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10 hours ago, Salyan said:

Yeah, my pastor had to do a whole sermon to basically correct and warn against him. We get a lot of visitors looking for a KJV church because of him!

We also have gotten several visitors looking for a KJV church from him. Unfortunately we had one guy who was promoting the idea that Sodomites cannot be saved, teaching against the Pre Trib rapture, and promoting replacement theology. His followers seem completely unable to actually think for themselves, when you show them clear scripture against what they believe they continue to blindly follow Steven Anderson. Andersonism is a cult plain and simple.

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Keep in mind many of them were saved because of his ministry or were nominal Christians that would not have had any interest at all in going to church, much less an independent baptist one, before stumbling on to his videos online. So any exposure to passionate doctrine has only been by his videos. While many of them will bring up Anderson's unique doctrines, most just want a place to humbly serve in soulwinning and are reasonable when making clear they are welcome if they do not speak against the church doctrine. Granted there are trolls and trouble makers in the mix but those usually don't last long.

Edited by John Young

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Keep in mind that their doorknocking involves a repeated prayer and marking down on a list without any follow-up......

I know someone who used be an Anderson disciple, but realised that the majority of their doorway confessions are likely not saved at all.

And that is not hear-say but direct testimony of what he was taught to do and what he saw practiced.

And we have seen plenty of ungodly attitude and false doctrine from his disciples on this site.

And I thoughtfully use the term "his disciples" because by their own testimony the are unlikely disciples of Christ.

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4 minutes ago, DaveW said:

Keep in mind that their doorknocking involves a repeated prayer and marking down on a list without any follow-up......

I know someone who used be an Anderson disciple, but realised that the majority of their doorway confessions are likely not saved at all.

And that is not hear-say but direct testimony of what he was taught to do and what he saw practiced.

And we have seen plenty of ungodly attitude and false doctrine from his disciples on this site.

And I thoughtfully use the term "his disciples" because by their own testimony the are unlikely disciples of Christ.

I am in agreement with Dave here, their soul winning is just repeating a shallow 10 minute Romans Road. You can see a video of their soul winning on youtube.

While Anderson may be getting people interested in his brand of "Christianity" he is not bringing people to follow Jesus Christ, but to follow him and his wacky ideas and sensational doctrines.

How many Sodomites has Steven Anderson turned away from Christianity because of his hate?

How can we possibly give any praise to a man who has openly prayed for certain people to die and go to hell? 

We have had run in's with Andersonites at our church, they seem to want to promote the doctrines of Steven Anderson and not the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. 

Personally, I detest the doctrine and teachings of Steven Anderson. 

Edited by Jordan Kurecki

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Jordan,

Thank you bringing to out attention the pdf book by David Cloud, "What about Steven Anderson? I had previously read it and encourage others to read it also.

Brethren,

I have seen the video put out by Anderson on soul winning. In fact, in studying his doctrines, methods, lessons on Revelation, ad nauseam, in order to know what he believes and why, I am glad that he does not want to be affiliated with traditional IFB's . For those who have read my latest two lessons on the Revelation Chapter 19-22 Study, and my previous posts concerning Anderson, it is pretty well known I do not care for his doctrines nor attitude.

Thoughts on Soul Winning and John Young's comments,

I agree with what brother John Young stated. There are those brethren who are seriously interested in soul winning efforts, who are nominal saints,  have listened to Anderson and are interested in winning souls. Also, they are not hard-core Andersonites but do serve humbly in church and are active in good, may I repeat, good, soul winning efforts.

A Personal Experience

While on a brief furlough in the States, March - August 2018, I was able to visit one church for a few days. This included going out on Saturday morning visitation, a Saturday fellowship in the afternoon, both Sunday services and fellowship on Sunday afternoon. During that time at that church I met two men who watched Anderson's videos. I noticed that both men appeared to love the Lord, soul winning efforts (good, solid, soul winning efforts), and loved the pastor (not considered a follower of Anderson), loved the church, and treated me and my wife as most IFB churches treat us. In other words, they loved missionaries and were actively involved in the work of the Lord at a good, solid, IFB church.

