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10 hours ago, John Young said:

I don't agree with the "cult" narrative, as that's a too arbitrary and subjective term. While I believe them to be a legitimate branch/camp of IFBs who have a right heart for soul winning, I do agree they are severely mistaken on key bible doctrines because if their inability to discern the differences in similar term and the covenants and testaments. Part three of this series is better than part 2. 
 

 

Thanks for posting #3. I couldn't find it. LOL

I know you don't agree with the cult narrative...but I do. 😉 I've seen far too many ministries with leaders like this man (from personal experience as well as peripheral). They do become cult-like in that their leader is never to be questioned, always to be believed regardless of what the Bible might actually say (and many are supposedly soulwinners as well - soulwinning does not expunge bad doctrine, bad behavior, or deceit). That he has launched a "movement" (the newIFB) that is not biblical (just his last statement [from that 9 minute vid, let alone his other nonsense] on Israel alone proves that) pushes if from cult-like to a cult.  IMO.

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That first guy quoted on the 3rd video actually describes Anderson and his followers. And Anderson described himself pretty well at the end of the video. Again, IMO.

 

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Can you please show some respect for our beliefs already? You are a guest on this site.  You aren’t required to agree with it (Re KJV), but you could be a bit more polite and stop throwing your “KJV m

Well, actually, I'm an advanced member. And I politely ask for respect for MY beliefs, one of which is that the doctrine of KJVO is a myth.

At some point the church has got to start calling a spade a spade or in this case a heretic a heretic. So sick of this anything goes Christianity. I have heard folks (not on here) defend people that h

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44 minutes ago, HappyChristian said:

I know you don't agree with the cult narrative...but I do. 😉 

I may explain later why I think the "cult" narrative is flawed and not correct but rather we should focus on the core errors of their doctrine instead.

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3 minutes ago, John Young said:

I may explain later why I think the "cult" narrative is flawed and not correct but rather we should focus on the core errors of their doctrine instead.

That would be fine if you desire. If you do, I would probably explain why I think it's not flawed or incorrect. LOL

Yes, we should focus on the core errors of their doctrine...but keep in mind: bad doctrine is where EVERY cult that has formed came from. 😉

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22 hours ago, John Young said:

I don't agree with the "cult" narrative, as that's a too arbitrary and subjective term. While I believe them to be a legitimate branch/camp of IFBs who have a right heart for soul winning, I do agree they are severely mistaken on key bible doctrines because if their inability to discern the differences in similar term and the covenants and testaments. Part three of this series is better than part 2. 
 

 

How do they have a right heart for soulwinning when they have the wrong doctrine on who can be saved? They don’t witness to homosexuals, they just flat out condemn them and tell them they are going to hell (which they and every other lost person is going to IF they don’t repent and trust the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of salvation). Also, they deny the need for repentance - when the Bible teaches repentance AND faith. Repentance is changing your mind about your sin (ie. now believing what God’s Word says about it) and turning your heart from those sins, which will result in a change of conduct if they truly turn to Christ to save them (ie. it’s not reform or turning over a new leaf, it’s hating the sin you once loved and trusting in the Saviour to forgive and cleanse you of those sins).

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1 hour ago, Jerry said:

How do they have a right heart for soulwinning when they have the wrong doctrine on who can be saved? They don’t witness to homosexuals, they just flat out condemn them and tell them they are going to hell (which they and every other lost person is going to IF they don’t repent and trust the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of salvation). Also, they deny the need for repentance - when the Bible teaches repentance AND faith. Repentance is changing your mind about your sin (ie. now believing what God’s Word says about it) and turning your heart from those sins, which will result in a change of conduct if they truly turn to Christ to save them (ie. it’s not reform or turning over a new leaf, it’s hating the sin you once loved and trusting in the Saviour to forgive and cleanse you of those sins).

I think you've been mis-informed on what they teach about repentance. Also, as a rule, most do present the Gospel to everyone at the door who is willing to listen, as they believe everyone has the right to hear the gospel even if they won't believe it. They don't believe in making instant judgement call about a person they just met, unless of course that person is in their face about it. Which at that point that person probably isn't interested in hearing gospel anyway. And many of those in the NIFB do realize some are confused victims of that lifestyle indoctrination and not full fledged sodomites. In fact they often say they witness to more homosexuals door to door on accident then most do on purpose.

