or not to take something literally or figuratively?

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The fact that John is to measure the temple shows he is dealing with a physical temple, not a spiritual one. Also, Daniel, the Gospels, 2 Thessalonians and Revelation all refer to a literal endtimes temple that will be defiled by the Antichrist. It is not referring to the church because the church was a mystery not even mentioned in the OT.

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P- John is in Heaven this whole time, therefore the temple must also be in Heaven this whole time. When he measures the temple, he is not on earth.

The issue here is that you are not taking Revelation literally, but figuratively. What guidelines do you use, when studying your Bible, as to whether or not to take something literally or figuratively?

So the Beast and the dragon are literal? Are they not a man/nation and Satan being referred to figuratively?

First of all I humble myself and pray for guidance. Then I look for context when reading. For example the phrase "Come up hither." Taken as it is you then must ask, who is being told to come up? Looking at the verse, we see that it is being directed at John. John was called up, not John and the seven Churches of chapters 1-3, just John. What then is he being called up to? To see the things that are future events. Sense God is the only one that can see future events (because it is He that has ordained the future) John can not come into the presence of God in the flesh so for him to be in the spirit is very reasonable. We do know that while John is in the spirit here yet he does not stay here. He has a Revelation to to share with the Churches. Therefore he is there for one purpose, to get God's Revelation of Christ return and the events surrounding that return and bring it back to the Churches (as is affirmed in chapter 22).
Revelation 4
1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.
2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

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Right...some is figurative, some is literal...you compare scripture with scripture to figure out which is which. Jerry is right in how he is interpreting it because he is looking at the entire Bible to explain Revelation.

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The fact that John is to measure the temple shows he is dealing with a physical temple' date=' not a spiritual one. Also, Daniel, the Gospels, 2 Thessalonians and Revelation all refer to a literal endtimes temple that will be defiled by the Antichrist. It is not referring to the church because the church was a mystery not even mentioned in the OT.[/quote']
Thank you Jerry, for your gracious reply. Just as there are two witnesses there will be a temple at Jerusalem. That temple will not be built to house the ark of the covenant nor be a place that God will fill with His smoke. It is built for one purpose. Remember what happened at Jerusalem when Jesus gave up the Ghost? The Earth quake then the rending of the vale that closed up the Holy Place. That temple is no longer honored by God. He will never dwell in a building built by man's hand again. The purpose of the temple at Jerusalem is for symbolic use by the Antichrist. The temple that God is concerned about is the Church. That is the temple that John measures. I have shown that John has said that Antichrist comes out of the Church. 1John 2:18&19. Then Antichrist introduces himself to the world as God by allowing the Jewish temple rebuilt. The Jews will be given a time of peace so this can be accomplished. They reject him when he goes into the "Holy Place" (actually it is not honored by God as such, sense the vale was rent). The only "Holy Place" honored by God now is where His Smoke (Holy Spirit) now fills the hearts of men.

The two witnesses are the Church.

Did not the Children of Israel contain the Temple?

Did not the Temple contain the Word of God as Law?

Is not the Church containing God's Word?

Is not the Law now written in the fleshly tables of the heart?

Therefore the Church is the temple that is called up in Rev chapter 11.

Now ask yourself this.

Why would God honor a temple built with hands again when He tore it open at His Son's death? The thing not honored can not be desecrated because it has no value to God or man.

The thing honored can only be the Church. It is the only thing that can be desecrated.

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Right...some is figurative' date=' some is literal...you compare scripture with scripture to figure out which is which. Jerry is right in how he is interpreting it because he is looking at the entire Bible to explain Revelation.[/quote']

:hmm And I am not?

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The Antichrist can't come into your heart and defile it (nor can he defile the whole "church") - however, he can defile a literal temple.

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The Antichrist can't come into your heart and defile it (nor can he defile the whole "church") - however' date=' he can defile a literal temple.[/quote']That is exactly what the people in Jeremiah's time thought about their temple. However the people of God were far from Him and God spewed them out and the temple was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar.

Jerry,

Thank you very much for your reply and may God's grace go with you. I can see that we are going to go back and forth with this from now until Christ does call us out. That timing is His and His alone to know. We can only do what John said in Revelation, "Even so come, Lord Jesus". When that Day is here I know that you and I will be standing with the Lord we love.

Now as to the subject of the thread (as I am guilty of derailing it, my apologies to the OP) I would like to say this, Daniel gives us this little bit of insight as to the Antichrist's s*xual orientation. Daniel 10:37
37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Unless Obama is in the closet, he does not met the criteria of that verse. However it would be amiss for me not to mention the world wide push to formalize Gay rights. The World is setting itself up for his coming in on the world stage. There are other verses that would show that he could not be him. His father is African and as such he is not of European descent. His mother is but I am not sure that counts as lineage in the Biblical sense. Besides, what makes anyone think that the Antichrist is American? I believe this type of question started with Reagan. All because his name fit the numbers.

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I am not saying that I think of Obama as being a candidate for the antichrist. Nor is what I am going to say a definite statement, but a question. As for Daniel 37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. It starts out by saying he will not regard the God of his fathers. It then says that he will not regard any god. Yet he will build the temple and walk in it. This to me says he outwardly will to begin with have a regard to God, but will then desacrate it. But then to my question. Several have said it cannot be Obama because of him being married. I am not saying this line is incorrect. But is it realy showing regard to the desire for women to openly say that sodomites should be able to marry?? That they should be looked on as being just as good as a straight individual?? Or have most all of our polatitions shown a lack of regard in pushing for sodomite rights??

