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God's word on opposite sex physicians and nudity.

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I have some strong feelings about this especially in the context of females seeing a male ob/gyn. That said I would even have to think twice about my wife having a GP (general practioner) who is male. I am looking for specific verses or verses that teach the precept of not being naked in front of the opposite sex that is not your spouse. 

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Curious about this.. 

For my own preference, I prefer a female doctor for any field. I've had mostly negative experiences with male doctors, they just can't seem to empathize when a woman talks about a pain, they either think women exaggerate or they simply don't care at all. 

 As for right or wrong, I'm waiting to see what others are saying. If I'll ever ever visit an OB (hopefully never) I'll most definitely pick a woman.

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I will add this commentary and yes, I know the author is a rather controversial Baptist preacher, but personality aside looking at his argument and the verses on their face alone. I can't see how anyone in good conscience can argue against what he is saying.  

What's Wrong with Male Gynecologists?

by Pastor Steven L Anderson, 2006

 

1. Is nudity before the opposite gender a sin?

2. Are male obstetricians or gynecologists condoned in the Bible?

3. Are male gynecologists professionals or perverts?

 

 

 

 

“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.” – Ephesians 5:11, 12

 

“I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” – Revelation 3:18

 

“So he that goeth in to his neighbour's wife; whosoever toucheth her shall not be innocent.” – Proverbs 6:29

 

           

 

 

1. Is nudity before the opposite gender a sin?

 

We are living in a day when the overwhelming majority of Christians and non-Christians alike believe in situational ethics.  “The end justifies the means” seems to be the philosophy of today’s independent Baptist churches.  God, on the other hand, has always been the God of moral absolutes. 

 

Is nudity before the opposite gender a sin?  Well if it is, then it must always be a sin, whether at an xxx theater, a swimming pool, or in a doctor’s office.

 

In the Bible, the only nakedness allowable between a man and a woman is between husband and wife.  Genesis 2:25 reads, “And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Within the confines of marriage nakedness is totally permissible.  However, in Leviticus 18, God goes into great detail condemning nakedness between brother and sister, father and daughter, mother and son, aunt and nephew, uncle and niece, grandfather and granddaughter, and the list goes on and on. 

 

God also admonishes us repeatedly throughout the Bible to be fully clothed.  Nakedness in the Bible is associated with the word “shame.”  One of the many examples of this association is found in Isaiah 47:3a, “Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen:” as well as in Revelation 3:18 (above).  Exodus 28:42 reads, “And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach.”  God is commanding here for a man to wear pants or shorts that cover his entire thigh (down to the knee) in order not to be naked.  Isaiah 47:2-3 reads, “Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.  Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.”  God shows us again here, in this case with a woman, that the thigh being uncovered is considered nakedness by God.  Repeatedly throughout the New Testament, God commands women to be clothed in modest apparel because nakedness is undoubtedly a sin.

 

 

 

 

2. Are male obstetricians or gynecologists condoned in the Bible?

 

Given that nudity before a person of the opposite gender is a sin, why is it a commonly accepted practice among Baptists and others for a woman to be naked and examined by a male doctor?  This most disgusting practice is totally unfounded in God’s word.  OB/GYN's (doctors of pregnancy and women's health) are considered somehow immune from the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes.  If God is so against nudity between members of the opposite gender, why would he allow a man called a doctor to examine a woman’s naked body throughout her pregnancy and up to the birth as if he were somehow immune from sin or God’s laws?

 

Throughout the Bible, women who are pregnant or giving birth are attended by “nurses” or “midwives.”  Not one time in God’s word is there mention of a woman being examined nude by a man who is a medical professional.  God intended women to assist other women with these types of medical issues.  Women have been giving birth to children for the last 6,000 years without the aid of male doctors, and yet Christians today seem to think that a woman must expose herself to a male doctor in the name of medicine.  This is totally ridiculous and contrary to God’s word.