In regards to Repentance, they are opposed to the term "Repent of Sins for salvation" or any variant, as when it is used by Armenians and other protestants, including many reformed Baptist and some independents, does mean stop sinning for salvation (which as we know means to tun back to the law before Christ will save you and  to stay obedient to stay saved). They are opposed to any term that makes it seem as if the sinner stoping sin has any part in their salvation, as opposed to placing 100% trust in Christ alone to save and keep them saved. They do realize that the person needs to understand that they are a sinner and needs to turn to Christ in full faith for redemption of their sins (not just say a 123prayer as some claim).

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Have you been directly involved with Steven Anderson?

We had a young man who went to the US for the specific reason of joining himself to the ministry "because no one else cares about serving the Lord like they do". (This young man left a great, God serving, soulwinning church by the way. He came back to Australia and came to our church for some months before moving to NSW.)

He was with Steven Anderson for 18 months before he left. They ABSOLUTELY 100% do teach them to door to door soulwinning by the 123 method - this is first hand from one who was taught, trained, and participated in their soulwinning program. They can say they don't but this is first hand info brother. They also don't really follow up on them after telling them they should be in church on Sunday. 

By the way this fits perfectly with their claim to have seen many many thousands saved and yet they have a church which varies between as low as 60 and as high as a couple of hundred. In the 18 months this young man was there they were up and down in numbers like a toy. Partly because Anderson kicks out anyone who challenges him in any way.

Again, this is first hand account, not hearsay.

And they openly state that homosexuals can't get saved. They may "accidentally witness to mor e homosexuals", but what does that matter, for they are taught that these people are beyond redemption. This is public information.

And Anderson and his followers falsely accuse good, hardworking Pastors. I know of a guy in Qjeensland! QUEENSLAND! Half a world away, who was subjected to Anderson attacks.

My goodness, this guy is a false teacher, an Israel hater, an attacker of the brethren, and poor testimony of Christ, a user of crass and sometimes foul language, and one who is leading many on a path of at least bad testimony if not false salvation.

One day I might even express my real feelings on the matter....

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1 hour ago, DaveW said:

Have you been directly involved with Steven Anderson? I've followed his ministry over the years and have talked to him occasionally online. The few times we talked were cordial discussions even when we disagreed over points of doctrine or procedure. However, I've no personal relationship with him or ever been to his church.

We had a young man who went to the US for the specific reason of joining himself to the ministry "because no one else cares about serving the Lord like they do". (This young man left a great, God serving, soulwinning church by the way. He came back to Australia and came to our church for some months before moving to NSW.) They have definitely taped in to that persona at FWBC, as they have a solid plan in place for soulwinning. They have soul winning groups that go out every day door knocking locally, monthly trips to small towns and Indian reservations, and yearly missions trips to countries around the world. That is supplemented with the online promotion of these things as well as helping other local churches get people involved in soulwinning through their "Soulwinning Marathons" format.

He was with Steven Anderson for 18 months before he left. They ABSOLUTELY 100% do teach them to door to door soulwinning by the 123 method - this is first hand from one who was taught, trained, and participated in their soulwinning program. They can say they don't but this is first hand info brother. They also don't really follow up on them after telling them they should be in church on Sunday. I didn't say they don't use a 123 method as most if not all IFB soul winning programs do. What I meant is they are taught to look for understanding, agree meant with the points of the presentation and faith in Christ, and not just to get them to say a prayer. I can't speak to every person but that is what the leaders say to whom I've spoken to online and with whom I've gone soulwinning with.

By the way this fits perfectly with their claim to have seen many many thousands saved and yet they have a church which varies between as low as 60 and as high as a couple of hundred. In the 18 months this young man was there they were up and down in numbers like a toy. Partly because Anderson kicks out anyone who challenges him in any way. They are up to about 400 now at FWBC. As with any fast influx of people going into a ministry like his you will have people their who have major doctrine that is not compatible with the church (not just opinions) and so either they conform to church doctrine or leave. Every church I've been to had a standard of doctrine.

Again, this is first hand account, not hearsay.

And they openly state that homosexuals can't get saved. They may "accidentally witness to mor e homosexuals", but what does that matter, for they are taught that these people are beyond redemption. This is public information. I agree. I was just answering to the fact that they do witness to them at the door. Not that they believe they could be saved.

