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Absence of Doctrinal Authority

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One of the big points for Baptists is independence and absence of central church authority.  However, given that the Bible can be interpreted in many ways, doesn't that leave open the possibility for perverting the word of God?  For example, many purported Christian sects today use the following:

Galatians 3:26-29
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

To justify having homosexuals and transexuals in the church.  They also use this to justify having female preachers.

On the other hand, Catholics and Anglicans have a corrupt central authority that has itself been perverted so having a doctrinal authority for a sect of Christianity seems to provide no specific protection against it being perverted and corrupted.  But it would seem to me that there is a need for doctrinal authority when there are many liars and charlatans out there perverting the word of God using all manner of semantic twisting and legalisms to corrupt Christianity and led Christians away from the path of salvation that the Lord has laid out for mankind.

What say you?

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20 hours ago, Eustace said:

One of the big points for Baptists is independence and absence of central church authority.  However, given that the Bible can be interpreted in many ways, doesn't that leave open the possibility for perverting the word of God?  For example, many purported Christian sects today use the following:

Galatians 3:26-29
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

To justify having homosexuals and transexuals in the church.  They also use this to justify having female preachers.

On the other hand, Catholics and Anglicans have a corrupt central authority that has itself been perverted so having a doctrinal authority for a sect of Christianity seems to provide no specific protection against it being perverted and corrupted.  But it would seem to me that there is a need for doctrinal authority when there are many liars and charlatans out there perverting the word of God using all manner of semantic twisting and legalisms to corrupt Christianity and led Christians away from the path of salvation that the Lord has laid out for mankind.

What say you?

If your point is damage control your argument seems counterintuitive. Decentralized local error affects far fewer souls than denominational error does. Every sect or denomination these days are in egregious error so what protections would these provide? Protestant and emerging evangelical sects is where you will find the bulk of your homo/female pastor examples. Of course their apostasy goes far deeper, these are merely symptoms.

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"Protestant and emerging evangelical sects is where you will find the bulk of your homo/female pastor examples."

Incorrect.  The Church of England is by far the most degenerate Christian Sect in the world today.

Several examples off the top of my head that you can google to verify:

1. Rampant number of female preachers

2. Homosexual preachers

3. Total acceptance of homosexuality and transexuality

4. High ranking members of the Anglican church openly stating that they should all pray that the children of the English royals turn out homosexual

That's just off the top of my head.  Meanwhile the Catholic church is only slightly better with its acceptance of: homosexuality, abortion, seeming Agnostic stance by the Pope himself, and calls for Global Communism.

I suppose my belief is that a benevolent Patriarchal church authority would be objectively good for any Christian congregation, but clearly Satan has worked hard to corrupt most of those that exist today.  The only seemingly non-Heretical church authorities are in the Orthodox Churches (Russian, Greek, Serbian, etc.).  Ukraine's Church on the other hand is rapidly splitting from Russia and will no doubt be pushing homosexuality and abortion within months, if not already.

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the Bible is our authority, Any governing body that contradicts the teachings of scripture has lost its “authority”. 

God already has given us an authoritative body, and that was the writers of the Old and New Testaments. No body can dictate or legislate doctrine. 

51 minutes ago, Eustace said:

"Protestant and emerging evangelical sects is where you will find the bulk of your homo/female pastor examples."

Incorrect.  The Church of England is by far the most degenerate Christian Sect in the world today.

Several examples off the top of my head that you can google to verify:

1. Rampant number of female preachers

2. Homosexual preachers

3. Total acceptance of homosexuality and transexuality

4. High ranking members of the Anglican church openly stating that they should all pray that the children of the English royals turn out homosexual

That's just off the top of my head.  Meanwhile the Catholic church is only slightly better with its acceptance of: homosexuality, abortion, seeming Agnostic stance by the Pope himself, and calls for Global Communism.

I suppose my belief is that a benevolent Patriarchal church authority would be objectively good for any Christian congregation, but clearly Satan has worked hard to corrupt most of those that exist today.  The only seemingly non-Heretical church authorities are in the Orthodox Churches (Russian, Greek, Serbian, etc.).  Ukraine's Church on the other hand is rapidly splitting from Russia and will no doubt be pushing homosexuality and abortion within months, if not already.

Except that Orthodox Churches such as you have described practice the heresy of infant baptism.

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Just an FYI, Eustace - the Church of England is Protestant and falls under the definition of sect in that it separated from the RCC way back.

Independent Baptist churches are dependent upon Christ and His Word. Yes, there is the possibility of going astray - many of us on this site can point to Baptist churches that have turned from following the Bible and begun following emotions/culture. But here's the beauty of not having a denominational headquarters: independent churches don't HAVE to follow rules set by a man or a group who "leads" an entire denomination. 

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Scripture firmly asserts that "the church (singular) is the pillar and ground of the truth" This is why we are Independent. Once we give up our autonomy we open our church to rule by  associations and conventions, which are nowhere to be found in Scripture.

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2 Peter 1:20 King James Version (KJV)

 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I also like these Bible verses on this subject: https://www.openbible.info/topics/false_preachers

I say, the smaller the flock the less sheep are lost to a hungry shepherd.  This principle applies in many facets of life, but especially so in Christian matters.  The current state of the Catholic and Anglican churches illustrate this point very clearly.  Many sheep in the flock led astray by deceitful shepherds.

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On 12/1/2018 at 1:43 PM, Jordan Kurecki said:

heresy of infant baptism.

Thanks for making this statement.  I wasn't really aware of the history behind infant Baptism.  I was raised in a Baptist church so I wasn't Baptized until recently as an adult.  I was going to Baptize my son at the age of 1 year but after research based on your statement I am not going to do that.  Now let me ask you how it is that I attended a Southern Baptist church for 10 years and came away without any knowledge of their thoughts on Baptism?

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On 12/9/2018 at 11:13 PM, Eustace said:

Thanks for making this statement.  I wasn't really aware of the history behind infant Baptism.  I was raised in a Baptist church so I wasn't Baptized until recently as an adult.  I was going to Baptize my son at the age of 1 year but after research based on your statement I am not going to do that.  Now let me ask you how it is that I attended a Southern Baptist church for 10 years and came away without any knowledge of their thoughts on Baptism?

Well, sadly today many churches are getting away from teaching bible doctrine and expositing the scriptures. Southern Baptist Churches today are filled with compromise, OnlineBaptist here is made up of Independant Fundamental Baptists, we are distinct and separate from Southern Baptists.

 

https://www.wayoflife.org/database/whynotsbc.html

 

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