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Hello, all. Hope you're doing well. I have some questions about deputation. The wife and I are called to missions, potentially, and perhaps even the ministry of a church (i.e., teaching in a Christian school). If we do go on deputation, what are some things we can look for during it? Some of the threads about deputation I've seen mention getting a motorhome/camper. We, too, have discussed that. . Which IFB mission board did you use? We are starting the process of selling unnecessary things like our Camaro. I am in my third year of Bible school. I believe that the education weighs in on mission boards as well. We believe the Lord may be calling us to Canada. 

 

What are things we can look forward to during deputation? 

Which, if any, IFB board did you use? 

I know this is a loaded question, but how long did it take? 

Is there any advice you could give about deputation? 

How did you know WHERE you were supposed to go? 

 

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IMO, FBWWM is the primo of mission boards. When my husband and I were planning to go to Ireland, we were going to go through this board (we researched a great number, and felt this one was the most biblical).  Contact Bro. Pat Gordon there - he'll answer all of your questions and more than you realize you'll have!  

 

http://fbwwm.org/

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Personally, I would avoid Boards like BIMI and FBWWM, I believe they try to excersize too much control over the missionary. I dont believe its a mission boards place to micro manage things like facial hair, what you can do with your money on the mission field, etc. 

I am personally going to go with All Points Baptist Mission because they give dont attempt to control things that they dont really have scriptural authority to control. Pat Gordon is a good man and Im not saying you shouldnt go with FBWWM, but personally I dont want a body outside of my local church dictating non biblical things to me.

As to where God wants you to go, I believe if God gives you a burden or desire for a specific place, follow that desire, Jesus already said Go into all the world, so there is your “call”. As long as you are qualified biblically then I say follow God and he will give you the desires of your heart. 

I am praying this year that God will call 100 people to unreached people groups. 

Maybe you are one of them, please listen to this short (12 minutes) radio broadcast I did on the topic of missions and unreached people groups. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4Cyo2ykALwGQWtpRl90eVFQOHM/view?usp=drivesdk

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One of the things I don't like about BIMI so far is there's a "timetable" they have where you can go to candidate school, get approved, and then go. They may all be like that but I know BIMI does their annual school in June. The committee convenes also in June and December. When it's time to go, I want to go. I have a missionary from my church who didn't use a board at all. And it's for the same reasons you mentioned, Jordan. 

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I can't really help in this area as we were on deputation for only 3 months. We were planning on being on deputation for 1 year to get support to start a church in Connecticut, but in our first meeting a door opened us for us to use a building right away for no cost. We prayed about it and ended our deputation after 3 months and started the church early. Seeing how we were focusing on deputation only in the north east, we did not use a mission board, but rather just our sending church.

I do realize that it is different with foreign missions, but BIMI is one that I would never consider. That is just my opinion thought, as we do support missionaries that are under BIMI.

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I just got off of the phone with David Canedy at Baptist World Missions. I had a ton of information given and asked many questions. It will have to be a matter of prayer, but I am leaning more towards them if we go into missions. They do candidacy interviews and the like twice a year. April and October. I like that much better than once a year. We have a few more doors that must open for it to be missions-related, but this was our first step. I am excited about whatever may come! 

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33 minutes ago, Anthony John Thornton said:

I just got off of the phone with David Canedy at Baptist World Missions. I had a ton of information given and asked many questions. It will have to be a matter of prayer, but I am leaning more towards them if we go into missions. They do candidacy interviews and the like twice a year. April and October. I like that much better than once a year. We have a few more doors that must open for it to be missions-related, but this was our first step. I am excited about whatever may come! 

If I was you I would ask to see their guidebook/handbook, that is what turned me off from BIMI and FBWWM, I just saw so many rules that restricted the missionaries freedom and many of the rules had nothing to do with the Bible. Unfortunately today, people sometimes think their own philosophy of missions is the only way to do missions, there are many things the Bible does not address but certain mission boards and missionaries feel so strongly about. I have personally seen where missionaries and boards try to Lord it over another missionary. But you will have to decide for yourself what is best for you. 

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I go to church with the Vice President of Baptist Missions to Forgotten People. I have asked him many many questions about the board he is a part of and about missions in general. I personally think it is a very personal choice and something you must pray about and decide what works best for you. I have another friend that is a missionary in Papua New Guinea and he didn't use a board at all. He is sent out of his local church and Central Missionary Clearinghouse handles his support. That is what works best for him and his family.

I don't think there is any one right way to do deputation and handle your support. Each family is different and has different needs. If you would like me to put you in touch with the Vice President or the pre field administrator at BMFP let me know.