During the Saturday morning visitation I visited, for over two hours, with one of the individuals. This individual loved the Lord, loved the salvation of souls, was courteous to those who wanted to listen and was courteous to those who were rude. While walking together he mentioned he watched some, not all, of Anderson's videos. Politely,  I mentioned that I had seen his major videos, his video on soul winning, and that I did not agree with several of his key doctrines and methods. My partner understood my position and we politely talked about other things. During the whole time I felt that he was a saint who loved the Lord, was courteous, and not belligerent to anyone we met. While he talked with individuals who wanted to talk, he was definitely after a real conversion experience with the individual he was witnessing to and not just after a 'door way conversion.'

That meeting was the last meeting on that short furlough. My wife and I left the church to return to Taiwan the following week. We left that church with new friends.

I fully understand that my experience is not the experience that is portrayed in Anderson's videos nor with some of his disciples.

God bless!

Alan

 

 

Edited by Alan
grammar (twice) added the word video

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I think its dangerous to paint Anderson's "followers" with broad strokes or to say that they are only out to get people to say "a prayer". As with any person with false or errant beliefs that would come to our church, seeking a place to serve, and who share with us their views, to see where our common ground is, we should never write them off as "part of that cult". Rather the pastors who deal with them should treat them with long suffering and compassion, and should also be ready to answer their questions with clear scripture and not just baptist platitudes. To me Anderson's "followers" have the same spirit as the Ruckman "followers" of the past. Filled with crazy ideas from the non local crazy "TV Personality" but if treated right can make great level headed church workers and their wrinkles can be ironed out over time as they study the scripture in the local church. They can't get that if we all push them away to Anderson's franchise churches.

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  To me, SA is just a step above  Freddie Phelps & gang in depravity and apostasy

SA has even stated he worships the KJV!

Yes, homosexuality is an abomination before God, but nowhere does He say they can't repent , be forgiven, & saved.

SA has helped debunk the KJVO myth with his extremism, but otherwise, he's a poison mushroom.

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4 hours ago, Salyan said:

 Can you please show some respect for our beliefs already? You are a guest on this site.  You aren’t required to agree with it (Re KJV), but you could be a bit more polite and stop throwing your “KJV myth” comments everywhere you possibly can.

 Well, actually, I'm an advanced member. And I politely ask for respect for MY beliefs, one of which is that the doctrine of KJVO is a myth.

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2 hours ago, robycop3 said:

 Well, actually, I'm an advanced member. And I politely ask for respect for MY beliefs, one of which is that the doctrine of KJVO is a myth.

This website is a clearly stated KJV forum.

Isn't it a somewhat disrespectful act to come to a clearly stated KJV website and attack the KJV?

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10 hours ago, robycop3 said:

SA has helped debunk the KJVO myth with his extremism, but otherwise, he's a poison mushroom.

I am sure that a raging heretic can be found who uses your preferred translation.... would that then prove that translation to be false?

This is an absurd argument against the KJV.

By the way, what IS your preferred translation?

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  My preferred translation is the NKJV, followed closely by the NASV.

1 hour ago, DaveW said:

This website is a clearly stated KJV forum.

Isn't it a somewhat disrespectful act to come to a clearly stated KJV website and attack the KJV?

  Not when it comes to defending translations of God's word against inaccurate attacks.

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2 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

Not when it comes to defending translations of God's word against inaccurate attacks.

Oh OK, so you come here to a site that is KJV and DEMAND respect for a contrary position, with absolutely no intention of giving respect?

Interesting point of view.

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Hmm,  you have been around for a while. My apologies. I’d assumed that anyone pushing against the KJB stance of this board so strongly must be a new member.

 In that case, shame on you! You know the stance of this board. Your behavior leaves somewhat to be desired. 

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1 hour ago, Salyan said:

Hmm,  you have been around for a while. My apologies. I’d assumed that anyone pushing against the KJB stance of this board so strongly must be a new member.

 In that case, shame on you! You know the stance of this board. Your behavior leaves somewhat to be desired. 

A quick look around finds that the last post of his before this current visit was 2009...… (https://onlinebaptist.com/forums/topic/1219-what-is-a-ruckmanite/?do=findComment&comment=218414) To then claim an "advanced member" status may be technically correct according to the info in the side panel, but it is hardly accurate. It might even be considered a little disingenuous......

 

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  Well, Gentlemen,  change my status if you wish; it's immaterial to me. But, as you can see, my stance hasn't changed, and I'm fully prepared to defend it if necessary. And, I expect the usual rancor from the KJVO side, but I'm used to it after some 40 years of encountering it. It only makes their side look bad.

