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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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14 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Now you're making a statement that is more clear and concise.

Well, I said that you needed to stop doing it. Along with your disrespectful rendering of people's names in God's word, and your abbreviated hip-speak; your analogies fall short of their intended purposes...

Actually, you've been shown (in this thread from scripture) that there are other sources...

Psa 19:1 KJV To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Psa 97:6 KJV The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.

Rom 1:19-20 KJV 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 2:14-15 KJV 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Sounds to me like God says there are other sources...

As quoted, God uses/has used  other means to reveal Himself, but I would still say that His greatest revelation to the English-Speaking people was in our A.V and the missionary activities that emanated from this translation (Ro 10:17).

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4 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Which God was God talking about? Was it God, or was it a god? Where does it say that the people mentioned in Romans only knew about him as taught by someone who knew him?

Seems to me that God is speaking about himself...not some other god.

 With all due respect - Did any of them write about THE God before hearing about Him from someone who knew Him ?

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3 hours ago, weary warrior said:

I'm gonna take a wild guess here. I could be wrong, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that robycop3 has some strong Peter S. Rickman influence in his background.

 I'm assuming, Sir, you meant RUckman.

Actually, I'm likely the antithesis of the late Dr. Ruckman.  I'm not permitted to discuss why that'so on this board, but over on the Baptist Board, or the Christian Theology board, I'll be glad to discuss it.

 

  Dr. Ruckman lost all credibility with me when I read his book, Mark Of The Beast, in which he says the antichrist will be a 10-ft. tall space alien  with huge black lips, who will impart the 'mark' with a kiss from those lips.

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3 hours ago, robycop3 said:

 With all due respect - Did any of them write about THE God before hearing about Him from someone who knew Him ?

You're arguing against God's word...not me. 

The quoted verses of scripture...of which you are sola...are very plain regarding what they say on this matter and about Whom they pertain to...yet you argue against them.

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9 hours ago, robycop3 said:

 I'm assuming, Sir, you meant RUckman.

Actually, I'm likely the antithesis of the late Dr. Ruckman.  I'm not permitted to discuss why that'so on this board, but over on the Baptist Board, or the Christian Theology board, I'll be glad to discuss it.

 

  Dr. Ruckman lost all credibility with me when I read his book, Mark Of The Beast, in which he says the antichrist will be a 10-ft. tall space alien  with huge black lips, who will impart the 'mark' with a kiss from those lips.

Yes, I meant Ruckman. I actually typed Ruckman. But I type all of these posts on a cheap $38.00 Wal-Mart phone, and auto-correct is not my friend.

I knew you had read after him some time in your past. It's so obvious.

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On 11/20/2019 at 10:57 PM, robycop3 said:

  Appears there are less Roman catholic visitors here than there are on the "Baptist Board".  There, they insist Scripture PLUS 'TRADITION" & SACRAMENTS is the highest earthly authority, along with the pope speaking ex cathedra. This, of course, is phony as a Chevy Mustang.

And then you have the Jewish Oral traditions, that supposedly God wanted NOT written, but passed verbally through generations...yeah, we can trust THAT. The Mishna, the Talmud, the Kabballah, the various rabbinic writings, most are held as equal to written scripture/Torah. 

As for Chevy Mustangs, yeah you saw one exists, but really, is it any better than an NIV saying it's a bible? lol.

 

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As for the OP, I believe that once the Lord completed his written word, Sola Scriptura because the SOP. Clearly, the heavens declare the glory of God, but they don't tell us ABOUT Him, who He is and His attributes, they merely affirm His existence and His power. But of course, before the completion of the written word, God used all kinds of methods, prophets, personal revelation, angels, an ass, priests, and methods we really aren't even privy to, such as how He dealt with the people of Canaan while the Hebrews were in Egypt-we know He had priests, like Melchezidek and Jethro, but did he give a written word and laws for them? Or did he work through prophecy and revelation specifically? We don't know because that was for them, not us.  

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11 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

And then you have the Jewish Oral traditions, that supposedly God wanted NOT written, but passed verbally through generations...yeah, we can trust THAT. The Mishna, the Talmud, the Kabballah, the various rabbinic writings, most are held as equal to written scripture/Torah. 

As for Chevy Mustangs, yeah you saw one exists, but really, is it any better than an NIV saying it's a bible? lol.

