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  I know that some branches of Amish don't believe one is saved while here on earth, but if one lives the Amish lifestyle faithfully enough, he/she MIGHT be saved by Jesus after death. I'm wondering if there are any actual Amish who believe the TRUE GOSPEL of Jesus? (I know some Mennonites do.)

   Also, there's NO Scriptural support for living primitively. After all, God said that in the end times, knowledge shall increase.

  So, evidently, the Amish don't believe a lot of the Bibles they use, generally the German Martin Luther version, or the KJV and NIV in English. All those versions have the TRUE Gospel in them.

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Do the Amish live simply because they believe it will somehow work towards their salvation, or because they are choosing to eschew the temptations of the world? There's nothing wrong with the second option (albeit one can probably eschew temptation while still utilizing some modern conveniences). It's not really a spiritual issue - after all, there's no Scriptural support for not living simply either.  The statement that 'knowledge shall increase' is merely a statement of fact, not direction for living. 

 

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  There are a number of Amish in my 'hood. they are the ones who told me of their beliefs about salvation. From what I gather, their brand of salvation is entirely works-based.

  To their credit, they've never tried to "convert" anyone around here to their way, but they really need to hear the TRUE Gospel.  What they have now is based upon the beliefs & theories of their founder, Jakob Amman, from whom they derive their name.

  Far as I'm concerned, they're not some kind of "super-Christian", but are just another quasi/pseudo-Christian cult.

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How did a-mish, I mean I miss, this thread?

It isn’t the fact that they try to live without modern technology, it is that they enforce it as a rule (whether of salvation or as a way of acceptance in their society - going against these man-made rules gets you shunned by their community). Either way it is bondage and legalism and goes beyond the bounds of Scripture. From what I know of them, this is a hindrance to them accepting salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ solely by grace through faith. I have met many old school mennonites that are the same way. Not all are though - unfortunately, now many contemporary mennonites are now embracing ecumenicalism and every heresy under the sun. Praise the Lord for those who are truly saved and clinging to God’s Word (to whatever extent they are being faithful to it - of course, if they fully embraced/believed the Scriptures, they would be Baptists! I say that as a reality - in regards to doctrinal beliefs, not their names, as I believe the Baptist Distinctives are Biblical.)

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  there are several branches of Mennonites as well. Some are as apostate as Muslims, but the ones around here that I've spoken with seem to believe the Gospel and in salvation by faith.

  They're named after Menno Simons (1492-1561) of Friesland, now part of The Netherlands, a RCC priest who became an Anabaptist. Most believe in salvation thru Jesus, the Bible's authority, adult baptism, and the Holy Trinity. They correctly believe that LGBTQ people can be saved if one renounced that lifestyle as part of repentance. (But unfortunately, some Mennonite pastors conduct LBGTQ weddings!) And, they do have more than one openly-gay pastor. (Depends upon the branch. Most do not accept this.)

  Their heterodox beliefs & practices include no military service nor fighting, period, no holding political office nor voting,  & swearing of oaths, (but never deliberately lying in the slightest). Some branches dress as Amish do, as well as often using horse-drawn buggies (but not all the time), which often gets them confused with Amish.

 

  If one is considering becoming a Mennonite, I strongly recommend one to check out the beliefs & practices of the group they're considering. Remember, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT SINFUL TO BE IN THE MILITARY, NOR TO DEFEND ONE'S FAMILY, PROPERTY, OR SELF! Nor is it sinful to vote or hold political office.  Those are MAN-MADE rules & should be disregarded by all Christians.

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  To me, "apostate" means rejecting a religious system, and Muslims certainly reject Christianity, some of them to the point of murdering Christians for being Christians. I believe most Muslims know the Gospel exists, but they don't believe a word of it.

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Shouldn't really make up your own meanings to words.....

That is what most of the cults do - they make up their own definitions for words and then say they agree with you. (Applying their own definition)

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We have many Mennonites in our area, and we are friends with some. In fact, we just visited them, as they have a bunch of commercial-sized greenhouses and they grow and sell plants-we just bought stuff for our garden. We also buy hay from them when we have goats, because they deliver. very nice folks, prayed a lot for my wife when she was in the hospital recently, and they were so tickled to see her back recently.  We haven't much talked faith with them as our visits are usually quick and busy, but I know they keep gospel signs all over their property. The only issues I would have with them is the demands on clothing, men must wear suspenders and women the cape dresses and bonnets, but these are clearly issues of freedom, if they are okay with them, and not a sin issue.  One day I would like to get them when not too busy to speak on things spiritual.

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  As I've said before, all MAN-MADE rules of faith/worship should be ignored by all REAL Christians. Most Amish branches are chock-full of them, as are several Mennonite branches.

  A while back, some  Mennonites asked me about IFB beliefs, & I told them that my particular IFB church, while not speaking for ALL IFB churches, accepts ONLY THE BIBLE as its SOLE authority on earth in all matters of faith/worship, & believes nor follows ANY MAN-MADE RULES of faith/worship. One asked me "why?" & I replied, "Why NOT? Does any MAN actually speak for GOD?" They asked no more questions.

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  I saw recently that a coupla Amish men fled on foot from the cops who were pulling over their buggy for erratic steering. The men left behind evidence they'd been drinking alcohol heavily in their buggy. Now, the cops are stuck with the buggy & horse for now. (I don't know what branch of Amish they are.)

  OTOI, I have a friend who just had a home partially built by Amish. They built all the framework & installed all the doors & inside walls, as well as the roof & outside walls. They paused while infrastructure for electrical & plumbing/sewage was installed by other contractors. Then, they finished.

 They were brought to work in trucks each AM & picked up by the same trucks each eve. Using all hand tools, their work was of the highest quality. Their price was more-than-fair.

 

  Unfortunately, they're among the hardest people to lead to Christ. I've had more success with moonies and Moslems.  Hard to change people who believe they're already saved !

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