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On 7/7/2019 at 5:46 PM, Alan said:

The Book of Isaiah has many prophecies concerning the restoration of the nation of Israel during the 1000 Reign of Christ on the earth and the changes of the earth.

The Book of Isaiah also has prophecies concerning the extension of the Reign of Christ, and the Dwelling of God on the New Earth and the New Heaven (notice the  singular Heaven not plural), after the Great White Throne of Judgment. Isaiah 60:18-20 is of one of those prophecies that clearly indicate there will be no sun in the New Heaven and the New Earth. And, God will dwell on the earth. The dwelling of God on the earth does not occur during the millennium.

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God." Revelation 22:1-3

Revelation 22:1-3 is the fulfillment of Isaiah 60:18-20 and 65:17

May we remember that in the New Heaven and the New Earth there is no sun. Revelation 22:23, And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Alan you mean Revelation 21:23. Yes Jesus as the light will continue in eternity when God comes down to earth. The sun and moon are not mentioned in eternity. We are not told much about eternity. But we will be there and I can't wait!

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On 7/11/2019 at 1:44 PM, Eric Stahl said:

Alan you mean Revelation 21:23. Yes Jesus as the light will continue in eternity when God comes down to earth. The sun and moon are not mentioned in eternity. We are not told much about eternity. But we will be there and I can't wait!

As I previously brought out, there is no physical sun nor moon in eternity. Also, Revelation 22:5, states, "And there shall no night there; and they need no candle, neither the light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

As previously stated, Isaiah 60:19-20 is absolutely talking about eternity and not the 1000 Year Reign of Christ on the earth. Therefore, there is no moon and sun  to create any type of shadow, especially, a "pole shift" in relationship to Isaiah 60:19-20. The concept of a "pole shift" is not scientific nor is it biblical.

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On 7/11/2019 at 6:27 PM, Alan said:

As I previously brought out, there is no physical sun nor moon in eternity. Also, Revelation 22:5, states, "And there shall no night there; and they need no candle, neither the light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

As previously stated, Isaiah 60:19-20 is absolutely talking about eternity and not the 1000 Year Reign of Christ on the earth. Therefore, there is no moon and sun  to create any type of shadow, especially, a "pole shift" in relationship to Isaiah 60:19-20. The concept of a "pole shift" is not scientific nor is it biblical.

Brother Alan , We will have to disagree on verse 19-20. I believe it starts in the tribulation at Habakkuk 3:11-13 and continues through the 1000 year kingdom.

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On 7/4/2019 at 3:31 PM, Salyan said:

I’m sorry... which of the plagues were supposedly worldwide? And what evidence have you for this?

 Sorry I didn't reply sooner.  The Amalekites were on the move when they & the Israelis brushed by each other in the wilderness. They were on their way to subdue Egypt, which was greatly weakened by the plagues of Exodus. The Amalekites' own land had been hit by many plagues, especially polluted water & vermin. Thwy were called "Hyksos" by the old Egyptians & they remained in Egypt til God started their downfall by having Saul & the Israelis wipe out their main stronghold of Auris in Egypt.  That's why Egypt was so generous with Israel in the days of David & Solomon.  And several North American Indian legends tell of plagues in North America similar to those of the Exodus.

 

  And the Pawnees have a legend about the sun's starting to rise when it noticed a hare had made a trap for it, and so the sun retreated for awhile til the hare grew tired & went away, then it resumed its normal course. If the sun's retrograde movement for Hezekiah occurred around noon, that would correspond with sunrise time in the east of North America. And old Persian legends have stories about calamities similar to those in Exodus.

 

  I read about those various legends in several history books many years ago. Wish I could recall their names. And I've read all of Immanuel Velikovsky's works about the events of the Exodus, which also point out the occurrence of many of its plagues all over the world. That's the one source I can name right now.

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On 7/27/2019 at 3:34 PM, robycop3 said:

 Sorry I didn't reply sooner.  The Amalekites were on the move when they & the Israelis brushed by each other in the wilderness. They were on their way to subdue Egypt, which was greatly weakened by the plagues of Exodus. The Amalekites' own land had been hit by many plagues, especially polluted water & vermin. Thwy were called "Hyksos" by the old Egyptians & they remained in Egypt til God started their downfall by having Saul & the Israelis wipe out their main stronghold of Auris in Egypt.  That's why Egypt was so generous with Israel in the days of David & Solomon.  And several North American Indian legends tell of plagues in North America similar to those of the Exodus.

 

Have you have any proof that the Amalekites were the Hyksos?  I have read that before many years ago, that when they attacked the Exodosees in Sinai, they were on their way to Egypt and when Saul attacked them they were on their way out.  But is there any proof?

