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  Simple truth is, Jesus was crucified on a WEDNESDAY. There's simply no way to get three days & three nights from Friday to Sunday AM, even with Jesus being resurrected DURING the 3rd day. Good Friday is a bogus holiday, man-made by the RCC.

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We are not commanded to remember the days, but remember our Lord's death at the Loed's Supper, as often as you do it..  Christ is our passover, and it we should celebrate it we shoudl celebrate it at Passover..  Easter is not passover, it is a papal invention to get the church to celebrate the pagan spring festival.  

This year passover begins this evening, next year it is a couple of days different in 2021 passover is nearly a week earlier than Easter.

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15 minutes ago, Invicta said:

Easter is not passover, it is a papal invention to get the church to celebrate the pagan spring festival. 

Easter is not pagan. It simply means "to rise in the East" and is a early Christian reference to the resurrection morning, which they memorialized at the end of their Passover week. Her is a good link from Brother Will Kinney's website that ducuments the proper meaning of the work and why the pagan myth is in error: https://brandplucked.webs.com/easter.htm?fbclid=IwAR3vdsm5pUf08BLNz8IEoA-pwQDxnsyiZc7tG9M_1FFFFRQb3DAuKoPNxf0

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On 4/19/2019 at 10:09 PM, John Young said:

Easter is not pagan. It simply means "to rise in the East" and is a early Christian reference to the resurrection morning, which they memorialized at the end of their Passover week. Her is a good link from Brother Will Kinney's website that ducuments the proper meaning of the work and why the pagan myth is in error: https://brandplucked.webs.com/easter.htm?fbclid=IwAR3vdsm5pUf08BLNz8IEoA-pwQDxnsyiZc7tG9M_1FFFFRQb3DAuKoPNxf0

Easter is still not passover.  The resurection was in the evening as the Sabbath was approaching.

  • Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

The women got to the tomb when it was dark.

  • John 20:1The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

So your resurrection morning quote is not correct.

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1 hour ago, Invicta said:

Easter is still not passover.  The resurection was in the evening as the Sabbath was approaching. Its the last event in the Christian's Passover week of unleavened bread. The Passover (Lord's Supper) is eaten near the beginning of the week, Christ is crucified as our Passover lamb, and then three days later on the first day of the next week we celebrate Easter Morning. 

  • Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

The women got to the tomb when it was dark. okay, so?

  • John 20:1The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

So your resurrection morning quote is not correct. It says "as it began to dawn"

 

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John, I am no friend to invicta, but you cannot accuse him of a misquote when he has not done so:

John 20

 1  The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

It was yet dark and the stone was taken away - the implications of that I will not comment on, but his quote is correct.

And by the way, Christians do not have a "Passover week of unleavened bread".

Catholics do something like it when they eat pancakes........

But not Christians.

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2 hours ago, DaveW said:

John, I am no friend to invicta, but you cannot accuse him of a misquote when he has not done so.

In the quote his words are in black and mine are in red. Scripture that I reposted is in green. I didn't accuse him of anything.

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2 hours ago, DaveW said:

And by the way, Christians do not have a "Passover week of unleavened bread".

We don't but that's what the Passover week is called in scripture.

Luke 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.

2 Chronicles 35:17 And the children of Israel that were present kept the passover at that time, and the feast of unleavened bread seven days.

Ezekiel 45:21 In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

Matthew 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?

Mark 14:1 After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.

Mark 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

 

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5 hours ago, Invicta said:

The resurection was in the evening as the Sabbath was approaching. 

Are you saying that Jesus' resurrection was on Friday before dark? The Jewish sabbath starts on our Friday night at dusk. 

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2 hours ago, John Young said:

In the quote his words are in black and mine are in red. Scripture that I reposted is in green. I didn't accuse him of anything.

Apologies - it is confusing the way it is laid out.

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The only thing that can be said for certain is that the tomb was empty when the ladies arrived at the tomb before dawn.

The actual time of the resurrection is not precisely defined, only the time that the tomb was found open.