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1 hour ago, AdamL said:

I go to church with the Vice President of Baptist Missions to Forgotten People. I have asked him many many questions about the board he is a part of and about missions in general. I personally think it is a very personal choice and something you must pray about and decide what works best for you. I have another friend that is a missionary in Papua New Guinea and he didn't use a board at all. He is sent out of his local church and Central Missionary Clearinghouse handles his support. That is what works best for him and his family.

I don't think there is any one right way to do deputation and handle your support. Each family is different and has different needs. If you would like me to put you in touch with the Vice President or the pre field administrator at BMFP let me know.

 

Absolutely. I am definitely going to consider all avenues and make it a matter of prayer. 

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Reading a handbook just isn't enough. Talk to the people who are involved in the different boards. Find out WHY "rules" are there  -  you might be surprised to find that some of them are based on biblical principle and not just "lording it over" missionaries (I know for a fact that FBWWM does not "lord over" anybody). Talk to your pastor and see which one(s) he recommends (FBWWM will not take any missionary if their pastor does not recommend them). And then pray about it. If God is calling you to the field, and leading you to use a mission board, He will show you the right one for you, your family, and your field.

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Why a mission board at all? It is the responsibility of your local church to send you as well as help support you. Do your own deputation, have your sending church collect the mission offerings and disperse to you. You really don't need middlemen in the mix.

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9 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Why a mission board at all? It is the responsibility of your local church to send you as well as help support you. Do your own deputation, have your sending church collect the mission offerings and disperse to you. You really don't need middlemen in the mix.

And I have strongly considered this aspect of it as well. I have an older missionary in my church whom I consider a friend and this is what he does. Well, mostly. He doesn't use a board. He does go from church to church periodically raising funds. I believe the sending church being responsible is the most Biblical way of doing it for sure. 

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On 1/22/2019 at 5:04 AM, AdamL said:

Central Missionary Clearinghouse handles his support

The Central Missionary Clearinghouse is a ministry from a local church, the Central Baptist Church, Houston, TX, Pastor Larry Maddox, and  operates as a "mission handling agency" and not a "board." https://www.cmcmissions.org/

The CMC has no "Candidate School," and no control over the missionary family.The CMC helps with the "funds handling only." The is no "board" at the CMC.

Apart from the local church supporting a missionary directly from their local church as Jim Alaska wrote, the only other method I would even suggest is the Central Missionary Clearinghouse.

 

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2 minutes ago, Alan said:

The Central Missionary Clearinghouse is a ministry from a local church, the Central Baptist Church, Houston, TX, Pastor Larry Maddox, and  operates as a "mission handling agency" and not a "board." https://www.cmcmissions.org/

The CMC does have no "Candidate School," and no control over the missionary family.The CMC helps with the "funds handling only." The is no "board" at the CMC.

Apart from the local church supporting a missionary directly from their local church as Jim Alaska wrote, the only other method I would even suggest is the Central Missionary Clearinghouse.

 

That's really interesting! 

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Under the "FAQ" the CMC states:

 3. WHAT IS CMC'S PHILOSOPHY OF MISSIONS?
 
Basic to the philosophy of CMC is the concern that a missionary be sent to the field without control by outside organizations of people, other than his home church, his supporting churches and the Holy Spirit. In practice, this means we do not dictate to the missionary how he spends his money, how much money he can receive, or how or where he works. Agreement between CMC policies and the missionary requires certain divisions of income, such as personal support, ministry support and ministry expenses, which are for the missionary's protection. Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of men." (2 Cor. 8:21) The missionary's financial arrangements are confidential to us and any information must be given by the missionary, not by our office.
 
 
4. WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR MISSIONARIES?
 

 There are no qualifications such as age limit, health, education, etc. The procedure for using CMC’s services is as follows: A missionary is sponsored by the church where he is a member. He is recommended by his own pastor and commissioned by his home church. In addition, he must have the recommendation of two other fundamental Baptist pastors. These three pastors (that he has chosen) become his “Mission Board.” Each missionary candidate is screened and qualified based upon the recommendation of his sending and sponsoring churches. The integrity and character of every missionary is of vital importance to CMC.

 
 
5. WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF CMC?
 

CMC exists to serve the churches and missionaries by processing funds for missionary endeavor. We receive gifts from the donors, issue tax-deductible receipts, accumulate the funds in each missionary’s account, prepare complete reports for the missionaries and in every way we know, provide information for the missionary that will be helpful in his relationship with the churches. Our ministry includes getting the funds to the missionary by the last business day of the month, using whatever method agreed upon with the missionary. On the missionary’s instructions, we maintain savings accounts, building funds, furlough funds, emergency funds, etc.; we make bill payments, insurance premium payments and keep up hospitalization and retirement programs, as well as making quarterly tax payments. We also provide legal documentation that is necessary on the field in which they serve, as well as verifying the financial information needed by the missionary and validating their income as required in their personal and professional endeavors.