And Anderson and his followers falsely accuse good, hardworking Pastors. I know of a guy in Qjeensland! QUEENSLAND! Half a world away, who was subjected to Anderson attacks. I agree. That's not right and I don't support it. However these "attacks" are going both ways and are common among various opposing "camps" in the IFB world and much of it is over secondary issues, talking past each other, and saying the same things but in different ways, believing lies and amusing things without verification, etc. Sadly its not unique to Anderson.

My goodness, this guy is a false teacher, an Israel hater, an attacker of the brethren, and poor testimony of Christ, a user of crass and sometimes foul language, and one who is leading many on a path of at least bad testimony if not false salvation. I'm really not trying to defend what he teaches on or how he acts. Just that on salvation the "NIFB" is preaching a correct gospel and is at least trying to do it right. They are basically like Ruckmanites in that regard.

One day I might even express my real feelings on the matter.... Don't we all want to? hahaha

 

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The Lord Jesus said, "The thief cometh not, but to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10

Among his other heretical beliefs, after hearing Pastor Steven Anderson plainly state in the video that he out to "destroy" the Independent Baptist churches I consider him, and his followers, a thief that is out to destroy any IFB he church, pastor or missionary. Pastor Anderson, and his followers, are out to destroy, and try and kill, and steal sheep, of any IFB church they come in contact with.

I am not going to debate whether or not he is a cult leader, or the NewIFB is a cult.

In my estimation, Anderson is a worse  wolf in sheep's clothing than any cult, modernist, or liberal church in the neighbourhood. In my estimation, Anderson, and his followers, are deliberately infiltrating IFB churches in an effort to destroy them.

 

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John you don't seem to understand the depths of this matter.

He absolutely does teach his "soulwinners" a 123 repeat after me, get em to pray and mark it down as a win. First hand remember.

And you say that these attacks go on both ways???????

Not really - people like David Cloud present evidence and talk about bad methods and wrong doctrine, not defaming a person's character like Anderson does.

And there are the various false doctrines that he holds and expresses -such as a hatred of Israel - have you read and heard some of the thing s that he says about Israel?

And what about the foul language -plenty of times he has used questionable language - terms that some would consider foul but others might not (we all need to be careful of such borderline matters), but he is on record using language that should not pass any Christian's lips let alone be used in preaching.

If you think all of these clearly demonstrable matters are small issues, then you need to reassess a few things.

If even some of them are true - and I have good confidence in all of them - but even if only some of them are true this man is not qualified to be a pastor.

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20 minutes ago, Alan said:

In my estimation, Anderson is a worse  wolf in sheep's clothing than any cult, modernist, or liberal church in the neighbourhood. In my estimation, Anderson, and his followers, are deliberately infiltrating IFB churches in an effort to destroy them.

I understand where you are coming from. In my estimation though I see it not as salvation problem but a Doctrinal one. Most of those pastors who are flocking to his group (I believe Anderson himself as well) are saved but had doctrinal questions that they were not getting answered or were given wrong answers by their dispensationalist/IFB teachers. Not getting those answers from main IFB teaching they ended up getting them from other places that had a fundamentally wrong but "simple to understand from the bible" view that skews how they see the scriptures in regards to Israel. Regardless, Whatever opinion one has about the motives of Anderson and company, the only way it will be resolved is to have clear and loving refutation of His errant doctrine. Anything else will just serve to justify what they now believe and are doing to other churches.

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1 minute ago, John Young said:

I understand where you are coming from. In my estimation though I see it not as salvation problem but a Doctrinal one. Most of those pastors who are flocking to his group (I believe Anderson himself as well) are saved but had doctrinal questions that they were not getting answered or were given wrong answers by their dispensationalist/IFB teachers. Not getting those answers from main IFB teaching they ended up getting them from other places that had a fundamentally wrong but "simple to understand from the bible" view that skews how they see the scriptures in regards to Israel. Regardless, Whatever opinion one has about the motives of Anderson and company, the only way it will be resolved is to have clear and loving refutation of His errant doctrine. Anything else will just serve to justify what they now believe and are doing to other churches.

I appreciate your answer.

If you will notice my recent studies I have been not attacking Anderson;  but, what he believes doctrinally and I have tried to show exactly why he is in error by the scripture. 