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13 hours ago, Invicta said:

Have you have any proof that the Amalekites were the Hyksos?  I have read that before many years ago, that when they attacked the Exodosees in Sinai, they were on their way to Egypt and when Saul attacked them they were on their way out.  But is there any proof?

 Two exponents of that view are Prof. Immanuel Velikovsky & Dr. J. Stark.  V gave documentation that said the Amalekites controlled the caravan route leading to & from Egypt to Israel & several other nations with whom they traded by setting up the city of Auris(also known as Avris) astride it, to tax every caravan using that route.(They were forced to use certain routes by the water situation.) Slowly, as years passed, the Egyptians had been whittling down the Amalekites' grip on Egypt, but didn't have the strength to take Auris. But God sent Saul & the Israelis to destroy it, & they killed  everyone there, except its king Agag.(Story in 1 Samuel 15) This did not exterminate all the Amalekites, as we still see them in David's time some 40 years later, but it broke their power in Egypt & removed their taxation of the caravans. That's why some 80 years later, Egypt showed gratitude to Solomon.

 

   According to Stark, those Amalekites were also known as the "Shepherd Kings" & the "Amu", the name of their last Pharaoh. (Agag was king of Auris only.) Velikovsky said that their land had been hit hard by many of the plagues that wrecked Egypt at the Exodus, & that's why they were on the move, as they'd heard Egypt had been hit harder, & was ripe for the picking. Besides, God had chosen to punish Egypt for its enslaving the Israelis after Joseph & the Pharaoh whom he served were dead. Thus, Egypt was ruled by foreigners for 400 years, same amount of time Israel had been in Egypt.

 

  And they weren't on their way out of Egypt when Saul wiped out Auris. However, they were slowly being ousted or killed. The end of Auris ended their finances

 

  The earlier history of Amalek isn't well-known, although God said that at one time they were the first(most-powerful, richest, not 'earliest") of all the nations. They were descended from Esau thru his grandson Amalek. The last Biblical reference  that was possibly about an Amakekite  was the story of Haman in the Book of Esther, who was said to have been an Amalekite.

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Est 3:1 After these things did king Ahasuerus promote Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, and advanced him, and set his seat above all the princes that were with him.

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On 7/27/2019 at 9:34 AM, robycop3 said:

 Sorry I didn't reply sooner.  The Amalekites were on the move when they & the Israelis brushed by each other in the wilderness. They were on their way to subdue Egypt, which was greatly weakened by the plagues of Exodus. The Amalekites' own land had been hit by many plagues, especially polluted water & vermin. Thwy were called "Hyksos" by the old Egyptians & they remained in Egypt til God started their downfall by having Saul & the Israelis wipe out their main stronghold of Auris in Egypt.  That's why Egypt was so generous with Israel in the days of David & Solomon.  And several North American Indian legends tell of plagues in North America similar to those of the Exodus.

 

  And the Pawnees have a legend about the sun's starting to rise when it noticed a hare had made a trap for it, and so the sun retreated for awhile til the hare grew tired & went away, then it resumed its normal course. If the sun's retrograde movement for Hezekiah occurred around noon, that would correspond with sunrise time in the east of North America. And old Persian legends have stories about calamities similar to those in Exodus.

 

  I read about those various legends in several history books many years ago. Wish I could recall their names. And I've read all of Immanuel Velikovsky's works about the events of the Exodus, which also point out the occurrence of many of its plagues all over the world. That's the one source I can name right now.

None of the references submitted above are scriptural evidence that the 10 Plagues as written by Moses in the book of Exodus was world-wide. Forgive me for being blunt, the information concerning the Amalekites, legend of the Pawnees, Persian legends, and other north American Indian legends are not proof of any kind.

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6 hours ago, robycop3 said:

Two exponents of that view are Prof. Immanuel Velikovsky

Here is a quote from Wikipedia concerning  Professor Immanuel Velikovsky and his theories concerning the Old Testament and science.

"In general, Velikovsky's theories have been ignored or vigorously rejected by the academic community." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky

 

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19 hours ago, Alan said:

 

Here is a quote from Wikipedia concerning  Professor Immanuel Velikovsky and his theories concerning the Old Testament and science.

"In general, Velikovsky's theories have been ignored or vigorously rejected by the academic community." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky

 

His methodology, ignorance of established scientific fact and determination to persist, tend to discredit both his person and his work.

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On 8/12/2019 at 3:21 AM, Alan said:

None of the references submitted above are scriptural evidence that the 10 Plagues as written by Moses in the book of Exodus was world-wide. Forgive me for being blunt, the information concerning the Amalekites, legend of the Pawnees, Persian legends, and other north American Indian legends are not proof of any kind.

Isn't it funny that the Bible often upsets what people want to teach?????

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