 

A personal Note. Please notice the highlighted red ink portion of their statement.

 

There are some countries that require a "legal" missionary board. The CMC supplies that need.

 

FYI. Our support as missionaries is through our home Church and the CMC.

 

Alan

 

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4 minutes ago, Alan said:

Under the "FAQ" the CMC states:

 3. WHAT IS CMC'S PHILOSOPHY OF MISSIONS?
 
Basic to the philosophy of CMC is the concern that a missionary be sent to the field without control by outside organizations of people, other than his home church, his supporting churches and the Holy Spirit. In practice, this means we do not dictate to the missionary how he spends his money, how much money he can receive, or how or where he works. Agreement between CMC policies and the missionary requires certain divisions of income, such as personal support, ministry support and ministry expenses, which are for the missionary's protection. Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of men." (2 Cor. 8:21) The missionary's financial arrangements are confidential to us and any information must be given by the missionary, not by our office.
 
 
4. WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR MISSIONARIES?
 

 There are no qualifications such as age limit, health, education, etc. The procedure for using CMC’s services is as follows: A missionary is sponsored by the church where he is a member. He is recommended by his own pastor and commissioned by his home church. In addition, he must have the recommendation of two other fundamental Baptist pastors. These three pastors (that he has chosen) become his “Mission Board.” Each missionary candidate is screened and qualified based upon the recommendation of his sending and sponsoring churches. The integrity and character of every missionary is of vital importance to CMC.

 
 
5. WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF CMC?
 

CMC exists to serve the churches and missionaries by processing funds for missionary endeavor. We receive gifts from the donors, issue tax-deductible receipts, accumulate the funds in each missionary’s account, prepare complete reports for the missionaries and in every way we know, provide information for the missionary that will be helpful in his relationship with the churches. Our ministry includes getting the funds to the missionary by the last business day of the month, using whatever method agreed upon with the missionary. On the missionary’s instructions, we maintain savings accounts, building funds, furlough funds, emergency funds, etc.; we make bill payments, insurance premium payments and keep up hospitalization and retirement programs, as well as making quarterly tax payments. We also provide legal documentation that is necessary on the field in which they serve, as well as verifying the financial information needed by the missionary and validating their income as required in their personal and professional endeavors.

 

A personal Note. Please notice the highlighted red ink portion of their statement.

 

There are some countries that require a "legal" missionary board. The CMC supplies that need.

 

FYI. Our support as missionaries is through our home Church and the CMC.

 

Alan

 

Man alive I am glad I found this site. I believe this site will be an incredible resource to me in the next few months. This is good stuff right here. 

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13 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

Reading a handbook just isn't enough. Talk to the people who are involved in the different boards. Find out WHY "rules" are there  -  you might be surprised to find that some of them are based on biblical principle and not just "lording it over" missionaries (I know for a fact that FBWWM does not "lord over" anybody). Talk to your pastor and see which one(s) he recommends (FBWWM will not take any missionary if their pastor does not recommend them). And then pray about it. If God is calling you to the field, and leading you to use a mission board, He will show you the right one for you, your family, and your field.

Of course they always have “reasons” for their rules. The rule book will tell you something about the board though. I am going to just use facial hair for one example, the bible absolutely is not against facial hair, therefore if a board is going to make a rule about that it tells me they think thats important. If a board is going to tell you that you cant have facial hair what else will they dictate? To me that tells me that they feel strongly about something that is not biblical or significant in the big picture of missions. To me it seems like a bit of a legalistic spirit. I am yet to see any mission board admit that they are controlling. Every mission board says that they are “local church”. But the proof is in the pudding when you get down to the nitty gritty details. Listen, if someones wants to give up some of their autonomy for the help and aid of a mission board then thats fine, I wont condemn anyone for that. But for me personally I would not go with a Board that gives evidence to me that they will try to micromanage my ministry and life. Unfortunately there is definately a legalistic spirit out there amongst Independant Baptists, There is a serious problem with people pushing their own personal preferences on others and I see this with mission boards. I have just watched how one unnamed mission board has tried to destroy a godly missionary and his family and get them kicked out of the country simply because he did not agree with their missions philosophy and he wasnt even under their board. 