I would like to repeat what I mentioned earlier. Anderson is out to destroy any IFB church he can. In my estimation, because all IFB churches believe in soul-winning, Anderson, and his followers, are using intense soul-winning efforts to infiltrate good churches in an effort to destroy the church from within.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, DaveW said:

John you don't seem to understand the depths of this matter. I absolutely do. I also know that Anderson isn't the only one spreading errant doctrine among the churches.

He absolutely does teach his "soulwinners" a 123 repeat after me, get em to pray and mark it down as a win. First hand remember.

And you say that these attacks go on both ways??????? I do. There are many who are telling verifiable false rumors about Anderson who don't care that they are lies. While these serve to rile up the accuser's base they also alinate many who are on the fence about Anderson.

Not really - people like David Cloud present evidence and talk about bad methods and wrong doctrine, not defaming a person's character like Anderson does. I appreciate much of what David Cloud has to say but even with his booklet on Anderson there are clear problems but I won't get in to them here.

And there are the various false doctrines that he holds and expresses -such as a hatred of Israel - have you read and heard some of the thing s that he says about Israel? I have.

And what about the foul language -plenty of times he has used questionable language - terms that some would consider foul but others might not (we all need to be careful of such borderline matters), but he is on record using language that should not pass any Christian's lips let alone be used in preaching. Agreed.

If you think all of these clearly demonstrable matters are small issues, then you need to reassess a few things. I don't think they are small matters but they also need to be kept in the right perspective.

If even some of them are true - and I have good confidence in all of them - but even if only some of them are true this man is not qualified to be a pastor. Whither or not he is qualified is up to his local church, of course how his church is set up, I doubt they will be disqualifying him any time soon...

 

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To be clear, I believe Anderson and those in or friendly to the NIFB need to be called out on their errors in doctrine and practices but that it should not be mixed with unprovable rumors, assumptions about their motives, questioning their salvation, or personal ad hominem attacks to their person. Their error will not go away with sharp rebuke either as it is a doctrinal thing that is causing their errors and not mere disobedience to things they already know to do. The only thing that will work is clear and patient biblical teaching to their questions, regardless of how we are treated in response.

2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

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Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Which I do by the way. I rarely speak to anyone about Steven Anderson, but when the subject comes up I will warn.

But he has been spoken to by many, both gently and harshly and he refuses any instruction.

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Most folks here know of my position regarding allowing our congregations to be influenced by forces outside of our own local church. In this respect I cannot help but think that there could  be no NFIB "movement" if the pastors of our local churches were not allowing themselves to be influenced as "followers of men" rather than followers of Jesus. If we are feeding our own flock properly there is no reason for them to look outside of their own local church. If our people are taught properly they will reject error themselves just as a mirror reflects a true image of that which is placed in front of it. The Steven Andersons of this world could have no influence outside of their own congregations without pastors and other church leaders being influenced by them. Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Now someone might argue that those who are influenced by the errors of others can in turn influence our members from within our congregations. Again, if we are following Jesus and not men, we will be teaching and preaching truth and correct doctrine. If we are doing this under the leadership of The Holy Spirit, then the truth will prevail and serve to "weed out" possible trouble makers. 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

It is difficult for some pastors, as well as church members to go through this process,  but preaching and adhering to the truth will result in separation, as it should in order to maintain the following verse: 
Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

What I have said above could be encapsulated in this one verse: Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

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Steven Anderson and the New IFB movement is, at the very least, a group of false teachers, and at worst a cult. If you would like to learn more about their false teachings and even possible criminal activity, here is a good article series on them

 

Part 1a: An Introduction to the New IFB

https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/steven-anderson-and-the-new-ifb-movement-part-1a

 

Part 1b: The Expansion of the New IFB

https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/steven-anderson-and-the-new-ifb-movement-part-1b

 

Part 1c: Dishonesty, Deceit, and Dissimulation in the New IFB

https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/steven-anderson-and-the-new-ifb-movement-part-1c

 

Part 2a: Examining New IFB Doctrine of God

https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/steven-anderson-and-the-new-ifb-movement-part-2a

 

Part 2b: Examining New IFB Doctrine of Jesus

https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/steven-anderson-and-the-new-ifb-movement-part-2b

 

Part 2c: Examining New IFB Gospel

https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/steven-anderson-and-the-new-ifb-movement-part-2c

 

Ben the Baptist Responds!

https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/steven-anderson-and-the-new-ifb-movement-update-1

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Hi Pastor Matt, you're welcome. I hope they are helpful.
I think we have to be careful of the type of exposure we give him. And, as I point out in my articles, it isn't just Steven Anderson. There is a growing number of churches becoming affiliated with him and his movement, thus growing and spreading his false doctrine. I think it is important to not simply tell the Body that he and they are wrong, but why they are wrong. To "contend for the faith" as we are told in Jude.