 

  But, how TRUE is it?  Remember, most Jews reject the Messiah, & look forward to building a new temple in Jerusalem & resuming animal sacrifices. So, how far can we gentiles believe their oral traditions? About as far as we Baptists can believe the Catholic ones.

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Let me clarify my position...

I personally believe that God's word is our greatest source of knowledge regarding God.

However, Robycop (in my understanding of his post) said there was no other...cough cough..."intel" about God. God's word disagrees.

In fact, the verses that I quoted from Romans 1 are very clear. The knowledge of God is so clear, that it is MANIFEST in man...and men are without excuse.

Don't ask me to explain it, because I can't. However, I believe God.

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Many of the first Christians would not have known about Christ from scripture.  The average gentile would not have been intimately familiar with Hebrew scripture.  They might have been illiterate.  They learned about Christ from a preacher.  Paul asked, how will they know if someone does not tell them?  After hearing and believing, the indwelling Holy Spirit helped them understand.

Maybe we should say the truth is found in scripture and accurate preaching is based on scripture but reading scripture is not the only way to reach truth.  Scripture- based preaching is reinforced by the Spirit.

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11 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  But, how TRUE is it?  Remember, most Jews reject the Messiah, & look forward to building a new temple in Jerusalem & resuming animal sacrifices. So, how far can we gentiles believe their oral traditions? About as far as we Baptists can believe the Catholic ones.

I wasn't saying they ARE true: I was using them as further examples like the Catholic use of tradition as being equal to/superior to scripture. I don't suspect much if any is true, especially since the LORD Himself told the Jews NOT to add nor take from the written word He gave to Moses, yet in their rabbinic texts, Mishna, Talmud, etc, they did just that.

 

3 hours ago, JimR said:

Many of the first Christians would not have known about Christ from scripture.  The average gentile would not have been intimately familiar with Hebrew scripture.  They might have been illiterate.  They learned about Christ from a preacher.  Paul asked, how will they know if someone does not tell them?  After hearing and believing, the indwelling Holy Spirit helped them understand.

Maybe we should say the truth is found in scripture and accurate preaching is based on scripture but reading scripture is not the only way to reach truth.  Scripture- based preaching is reinforced by the Spirit.

I believe today the Lord has given believers three tools for Christian growth and maturity: The written word of God, the local church (the preaching of the word of God), and the Spirit of God. All three are necessary to properly grow as a child of God; if we willingly reject to do even one, while using the other two, (no church, just read and pray), one will fall into apostasy, or at least, cease from growing. 

Now, in cases where one cannot utilize all three, (no {good} churches around, in prison, limited access to scripture, etc), then God will bless what we CAN do, if we DO it. But if we have all three, then we need to use all three.  

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Ukelelmike,

Another issue is declining literacy.  I teach grad students online and can attest that degree inflation along with the digital culture has greatly reduced reading comprehension.  People cannot read, understand or remember even one page of instructions.  How then can they be expected to read and comprehend the bible?  Attention spans, including my own, have shortened.  People need preaching more than ever but preachers must learn to keep it short.

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9 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Let me clarify my position...

I personally believe that God's word is our greatest source of knowledge regarding God.

However, Robycop (in my understanding of his post) said there was no other...cough cough..."intel" about God. God's word disagrees.

In fact, the verses that I quoted from Romans 1 are very clear. The knowledge of God is so clear, that it is MANIFEST in man...and men are without excuse.

Don't ask me to explain it, because I can't. However, I believe God.

  Ah, but such manifestation tells people there IS a God, but nothing about THE God. However, God said he counted the good deeds & intent of such people as righteousness. But there are very few people in the world today that haven't heard of THE God.

2 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

I wasn't saying they ARE true: I was using them as further examples like the Catholic use of tradition as being equal to/superior to scripture. I don't suspect much if any is true, especially since the LORD Himself told the Jews NOT to add nor take from the written word He gave to Moses, yet in their rabbinic texts, Mishna, Talmud, etc, they did just that.

 

I believe today the Lord has given believers three tools for Christian growth and maturity: The written word of God, the local church (the preaching of the word of God), and the Spirit of God. All three are necessary to properly grow as a child of God; if we willingly reject to do even one, while using the other two, (no church, just read and pray), one will fall into apostasy, or at least, cease from growing. 

Now, in cases where one cannot utilize all three, (no {good} churches around, in prison, limited access to scripture, etc), then God will bless what we CAN do, if we DO it. But if we have all three, then we need to use all three.  