I am not against Mission boards, but we need to be honest and realize that many missions boards do restrict the missionaries freedom. You have to realize you are trading some freedom for help from the board.

And of course you can talk to the people from the boards, but realize they are probably not going to tell you the negative consequences of being with their board and they are of course going to have “reasons” for all of their rules.

I am not trying to attack any mission boards or person. I respect Pat Gordon and what he is doing. For me though I looked into them and it wasnt a fit for me. Maybe it is for someone else, but not for me. 

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2 hours ago, Alan said:

Under the "FAQ" the CMC states:

 3. WHAT IS CMC'S PHILOSOPHY OF MISSIONS?
 
Basic to the philosophy of CMC is the concern that a missionary be sent to the field without control by outside organizations of people, other than his home church, his supporting churches and the Holy Spirit. In practice, this means we do not dictate to the missionary how he spends his money, how much money he can receive, or how or where he works. Agreement between CMC policies and the missionary requires certain divisions of income, such as personal support, ministry support and ministry expenses, which are for the missionary's protection. Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of men." (2 Cor. 8:21) The missionary's financial arrangements are confidential to us and any information must be given by the missionary, not by our office.
 
 
4. WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR MISSIONARIES?
 

 There are no qualifications such as age limit, health, education, etc. The procedure for using CMC’s services is as follows: A missionary is sponsored by the church where he is a member. He is recommended by his own pastor and commissioned by his home church. In addition, he must have the recommendation of two other fundamental Baptist pastors. These three pastors (that he has chosen) become his “Mission Board.” Each missionary candidate is screened and qualified based upon the recommendation of his sending and sponsoring churches. The integrity and character of every missionary is of vital importance to CMC.

 
 
5. WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF CMC?
 

CMC exists to serve the churches and missionaries by processing funds for missionary endeavor. We receive gifts from the donors, issue tax-deductible receipts, accumulate the funds in each missionary’s account, prepare complete reports for the missionaries and in every way we know, provide information for the missionary that will be helpful in his relationship with the churches. Our ministry includes getting the funds to the missionary by the last business day of the month, using whatever method agreed upon with the missionary. On the missionary’s instructions, we maintain savings accounts, building funds, furlough funds, emergency funds, etc.; we make bill payments, insurance premium payments and keep up hospitalization and retirement programs, as well as making quarterly tax payments. We also provide legal documentation that is necessary on the field in which they serve, as well as verifying the financial information needed by the missionary and validating their income as required in their personal and professional endeavors.

 

A personal Note. Please notice the highlighted red ink portion of their statement.

 

There are some countries that require a "legal" missionary board. The CMC supplies that need.

 

FYI. Our support as missionaries is through our home Church and the CMC.

 

Alan

 

I believe CMC is a worthy mention for this thread. 

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I didn't address this in my first post, but there is another aspect to going with a mission board that needs to be considered. I will qualify this by saying that I have no idea which or how many boards do this, but some do take a small portion of the missionary funding for something on the order of what they consider the cost of handling the funds and/or missionary. I don't really know what you would call this except to say that the missionary doesn't get the total contributed. This would be a factor in favor of "doing it yourself".

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Problem is, Jordan, you don't know the WHY of certain things. Just like any organization, requirements evolve as people involved do stupid things.  "To you" it might tell you things that you are assuming, without, again, knowing the WHY of it all. That's the reason to TALK to people. Ask the hard questions, like why is this or that in place. It's dangerous to assume that something is wrong simply because you don't agree with it (saying the "you" generically). But this is to you: you are assuming much about FBWWM from some things you read - consigning them to legalistic actions is wrong, because you did not talk to them and find out the WHY of their decisions - and basically assuming they won't be honest about negatives.  I know that many boards claim to be local church and are not. FBWWM is. Again, I know this from personal experience. Not just reading a handbook. 😉 But, as you said, not every mission board is for every person - nor is every person for every mission board.

I totally agree, Jordan, that many boards have gotten out of hand. Mission work has become a business to many of them, not a ministry. 

Jim, I agree with you about the $ being taken out...most boards do that, as a way of paying their staff. I know of one board that even requires that any properties purchased on the field - any field - are to be put into the mission board's name. Not the church, the board. IMO, that is tantamount to robbery...

That (besides it being the only one our pastor would work with) is one glaring reason we went with FBWWM.

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4 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

I didn't address this in my first post, but there is another aspect to going with a mission board that needs to be considered. I will qualify this by saying that I have no idea which or how many boards do this, but some do take a small portion of the missionary funding for something on the order of what they consider the cost of handling the funds and/or missionary. I don't really know what you would call this except to say that the missionary doesn't get the total contributed. This would be a factor in favor of "doing it yourself".