I might suggest though that Wednesday, Thursday,  or Friday for the burial, is not as important as the fact that the tomb is indeed empty.

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Of course, the fact that Jesus arose is of primary importance - but whether Jesus was in the tomb for 3 literal 24 hour days or not is pretty important as well. It comes down to whether people take the Bible and Bible prophecy literal or not. In a few other threads on these boards, we see interpretation problems arising when people take end time prophecy in a non-literal way.

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Fixing a typo

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On 4/21/2019 at 11:03 AM, John Young said:

We don't but that's what the Passover week is called in scripture.

Yes but you clearly denote it as:

On 4/21/2019 at 7:23 AM, John Young said:

Its the last event in the Christian's Passover week of unleavened bread. 

Christians don't have a "passover week of unleavened bread". It is not accurate. It is not a true statement. It is a confusing statement. It in no way relates anything official in Christianity. Christians and nowhere commanded to keep Passover nor the feast of unleavened bread. They are not Christian memorials, they are Jewish memorials.

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56 minutes ago, DaveW said:

Christians don't have a "passover week of unleavened bread". It is not accurate. It is not a true statement. It is a confusing statement. It in no way relates anything official in Christianity. Christians and nowhere commanded to keep Passover nor the feast of unleavened bread. They are not Christian memorials, they are Jewish memorials.

We Gentiles don't but the Early Christian JEWS of Jerusalem did in Acts 12. They kept the Passover week as part of their National traditions and celebrated Easter (Resurrection Morning) at the end of those events. Remember Christian Jews were still doing all their national events and traditions, including Paul who kept many feast in Jerusalem and even took a Nazareit vow the whole of his third missionary journey then went to the temple, under the instruction of James and the Church to the temple, with Four other Christian Jewish men to offer up his hair. We Gentile Christians on the other hand only observe the lord's supper in place of the OT Passover and then Easter the following Sunday Morning.

Because we are factoring in dates and times in this discussion, the days of unleavened bread do factor into our conversation as relating to the Passover/Lord's supper, Lamb Temple Sacrifice/Christ Sacrifice, then Easter as being Resurrection Morning. For the JEWS it is traditionally all Passover/Pesach week but for the Gentile Christian it is traditionally Easter Week. That is why the Translators translated the Greek "pascha" as Easter in Acts 12:4 because they were telling English speaking Christians that Herod was waiting until after Resurrection Morning and not just the Jewish Passover supper that had already past earlier that week.

Acts 18:18 And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.

Acts 18:21 but bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Acts 21:20-27 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 and they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. 26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

Acts 24:17-18 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings. 18 Whereupon certain Jews from Asia found me purified in the temple, neither with multitude, nor with tumult.

Easter E'ASTER, noun A festival of the christian church observed in commemoration of our Savior's resurrection. It answers to the pascha or passover of the Hebrews, and most nations still give it this name, pascha, pask, paque. ~ Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Online Edition

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But you were not referring to the 1st C Jewish believers, but to "Christians" in the current sense.

Of course they observed the Passover - they are still Hebrews, to whom the feast was given. it was to be observed forever by the Hebrews, BUT NOT BY US.

You are , quite simply wrong in your use of it in reference to Christianity.

They did not r

Practice it as part of their Christinity, but as part of their heritage.

Show me where Christians are commanded to keep a "Passover week of unleavened bread" as you stated clearly previously.

On 4/21/2019 at 7:23 AM, John Young said:

Its the last event in the Christian's Passover week of unleavened bread. 

No matter which way you cut it, this is an untrue statement, and it will lead to an incorrect understanding of the memorial of the Lord's Supper. 

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I was referring to the events in Jerusalem in Acts 12 where "Easter" refers to Jews vs. the Jewish Christian's events. I did not mean to imply that it was a world wide Christian tradition to keep the week of unleavened bread. Only that the OT Passover was held in the days of unleavened bread and that the Christians hold the Lords supper in place of the ceder or with the supper and then the Easter celebration just after that week, the following Sunday. 