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I am not saying that I think of Obama as being a candidate for the antichrist. Nor is what I am going to say a definite statement' date=' but a question. As for Daniel 37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. It starts out by saying he will not regard the God of his fathers. It then says that he will not regard any god. Yet he will build the temple and walk in it. This to me says he outwardly will to begin with have a regard to God, but will then desacrate it. But then to my question. Several have said it cannot be Obama because of him being married. I am not saying this line is incorrect. But is it realy showing regard to the desire for women to openly say that sodomites should be able to marry?? That they should be looked on as being just as good as a straight individual?? Or have most all of our polatitions shown a lack of regard in pushing for sodomite rights??[/quote']
What has caused God to bring Wrath upon a nation? Or on the whole world?
Homosexuality, witchcraft, Sacrifice of Children/babies, idolatry and self worship.

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Back to the OP...

Barack Obama is married and has children and he does regard or at least publicly acknowledge God (or a god).


Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Since verses 3 and 4 of Daniel 11 are without a doubt speaking of Alexander the Great, I don't see how verse 37 could be about the Anti-Christ, since the context is that it is about one of the successors to A the G.

Even if it were speaking about the Anti-Christ, there are several reasons this still wouldn't preclude BO. It's been rumored that he's actually a homosexual. If he's bisexual, then that would fit the verse. Also, it's conceivable that by the time he gains that much power, he'll could very well have disolved the institution of marriage (something Liberals have been dying to do), which would also then allow him to fit the description.

I've been seeing more and more how Obama actualy does fit the position and character of the anti-Christ. His church teaches that one can be both a Moslem and a Christian. He was raised as a Moslem (in spite of his denials) and the Moslem world behaves as if he's one of them. Therefore he could position himself as the unifier of all religions under one, a position Moslems would see as a route to convert everyone to Islam, since it's within the teachings of Islam to decieve peple in order to convert them to Islam. By the time they realize he won't be doing that, their key leaders could be swayed or killed so that the rest (as they've been violently taught) will follow along like lemmings.

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Politics never seems to amaze me :puzzled: He is bisexual? and a Muslim? the anti-christ? Remember, Vote for Bush he will help the Christian right! Has he? Vote for McCain because he attends what church? Talks about God?

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Not many people here like Mcain. What I have seen here is that most people here are real conservative independants. Correct me if I am wrong. I don't think Obama is the anti-christ. I know he is the most liberal in the senate and is pro-abortion. Anyone who says theys are pro-abortion in my book is not saved.

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From http://www.theamericanprowler.com/dsp_a ... t_id=13594 ...

Despite its being just five a.m. in Israel, the gallery was packed. The atmosphere was decidedly festive, the air crackling with anticipation. Yet none of this felt familiar or comfortable but was actually quite jarring. This was because of the two huge campaign posters dominating the foreground, with the Hebrew legend printed in what the Yiddish phrase calls "letters for reading by moonlight": BARACK OBAMA.

Seeing his name spelled out in that language, my mind naturally drifted to the wordplay possibilities. The Hebrew word BARACK means lightning, OH means or and BAMA means a platform, used in the Bible to refer to unauthorized altars, often idolatrous ones. "Lightning or an idolatrous altar?" Now there was a question that encapsulated the Barack Obama phenomenon very nicely.

To see this holiest place reduced to the theater of the ego was disconcerting....

I don't point out the likeliness because I don't like Obama, but because I see him fitting into exactly the kind of role I've always seen the anti-christ would have to fill in order to gain the power the Bible prophecies.

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The role? How about particulars? Is he part Jewish, does he come out of Europe? I can't think of the others right now - but that is a start.

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Besides' date=' what makes anyone think that the Antichrist is American? I believe this type of question started with Reagan. All because his name fit the numbers.[/quote']

It actually started before Reagan. Nixon's and Kissinger's names both fit the numbers, too. There was a lot of yammer about Kissinger because of his position, and his background. It fit alot closer than Obama's does. Obama is not of any kind of origin that would appease the Jews - unless there is something revealed one day that has been hidden. But I think if that were so, he would have already told it...even if it weren't so, if he thought people would buy it, like his grandfather at Auschwitz (he said in 2002) and this past year his uncle, whom he changed to his great-uncle, at Auschwitz -changed quickly to Buchenwald by an aid, 'cause everyone but Obama knows it was the Russians who liberated Auschwitz.

As McCain has said, Obama will do anything to win the election. There is a superstar quality to him right now because of the media hype. I don't believe the Anti-christ will splash on the scene like that. He will be someone that inspires trust. Obama doesn't. He inspires fainting spells and hysteria, but not trust. Even the news media has referred to him as messianic. But he can't be the Anti-christ because of his background. (although a student from Ruckman's school told us that the Anti-christ would be African...and this was back in the eighties. However, he also said that the Anti-Christ's girlfriend would have blonde hair and blue eyes...)

Jerry, you were posting as I was....

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It seems that every time someone runs for a political office in the US...people want to start throwing out the word "Anti-Christ". To my knowledge...all "true" born-again believers will be raptured first. :thumb I also understand that the Anti-Christ is supposed to be a highly intelligent political leader with all knowledge on all world religions. As Jerry stated, he is also going to be a Jew and a Roman. This leads me to believe that he will come directly out of the European Union. The false prophet...will come out of the Vatican, as I understand. JMO.

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