Jim brought up a valid point that I am compelled to add thereunto.

1. Some boards require the missionary to set apart, usually every month, funds for retirement. These funds are usually either kept by the board or in an account set up by the board. Depending on the board, if the missionary leaves the board before his retirement the funds are forfeited.

2. Some boards require the missionaries to set up other funds: housing, furlough, emergency funds, etc. Depending on the rules of the board, the board, or its representative,  has the final say so if the missionary receives these funds when the missionary requests these funds.

3. If the missionary purchases a house on the foreign field, some boards require the missionary to have the house in the name of board, or its legal representative on the field.

For your information. Most boards have a "Field Representative," or some other setup, in order to have personal contact with the missionary. The "Field Representative" is in effect a controlling factor over the missionary. For Taiwan, most boards have a "legal" representative that holds title to the house and not the missionary.

Depending on the board, if the missionary leaves the board than the house is not his. In other words, he loses the house.

4. Insurance. Most boards require the missionary to have Health insurance through the board or a Insurance Company recommended by the board. If the missionary leaves the board than there is a strong possibility that the Health Insurance is forfeited and the missionary may be required to pay for medical expenses out of his own pocket.

5. Most boards have the final say so in any situation not covered by the rules.

Conclusion.

Just about every board has its own rules. The missionary normally learns of these rules at Candidate School. If the board changes in doctrine, integrity, or in organization, than the missionary either changes with the board or he is asked to leave and forfeit his benefits accumulated during his tenure with the board.

Alan

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8 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

Problem is, Jordan, you don't know the WHY of certain things. Just like any organization, requirements evolve as people involved do stupid things.  "To you" it might tell you things that you are assuming, without, again, knowing the WHY of it all. That's the reason to TALK to people. Ask the hard questions, like why is this or that in place. It's dangerous to assume that something is wrong simply because you don't agree with it (saying the "you" generically). But this is to you: you are assuming much about FBWWM from some things you read - consigning them to legalistic actions is wrong, because you did not talk to them and find out the WHY of their decisions - and basically assuming they won't be honest about negatives.  I know that many boards claim to be local church and are not. FBWWM is. Again, I know this from personal experience. Not just reading a handbook. 😉 But, as you said, not every mission board is for every person - nor is every person for every mission board.

I totally agree, Jordan, that many boards have gotten out of hand. Mission work has become a business to many of them, not a ministry. 

Jim, I agree with you about the $ being taken out...most boards do that, as a way of paying their staff. I know of one board that even requires that any properties purchased on the field - any field - are to be put into the mission board's name. Not the church, the board. IMO, that is tantamount to robbery...

That (besides it being the only one our pastor would work with) is one glaring reason we went with FBWWM.

The handbooks of boards says a whole lot about them. 

I saw many of the things Alan mentioned already in some handbooks. 

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9 minutes ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

The handbooks of boards says a whole lot about them. 

I saw many of the things Alan mentioned already in some handbooks. 

I would agree to a certain point. MY point is that by just dismissing because of what you read in a handbook is akin to answering a matter before hearing it.  The handbook is simply an introduction to any organization. Dismissing a place as unbiblical before you (again generically) find out WHY something is there is not researching. It is reacting.

An example would be when my husband went to college. The handbook had some rules (I am not sure if they are still there or not) in it that made us scratch our heads. But, believe me, it didn't take long for us to see the why of a number of them. Not all of them - there were some we didn't agree with. But they were not egregious rules, nor did they require students to disobey scripture by obeying them. So there was no issue. 

IF someone doesn't like a standard of no facial hair, or perhaps the requirement that women wear no pants, they have a choice not to go with said group. But calling them legalistic is, again, answering a matter before hearing it if one doesn't know the why. Legalism is adding to salvation. I don't think even the really bad boards do that.

I've seen a lot in handbooks as well. And learned even more from different boards. I know very well that there is much questionable going on with boards. I believe one reason is because many of them don't truly remain local church run. 

There are a lot of pastors who will not even consider a missionary if said missionary is coming from a board. And I'm sure reasons include the things that have been discussed here already. 

You posted while I was writing this - I can tell you that they are a LOT less restrictive than BIMI, although I know a number of good missionaries who are out through BIMI and really like the board. Different strokes for different folks, eh? =D

The missionary family we support (we took our first family on this past July) is sent directly out from their church. So when we send our support check, we know that 100% of what we send goes straight into their bank account. Not every church can handle something like that - at present, I don't think our church could. Maybe one day.

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