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I know a family of two kids and both of the kids are in trouble with the law, both having been arrested and charged with serious crimes, one has spent time I  prison, one is currently waiting in custody to see what his fate will be.

I know another family with twelve kids, and as far as I know not one of them has been in any trouble with the law, and the older ones are forging decent lives for themselves. And by the way, only the husband worked and they homeschooled all their kids, and they don't have heaps but they get by.

You wanna know what the difference is?

The  first family is unsaved - mum only just got saved a few weeks ago, praise the Lord.

The second family are a God fearing Christian family who bring up their children in the nurture and admonishion of the Lord.

You wanna make a distinction about families, there it is.

A family who loves, follows, and serves the Lord NO MATTER HOW MANY KIDS is a family who will likely keep out of trouble. Know how I know?

Pro 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Show me a verse that backs up your OPINION.

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6 hours ago, swathdiver said:

That's too bad.  If they were saved the bible's way I reckon the Lord said to them, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant".

As to your last, I don't think any child can get enough of their parent's attention!  We've got an adult child with a child who still demands more time from us than her teenage sisters.

I believe that children are a gift from God and they belong to God.  We're to raise them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, as many as He wants to give us.  If we do our part, He'll provide all that is necessary.

  You're entitled to your opinion, but  I'm also entitled to mine. And I'm never gonna change my opinion that God tells us when enough is enough of anything, including kids.

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Yep, folks are "entitled" to their opinions...but when we bring God into it, our entitlement goes out the window. We are to follow scripture as our guide, not our opinions (which are far too often based on emotion or experience rather than scripture). IF our opinions are grounded in scripture, then great. So, robycop, while I am not denigrating your opinion (which you stated earlier is based on your experience as a cop), please do share actual scripture which gives credence to your opinion. If the Bible actually teaches that we are to only have the children which we can afford, we should all know that.  (I do want to add here, though, that I do believe God will tell each family when "enough is enough" - and that is based on the scriptural principle that God leads the husband to lead his family [well, if said husband is saved and following scripture] in the way God would have them go...of course, then it is very unlikely that children will run afoul of the law [note that I said very unlikely, not impossible...each child makes his/her own choices]. Faux Christianity breeds law breakers. True Christianity does not.)

 

BTW, roby, I just noticed that you are located in southern Ohio. My hubs and my son are both Buckeyes, but from the Cols area. Randy's parents are from the southern part, though. His family that still lives there live in the Pedro area. 

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On 3/26/2019 at 11:02 AM, robycop3 said:

  You're entitled to your opinion, but  I'm also entitled to mine. And I'm never gonna change my opinion that God tells us when enough is enough of anything, including kids.

I didn't give you my opinion as it doesn't matter.  What matters is, "Thus saith the Lord".  So you were a corpsman?  Where did you serve?

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7 hours ago, swathdiver said:

I didn't give you my opinion as it doesn't matter.  What matters is, "Thus saith the Lord".  So you were a corpsman?  Where did you serve?

  Aboard the DLG Wainwright.

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16 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  Aboard the DLG Wainwright.

Boy are you dating yourself!  She was a Destroyer Leader before June 30, 1975!  LOL  Were you part of the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club?

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7 hours ago, swathdiver said:

Boy are you dating yourself!  She was a Destroyer Leader before June 30, 1975!  LOL  Were you part of the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club?

 My years of service were 1966-1970. I'm age 70.

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Why large families? Kids just seem to appreciate things more and tend to be closer knit in big families, from what I have observed. My great grandmother had 14 and my Mom is from a family of 10. My wife has 7 brothers and sisters. We ended up with 3 along with two miscarriages and would have had more but the last one caused my wife terrible problems with varicose veins. My wife and I love kids and I believe if you're healthy, have a houseful, but if health problems arise, STOP. Your spouse comes first.

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7 hours ago, heartstrings said:

Why large families? Kids just seem to appreciate things more and tend to be closer knit in big families, from what I have observed. My great grandmother had 14 and my Mom is from a family of 10. My wife has 7 brothers and sisters. We ended up with 3 along with two miscarriages and would have had more but the last one caused my wife terrible problems with varicose veins. My wife and I love kids and I believe if you're healthy, have a houseful, but if health problems arise, STOP. Your spouse comes first.

Having a big family can cure depression, anxiety and social problems. Being an only child has made me very aware of my solitude but also more selfish. Friends are different, sometimes you can't just talk every subject with a friend. When there are very few in a family, one is left without anyone by the time they're old. Having a brother or sister is a blessing, esp one that is of the same faith. 

   Be thankful if you are in great terms with your siblings, there are many of us wishing to be in your position.

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20 hours ago, Shoostie said:

A great concern I have with churches that push

Actually the first two paragraphs of your post start with this statement.....

Your post is ABSOLUTELY about churches....

And you should not go around accusing people of trolling when you know nothing about them.

By the way, would you like to go to the intro section and introduce yourself properly there?