 

Many have used the argument, “Oh, they’ve seen it so many times; it no longer affects them.”  This is exactly the opposite of reality.  Men who look at nudity and pornography for extended periods become more perverted, not less perverted.  If the appetite for nudity is fed, the appetite increases not diminishes.

 

Others have used the argument, “Oh, my gynecologist is a nice elderly man. He isn’t thinking any dirty thoughts.”  That old man was once a young man who decided to go to school to be an obstetrician/gynecologist in order to examine women in intimate areas.  We have strained at the gnat of women giving birth with the help of experienced women or midwives, and we have swallowed the camel of godly, Christian women exposing themselves to a strange man in a doctor’s office.  God help us!

 

Independent, fundamental Baptist preachers stand up in pulpits across America and breathe fire about mixed swimming, immodest clothing, nudity on television, dancing, mini-skirts, etc., as they should, but why don’t they have the morals or courage to condemn this practice which is more revealing and more wicked than any of the others mentioned?!

 

 

 

 

3. Are male gynecologists professionals or perverts?

 

Jeremiah 17:9 reads, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”  What kind of a man would go into a profession of examining women’s private parts?  Don’t tell me that he is not made of the same sinful flesh that every other man is made of.  No man can look at pornographic images and not be affected.  This is why God commands us repeatedly to set no wicked thing before our eyes.

 

Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor’s office for decency’s sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women. 

 

May God help preachers in this generation to make the Bible their authority, not tradition, and call this ungodly practice what it really is – sin.  Any doctor that looks upon and touches a woman’s private parts in his office “hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”  Sir, if you let your wife go to a male gynecologist, you need to get right with God. 

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Actually, it is very easy to dismiss his use of these scriptures:

2 hours ago, baptistgunslinger said:

“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.” – Ephesians 5:11, 12

 

“I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” – Revelation 3:18

 

“So he that goeth in to his neighbour's wife; whosoever toucheth her shall not be innocent.” – Proverbs 6:29

1. This presupposes that this medical procedure is sinful, it does not designate it so.

2. This is talking specifically of spiritual nakedness, not physical.

3. This specifically speaking in terms of sexuality.

Not one of these specifically applies to the medical issues you are talking about, in which no sexuality is the subject.

Don't  get me wrong, I actually lean towards your position.

But Steven Anderson once again takes verses out of context, and misapplies them, and draws conclusions based not on the Bible, nor on facts, but from his own twisted mind.

Even in this he is walking in dangerous territory. 

I personally would prefer a woman doctor for my wife and girls, and a male doctor for myself and my boys, but would prefer above all else the best doctor available.

But I think it is a hard matter to "prove" biblically.

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I would personally strongly prefer a woman doctor, but would be thankful for whatever medical help I can get! I suspect that most women would prefer female doctors and midwives, but the fact is that they are few and far between.  This mindset of 'women must not be seen by male doctors ever' is very dangerous, as it has prevented women from receiving medical attention. Historically there have been far more male than female doctors.  Isis shut down medical ob-gyn clinics to avoid the possibility of women being attended by a male doctor. The practical effect (for the women) was that they were without medical assistance entirely. Not cool!

There is a time and place for moral concerns, but I strongly suspect that this particular attitude, historically, has been far more about misogyny than morality. It hurts women (and children).

I notice that Mr. Anderson isn't saying anything about men seeing lady doctors - funny how his concern about supposed immorality in the medical profession only applies when it is women that are seeking medical attention!   

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And he totally dismisses the concept that a doctor can dismiss himself (or herself) from sexuality in the course of their duties.

And what about nurses,  who are historically far more often women, attending medical procedures on men which could be considered "delicate"?

And unfortunately today we must also consider those of either sex who are not heterosexual. Under laws in most places today you are not even allowed to ask that question.....

 

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I agree with what Dave said in both of his posts.

I currently have a female doctor, for the first time in my life (other than one visit with my OB's co-doctor when I was expecting our son - and I didn't care for her at all). I'm not convinced she's the best around...but I don't believe it's a sin for a woman to have a male doctor. 

Interestingly, the only physician in the Bible whose gender we are given is Luke. 

 

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