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On 4/21/2019 at 7:23 AM, John Young said:

Its the last event in the Christian's Passover week of unleavened bread. The Passover (Lord's Supper) is eaten near the beginning of the week, Christ is crucified as our Passover lamb, and then three days later on the first day of the next week we celebrate Easter Morning. 

No dude - all present tense in answer to a present tense question.

What's so hard that people can't simply accept they were wrong and apologise?

I was clearly wrong above and just apologised for my mistake, but you have now given three different stories to try to get out of your mistake.....

Oh well, I don't really care all that much. Keep on make new excuses for all I care.

Passover is not for Christians - it seems you agree with that..... I think.....

I will leave it there.

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Bit I find it interesting that you quote Scriptures regarding the practice of the Passover and the Feast of unleavened bread, but conveniently leave out the command for them.

The practice was not always right, but the command is unchangeable.

And there certainly has been harvest feasts of Pagan origin dating back to well before Christ, and at least one of them was involving the false God Ishatar which SOME say is where we get Easter from.

I don't know who it was nor when Easter was associated with Passover, but to totally disregard the pagan association is just not really very genuine.

And such feasts are known to be associated with this time of year for in the northern hemisphere that time is the beginning of harvest (generally). Intersting also that such feasts are times according to the moon phases.

Passover is a specific date in the Jewish calendar.

I just don't particularly like it when people make statements that are incorrect and basically try to bully people into accepting them.

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1 hour ago, DaveW said:

What's so hard that people can't simply accept they were wrong and apologise?

I was clearly wrong above and just apologised for my mistake, but you have now given three different stories to try to get out of your mistake.....


I'm not sure why you keep thinking I'm making excuses. My replies are not excuses or "different stories" but my attempts to explain to you what I wrote. It is not hard to see what I meant. Even if its not to your likening. Obviously we Gentiles never have kept "the Passover" or are we to keep any OT or Jewish tradition. However, to ignore Passover events, and what they were called in the Bible and how they relate to our Easter events, how the Jewish Christians integrated them, especially in this conversation and particularity as to the details of Acts 12 where the only KJV mention of Easter is, is to be a bit thick headed. I've tired to explain what I meant several times but if you want to call my replies excuses or demand that I apologies for some wrong or error on my part, then I can't help you, because what you accuse me of saying I'm clearly not. If I confused or frustrated you in the way I worded my reply to Invicta as they relate to that week then I'm sorry.
 

1 hour ago, DaveW said:

Bit I find it interesting that you quote Scriptures regarding the practice of the Passover and the Feast of unleavened bread, but conveniently leave out the command for them. Thats because I'm only addressing one point as it relates to the verses. There is no need to explain every aspect of a verse or passage. 

The practice was not always right, but the command is unchangeable. Its what they did is the point, whither or not we agree with what NT Jewish Christians did doesn't matter in relation to the events of that week.

And there certainly has been harvest feasts of Pagan origin dating back to well before Christ, and at least one of them was involving the false God Ishatar which SOME say is where we get Easter from. And they would be wrong as linking Easter of Acts 12:4 and of Christian traditions to a Pagan day has very clearly shown to be wrong by every reputable study done on the matter. 

I don't know who it was nor when Easter was associated with Passover, but to totally disregard the pagan association is just not really very genuine. Its genuine to ignore it because its not a reputable association. Alexander Hilsop made it up for his book "the two Babylons". I provided a good link above. Feel fee to investigate it if you like.

And such feasts are known to be associated with this time of year for in the northern hemisphere that time is the beginning of harvest (generally). Intersting also that such feasts are times according to the moon phases.

Passover is a specific date in the Jewish calendar. Yes its a specific date that falls within the week of unleavened bread every year.

I just don't particularly like it when people make statements that are incorrect and basically try to bully people into accepting them. I can't help what you think is incorrect or not, or with what you decided to take issue, or what anyone does or doesn't accept. I'm just having a conversation and not trying force anyone to believe what I say or to bully anyone. 

 

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