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11 minutes ago, Shoostie said:

Yes, Dave, my first two paragraphs I use the word "churches" and that apparently triggered you like a bell to Pavlov's dog.  It's absurd to accuse me of writing about churches, as the topic rather than just incidentally.   I could easily have expressed the same thoughts without the word "churches", because my post is not about churches.   I could have left out the word churches and instead referred to "people trying to grow their families" through adoption.  But, why not make an incidental comment about churches pushing this family-size behavior?   Why not? Because it triggers you.

Yes, Dave, you are trolling.

Using your reasoning, I could declare you shouldn't accuse me when you know nothing about me.

It's also hypocritical of you to post off-topic to berate me.  The topic is large families, not me. 

Consider the beam in your eye.  And, consider the higher standards you should hold yourself to as a moderator.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey Dave, get back on topic.  The topic isn't about kids being arrested.  The topic is large families.  

Why so angry?

You yourself denoted the topic of your post to be relating to churches when you introduced that into the opening statements of your paragraphs. And by the way, I was not accusing, just pointing out the facts of the matter.

Secondly, this is no way trolling, but defending someone whom you attacked unjustly.

Hypocrital to defend someone unjustly attacked in the place they were attacked? no way. If you genuinely believed that, you would not have answered this in this thread......

And I am not a moderator...….. 

Finally - answering a post directly is not off topic......

Why so angry all the time? 

This doesn't have to be as unpleasant as you are making it.

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2 hours ago, Shoostie said:

If you're not the moderator, then leave the moderating up to the moderator.

I'm not angry, I'm just checking you.  

 

Can not one member discuss a matter with another?

If I see someone attacking a friend of mine, I think I am absolutely to come to their defence.

And again, if you genuinely believed that you would not be answering this post, but leaving it to the moderators to handle...….

This is simply a mechanism to shut me up. But I will defend when it is necessary, and I will question when it is necessary.

If you are so concerned with rules and regulations of the board, you would have read them before you started posting and you would have done the polite thing and introduced yourself in the intro section.

 

By the way, you may not be intending to come across in this manner, but you are presenting as angry. It can very hard to interpret "feeling" and emotion in written form, but this is the way you are "coming across" - as angry and aggressive. This may not be your intent, but it the way it appears.

Edited by DaveW
last paragraph added and phone spelling

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6 hours ago, Shoostie said:

If you're not the moderator, then leave the moderating up to the moderator.

I'm not angry, I'm just checking you.  

 

 

The above post (that you made) was directed at DaveW and came some time after the following post that you made in response to Salyan...

 

9 hours ago, Shoostie said:

Excuse you.  My post is about large families, not churches.  I wrote three paragraphs.  The first is about growing families through adoption.  The second paragraph, even though I didn't explain my reasoning, is that we are using immigration to compensate for smaller families.  The third paragraph is most explicitly about large families.  Are you trolling me?

 

You must be unaware that Salyan IS a moderator here...she moderated your post, and you responded with disrespect and sarcasm.

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On 9/13/2019 at 12:17 AM, Shoostie said:

If you're not the moderator, then leave the moderating up to the moderator.

I'm not angry, I'm just checking you.  

 I am finding this juxtaposition in assumptions rather amusing.  The moderator did moderate you, and you responded rudely and dismissively. 

On this board, we expect our members to treat each other with respect. Please confine yourself to discussing the matter at hand without ad hominem attacks. Now, BACK TO TOPIC. Any further discussion/comments on any subject other than large families will result in this thread being locked.

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 God will let Christian parents know in some way when enough kids are enough. His methods vary; the mom (or dad) may develop a medical issue, attention may be drawn to available finances & resources, or parents may know in their hearts they have enough kids.

   And the couples who produce  the children who are best-prepared for adult life have given each child enough ATTENTION.

  Remember, even a woman in her 40s still has about a thousand healthy eggs in her ovaries, and a normal man produces millions of sperm per batch of semen, so for most, fertility is no prob. That doesn't mean a couple should try to use every one of them!

 

  But let each Christian couple follow GOD in the number of children it has.

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On 3/10/2019 at 12:59 PM, Miss Daisy said:

First, let me preface this with the fact my grandmother's funeral is today and we a lot of family in town. Last night, a few of us got together for dinner at the hotel. I have one cousin and his wife which were there with their 6 kids.  And his older son. He was going to go into the Catholic priesthood, but just before that, he learned his girlfriend was pregnant. He had one child with her. He married his wife and they now have 6 small children. However, from what I know is he has never been self sufficient, providing for his family on his own. He believes God will provide. And he does. But a lot of financial support is from his father. Who's current wife is rightfully angry at the fact the grandfather of the 7 kids helps support them and his 35 year old son and wife.  They're both great parents, but I'm conflicted of them having more until they can independently support their current family. But it's also not my business and I would never say anything to them. 

Thanks for your honesty and two cents.  It really is how the Lord leads.   Some of us have health conditions too, which limits how much we can reasonably care for each child.  I have never had kids yet, but I have been informed by more than one specialist to inform by doctors as soon as I plan on having kids so that my pregnancy could be planned accordingly.

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