Members Eric Stahl Posted January 26, 2019 Members Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) Isaiah Chapter 24 1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. Edited February 15, 2019 by Eric Stahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Baptist_Bible_Believer Posted January 26, 2019 Members Share Posted January 26, 2019 "But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people. And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also" (Acts 17:5-6 KJV). Invicta 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric Stahl Posted January 26, 2019 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2019 This is a physical judgment not a spiritual turning up side down. 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric Stahl Posted February 15, 2019 Author Members Share Posted February 15, 2019 When the earth rolls over there will be a very strong wind and the seas will wash up on the shores. Luke 21:25 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jim_Alaska Posted February 15, 2019 Administrators Share Posted February 15, 2019 Pole Shift is pseudo science. Does God need the wild theories of unsaved men to accomplish what He can do with a Word? Ge 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. Invicta 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric Stahl Posted February 15, 2019 Author Members Share Posted February 15, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said: Pole Shift is pseudo science. Does God need the wild theories of unsaved men to accomplish what He can do with a Word? Ge 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. The earth will still spin after it turns upside down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveW Posted February 15, 2019 Members Share Posted February 15, 2019 The earth will not turn over. Any pseudo science "pole shift" is referring to the reversal of the magnetic poles, not the physical rotation of the earth top to bottom. And it is entirely theoretical. It is entirely possible that if such a thing were to happen the only thing people would notice is that their compasses point the wrong way. And the birds get confused....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric Stahl Posted February 15, 2019 Author Members Share Posted February 15, 2019 38 minutes ago, DaveW said: The earth will not turn over. Any pseudo science "pole shift" is referring to the reversal of the magnetic poles, not the physical rotation of the earth top to bottom. And it is entirely theoretical. It is entirely possible that if such a thing were to happen the only thing people would notice is that their compasses point the wrong way. And the birds get confused....... what do you believe this means? Isaiah Chapter 24 1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveW Posted February 15, 2019 Members Share Posted February 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, Eric Stahl said: what do you believe this means? Isaiah Chapter 24 1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. I believe it has nothing to do with any sort of "pole shift". Your linking this verse to the pseudo scientific theory of "pole shift" is wrong on every level. The Pseudo scientific "pole shift" theory has to do not with the physical poles, but with the magnetic poles reversing polarity, ie, the north pole MAGNETICALLY becomes the sought pole, and vice versa. It has nothing to do with any sort of physical rotation of the earth across its axis. I haven't done a full study of this chapter yet, but it seems as though it is talking of a great devastation that would come upon the land, but I don't think it means the earth will literally turn over. Tell me Eric, what does this verse mean? Act 17:6 (6) And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also; My points are primarily that you, by your title, have linked the phrase "earth upside down" to a pole shift, but the pseudo scientific theory of pole shift DOES NOT refer to a physical shifting of the poles but the magnetic shifting of the poles; and secondarily, that the phrase earth upside down, does not automatically mean a physical turning of the world upside down. I am currently studying Isaiah, and in about 2 years time when I eventually get to Isaiah 24 I will let you know my thoughts specifically - if I remember after all that time. Jim_Alaska and Invicta 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric Stahl Posted February 15, 2019 Author Members Share Posted February 15, 2019 8 hours ago, DaveW said: I believe it has nothing to do with any sort of "pole shift". Your linking this verse to the pseudo scientific theory of "pole shift" is wrong on every level. The Pseudo scientific "pole shift" theory has to do not with the physical poles, but with the magnetic poles reversing polarity, ie, the north pole MAGNETICALLY becomes the sought pole, and vice versa. It has nothing to do with any sort of physical rotation of the earth across its axis. I haven't done a full study of this chapter yet, but it seems as though it is talking of a great devastation that would come upon the land, but I don't think it means the earth will literally turn over. Tell me Eric, what does this verse mean? Act 17:6 (6) And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also; My points are primarily that you, by your title, have linked the phrase "earth upside down" to a pole shift, but the pseudo scientific theory of pole shift DOES NOT refer to a physical shifting of the poles but the magnetic shifting of the poles; and secondarily, that the phrase earth upside down, does not automatically mean a physical turning of the world upside down. I am currently studying Isaiah, and in about 2 years time when I eventually get to Isaiah 24 I will let you know my thoughts specifically - if I remember after all that time. Dave, Acts 17:6 is the spiritual turning of the Religion upside down. Isaiah 24 is describing a physical judgment of earth. 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted February 15, 2019 Members Share Posted February 15, 2019 12 hours ago, Eric Stahl said: Dave, Acts 17:6 is the spiritual turning of the Religion upside down. Isaiah 24 is describing a physical judgment of earth. 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. Acts 17:6 is therefore symbolic. So is Isaiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveW Posted February 16, 2019 Members Share Posted February 16, 2019 23 hours ago, Eric Stahl said: Dave, Acts 17:6 is the spiritual turning of the Religion upside down. Isaiah 24 is describing a physical judgment of earth. 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. I know what Acts 17:6 is describing. I also don't disagree that Isaiah 24 is describing a physical judgement of the Earth. I absolutely disagree with you correlation of that passage to "pole shift", and I have explained why. You have a habit of overstating and jumping to unreasonable conclusions, and I think most of the time we are happy to let you do so without challenge, but this link is both scientifically and theologically wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric Stahl Posted February 16, 2019 Author Members Share Posted February 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, DaveW said: I know what Acts 17:6 is describing. I also don't disagree that Isaiah 24 is describing a physical judgement of the Earth. I absolutely disagree with you correlation of that passage to "pole shift", and I have explained why. You have a habit of overstating and jumping to unreasonable conclusions, and I think most of the time we are happy to let you do so without challenge, but this link is both scientifically and theologically wrong. How is it theologically wrong? When the bible says the earth will be turned upside down do you believe it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveW Posted February 16, 2019 Members Share Posted February 16, 2019 Eric, you have not researched either the science nor the biblical context to support you assertion. This is quite normal for you. And it is quite plain that you are not interested in gentle correction, which is why the majority of the time people pay little attention to your assertions. And I absolutely believe what the Bible says - just not what you suggest it says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jordan Kurecki Posted February 16, 2019 Members Share Posted February 16, 2019 It's likely that the "Earth being turned upside down" is a symbolic way of saying that the earth will be devastated by judgments. I see no contextual or linguistic evidence to support a "pole shift". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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