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We have several men in our church who got saved/looked for a KJV church because of Steven Anderson. We have had quite a few more visit the church, looking for a KJV church, because of Steven Anderson. Most don’t stay, as if they ever talk to the pastor about Stephen Anderson, they would not like what they hear! Also, of course, a lot of our doctrines don’t line up with him. 

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6 hours ago, Salyan said:

We have several men in our church who got saved/looked for a KJV church because of Steven Anderson. We have had quite a few more visit the church, looking for a KJV church, because of Steven Anderson. Most don’t stay, as if they ever talk to the pastor about Stephen Anderson, they would not like what they hear! Also, of course, a lot of our doctrines don’t line up with him. 

We have had 2 visit our Church because or Anderson, they both left.

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On 10/6/2019 at 3:02 AM, John Young said:

 

Ok....I didn't make it 3 minutes in before Steven Anderson brought out a straw man. That man is not saying that because the Jews are God's chosen people that they are "ok". Who is saying the Jews are "ok" and don't need Christ just because they are Jews? Read Ezekiel 36... God has a plan for the Jews to repent and receive Christ, and God is going to give them a new heart to obey him and bring them back into the land.

There are actually a few things I do agree with Steven Anderson. But he does have a lot of false teaching. His Covenant Theology is in error and is refuted by a simple reading of Romans 9-11... 

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4 hours ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

Steven Anderson brought out a straw man....he does have a lot of false teaching. His Covenant Theology is in error

In my opinion both men are and most "Evil Anderson" videos play too much with straw men and most are made by men who hold to worse errors than he. That's why he is able to correct them so easily. However, as you pointed out, most of his errors stem form his Covenant Theology, which the majority of these hit videos don't address very well, so he doesn't have to actually defined, or correct his core doctrines that caused him to error in the first place.

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Why even bother?

This guy is clearly a false teacher, and no Bible lover should have anything to do with him.

I don't know why you insist on defending a man who is so clearly a bad testimony for the Lord, and who is so clearly a false teacher, and so clearly a hateful man.

Anything that he gets right you can find with teachers who don't have his false teaching.

In my opinion, anyone who is so prominent as a teacher online and promotes themselves as such is unbiblical - IF he is a pastor (regardless of what he calls himself), he should concern himself with the flock to which the Lord has given him.

NO MAN is Pastor to the world. God gives pastors to individual churches, not to the "whole world".......

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My problem isn't so much with wanting to defend Brother Anderson and his errant doctrine so much as it is with, supposed Good people trying to discredit him with equally false lies and misrepresentation. If people must spend their time speaking out against him beyond the basic warning, they should at least try to do do it with with verifiable and factual information and address his errant covenant theology rather than, Straw men menial arguments, assumptions about his motives and character and the promotion of equally bad teachers (from their pulpit), simply because those people they speak against him, etc.

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But you don't do that - you defend the man.

You like the guy..... 

You like at least some of his teaching....

You defend the man......

On any level the guy is clearly not qualified to be a pastor, clearly teaches false doctrine, clearly is a bad testimony for the Lord, clearly goes beyond Scripture, clearly does not follow the duties of a Pastor...... etc.

You need to stop defending a man who is clearly a heretic.

But you can't help yourself - you are a fan..... and no matter how much you deny it, your posts tell a different story.

Follow no man - follow only the Lord and His Word.

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It is precisely because I follow Christ that that I'm speaking out against misrepresentation and false narratives regarding Anderson. If you see this as my defending him, then that is what you chose to see. But if you look closer, and consider what I have been saying all along, then you will see that I have been trying to defend my brothers from getting caught up in believing and sharing lies to "defeat" a errant/false teacher. We should not and cannot overcome lies with lies but rather only with truth.