  Many people today have learned of Jesus from a preacher, Granny, best friend, spouse, etc.  & have been saved without even reading a Bible. But the ULTIMATE source those people have employed has been Scripture.

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13 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  Ah, but such manifestation tells people there IS a God, but nothing about THE God. However, God said he counted the good deeds & intent of such people as righteousness. But there are very few people in the world today that haven't heard of THE God.

Why are you picking on this one scripture that I posted? What about the others?

13 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  Ah, but such manifestation tells people there IS a God, but nothing about THE God.

That IS NOT what the scripture says...is says quite the opposite.

Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Looks to me as though that...which...may...be...known  OF  God is manifest in them...NOT the knowledge that there is a God. What can be known of God? A lot.

How did that which may be known OF God manifest IN them? Did they read scripture? It doesn't say, does it? I will assume that this is referring to Gentiles since Paul is writing to the Romans. Did the Gentiles have scripture? No. All that it says (in verse 21) is that at one time, they knew God. How? God showed them...that's how. How did he show them? Verse 20...that's how. They knew his eternal power and Godhead. Sounds like a lot more than just knowing that there is a God...

...and they are without excuse.**

** Now explain that away.

 

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2 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Why are you picking on this one scripture that I posted? What about the others?

That IS NOT what the scripture says...is says quite the opposite.

Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Looks to me as though that...which...may...be...known  OF  God is manifest in them...NOT the knowledge that there is a God. What can be known of God? A lot.

How did that which may be known OF God manifest IN them? Did they read scripture? It doesn't say, does it? I will assume that this is referring to Gentiles since Paul is writing to the Romans. Did the Gentiles have scripture? No. All that it says (in verse 21) is that at one time, they knew God. How? God showed them...that's how. How did he show them? Verse 20...that's how. They knew his eternal power and Godhead. Sounds like a lot more than just knowing that there is a God...

...and they are without excuse.**

** Now explain that away.

 

EASY !

  Ever seen any ancient writings from such people that, not having been preached to by a missionary of God's, written about THE God?  Did any pre-missionary American Indians ever speak of Him ?

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49 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

EASY !

  Ever seen any ancient writings from such people that, not having been preached to by a missionary of God's, written about THE God?  Did any pre-missionary American Indians ever speak of Him ?

That's not what it says...

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So, which "God" is being referenced in Romans 1:19?  The same "God" that is referenced in Romans 1:18, since Romans 1:19 is grammatically a part of the same sentence as Romans 1:18.  That sentence begins at the beginning of Romans 1:18 and ends at the end of Romans 1:19.  So then, who is this God?  He is the God who reveals His wrath "from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men." (See Romans 1:18).  To me that sure seems like a reference unto THE God of heaven and of all-holiness.

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On 11/18/2019 at 4:26 PM, robycop3 said:

I am Sola Scriptura, as, doubtlessly, many other people here are also. That is, we believe that ALL our intel about God, & ALL His commands to us come from Scripture only, &  we don't believe any precepts or commands of worship not found in Scripture.

Sola Scriptura was only one of the five Solas of the reformation.  They are  Sola Scriptura, Sola Christus, Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, and Sola Deo Gloria.

Scripture alone, Christ alone, Grace alone, Faith alone, The Glory of God alone.

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Today i listened to a baptist sermon from Oak Creek WI.  Pretty sure the preacher was saying that being born again is an experience that you should be able to remember.  Perhaps not the exact day but likely the year and the place.  If so,  then that sounds like more than “scripture alone.”  If becoming a saved Christian requires an experience, then this is “scripture +”.  He also said a changed lifestyle is necessary to show the person really has converted. For that reason, he wants both a testimony and a delay as well as catechism prior to baptism and acceptance into church membership.

I wonder how many Independent baptist pastors would agree.  Can every saved Christian recall a conversion experience?  And how long do you want to wait before you baptize?

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On ‎11‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 11:26 AM, robycop3 said:

  I am Sola Scriptura, as, doubtlessly, many other people here are also. That is, we believe that ALL our intel about God, & ALL His commands to us come from Scripture only, &  we don't believe any precepts or commands of worship not found in Scripture.

 

  Anyone who believes otherwise, can you  show us any other legitimate source of intel about God, or any of His commands not found in Scripture ?

Any who would think otherwise would have to be a non Baptist!

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