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14 hours ago, John Young said:

It is precisely because I follow Christ that that I'm speaking out against misrepresentation and false narratives regarding Anderson. If you see this as my defending him, then that is what you chose to see. But if you look closer, and consider what I have been saying all along, then you will see that I have been trying to defend my brothers from getting caught up in believing and sharing lies to "defeat" a errant/false teacher. We should not and cannot overcome lies with lies but rather only with truth.

I understand your point and I agree with it. Some believers in IFB have a bad habit of beating down straw mans and not being honest and factual with their information.  However less discerning believers who might be reading this may be caused to stumble because they may view you as defending Steven Anderson. I mean you did post Steven Anderson's video defense of himself and offered no qualifying statements.

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3 minutes ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

However less discerning believers who might be reading this may be caused to stumble because they may view you as defending Steven Anderson. I mean you did post Steven Anderson's video defense of himself and offered no qualifying statements.

Mainly because both men's video's speak for themselves and the people who frequent "online baptist" are capable men who have already decided the matter for themselves one way or the other. Additionally I have made my feelings on the matter clear in previews post. So I don't feel the need to qualify my statements other than to say the accused has a right to be heard and give an account of himself. Whether people accept his defense or the accusations is up to them.

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5 hours ago, John Young said:

Mainly because both men's video's speak for themselves and the people who frequent "online baptist" are capable men who have already decided the matter for themselves one way or the other. Additionally I have made my feelings on the matter clear in previews post. So I don't feel the need to qualify my statements other than to say the accused has a right to be heard and give an account of himself. Whether people accept his defense or the accusations is up to them.

John,

I've read your previous statements on this matter. From reading them, I can "somewhat, but very slightly" see what you are saying and what you're trying to convey (though it isn't really that clear). 

As you said...there are those who frequent Online Baptist. Unfortunately, they may (or may not) have read your other posts nor understood what you were trying to convey.

I have to admit...like DaveW...and despite somewhat understanding your position...my overall impression (from what you have posted) has been that you are a supporter of Anderson.

It would help if you would give a definitive answer as to whether you view him as someone that you would recommend to others.

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18 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

John,

I've read your previous statements on this matter. From reading them, I can "somewhat, but very slightly" see what you are saying and what you're trying to convey (though it isn't really that clear). 

As you said...there are those who frequent Online Baptist. Unfortunately, they may (or may not) have read your other posts nor understood what you were trying to convey.

I have to admit...like DaveW...and despite somewhat understanding your position...my overall impression (from what you have posted) has been that you are a supporter of Anderson.

It would help if you would give a definitive answer as to whether you view him as someone that you would recommend to others.

I second this.

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In regards to Brother Anderson, I am neither a supporter or a detractor. I consider him a Christian Brother who holds to errant doctrine. I do not recommend him, his church, or his errant Covenant doctrines to anyone and I think he and his followers should be corrected when they try to promote those doctrines. (My attitude toward recommending him and his camp is the same that I have for Ruckmanites or contemporary Baptist groups). However, I also am not interested in promoting lies about him (or any fellow Christian) and these lies should also be confronted as well.

To be sure, many people on either side of this want me to go further than his doctrine and take a stronger stand on him as a person. They want me to either say he is an "unsaved false prophet" and partake in condemning him, beyond what I believe there is actual evidence for, so they can label me friend or foe as well but I'm not really interested in being an enemy to any Christian but instead to correct and help them and if I can, give them the benefit of the doubt.

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6 hours ago, John Young said:

In regards to Brother Anderson, I am neither a supporter or a detractor. I consider him a Christian Brother who holds to errant doctrine. I do not recommend him, his church, or his errant Covenant doctrines to anyone and I think he and his followers should be corrected when they try to promote those doctrines. (My attitude toward recommending him and his camp is the same that I have for Ruckmanites or contemporary Baptist groups). However, I also am not interested in promoting lies about him (or any fellow Christian) and these lies should also be confronted as well.

To be sure, many people on either side of this want me to go further than his doctrine and take a stronger stand on him as a person. They want me to either say he is an "unsaved false prophet" and partake in condemning him, beyond what I believe there is actual evidence for, so they can label me friend or foe as well but I'm not really interested in being an enemy to any Christian but instead to correct and help them and if I can, give them the benefit of the doubt.

Okay. Thank you.

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