Again, I'm willing to discuss that, or any other matter you may wish, in whatever forum or sub-forum you choose. Just lemme know.

 

Gotta go for today. Meanwhile, may GOD watch over & bless each of you!

Edited by robycop3

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7 hours ago, robycop3 said:

Well, Gentlemen,  change my status if you wish; it's immaterial to me.

That is not the point.

To Claim "advanced member status" when you haven't been active on the site for TEN YEARS, whilst being correct on the technicality of the statistics, is in reality borderline deceitful.

And the fact that you refer to Slayan as a gentleman only serves to prove the point.

The fact is that you noticed your status comment and have tried to use it to give your position more weight, but Salyan is a senior member of the forum, a moderator, and a woman, none of which you realised, which proves that you are not in fact an advanced member IN REALITY.

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I haven’t been here for a long time - but I remember Robycop and the problems he has stirred up on various message boards in the past. He does seem to have toned down his approach, which is good. He is saying he will discuss this issue, but he has not answered it yet from what I can tell.

What Bible is inerrant today? What Bible do you fully 100% trust and rely upon, if you do not trust and rely upon the KJV? It is one thing to say you are not KJVonly and to say there are problems with it - but give us the name of the Bible versions today that are fully reliable - or else you are just creating more smokescreens to further confuse the issue.

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3 hours ago, Jerry said:

I haven’t been here for a long time - but I remember Robycop and the problems he has stirred up on various message boards in the past. He does seem to have toned down his approach, which is good. He is saying he will discuss this issue, but he has not answered it yet from what I can tell.

What Bible is inerrant today? What Bible do you fully 100% trust and rely upon, if you do not trust and rely upon the KJV? It is one thing to say you are not KJVonly and to say there are problems with it - but give us the name of the Bible versions today that are fully reliable - or else you are just creating more smokescreens to further confuse the issue.

  Jerry, I primarily use the NKJV, followed closely by the NASV. And, I use the KJV a little, while studying it, and as many other valid English translations, old & new, as I can find.

  I don't care for the NIV, "The Message", "Living Bible", or any other extensively/paraphrased version, nor do I believe the JWs' "New World Translation", Blanco's "Clear Word Bible", etc. are valid versions, as they depart often & greatly from any known ancient Scriptural mss.

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On 3/11/2019 at 11:31 PM, robycop3 said:

  Jerry, I primarily use the NKJV, followed closely by the NASV. And, I use the KJV a little, while studying it, and as many other valid English translations, old & new, as I can find.

  I don't care for the NIV, "The Message", "Living Bible", or any other extensively/paraphrased version, nor do I believe the JWs' "New World Translation", Blanco's "Clear Word Bible", etc. are valid versions, as they depart often & greatly from any known ancient Scriptural mss.

I don’t want to derail this thread. I was thinking of this earlier.

I understand, Roby, that you cannot accept our belief in Kjvonly in the english language; however, you do accept it as a valid Bible to read and study from. For the sake of peace, can you at least respect the position of this board and fellowship over what we do agree on? When I volunteered/worked and preached at a Gospel Mission, I used the King James Bible in my teaching and preaching and did not make comments against the other versions (even though some of the other workers and clients there used them) - unless I was asked why I used the Kjv and what was the difference between them. In other words, we fellowshipped over our Bible-based beliefs. I can deal with the occasional comment stating a specific point was based off of a reading in another version (if the Kjv did not have the same reading)* as long as you are not specifically knocking the Kjv to make your point. Does that make sense? I actually think you make some great, informative points in some of these prophecy threads.

*I do realize that it may make or break the point you are making if you are honest in stating that a particular doctrine or belief is not based on the Kjv (ie. some/all here may not accept it if they cannot see it in the Kjv) - but I, for one, will respect the honesty, and appreciate you showing where you got a particular belief or doctrine from, if you can state your position in a manner that does not trample on the position of these boards. In other words, less clashing and more fellowship - assuming that is why you came here, right?

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13 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

(Debunking Steven Anderson’s False Doctrines, Pt. 1: Replacement Theology)

This is the closet concise video I have seen, of shareable value, that has come close to explaining the error of Steven Anderson's version of Replacement theology with out totally distracting from the issues at hand. Though, I don't agree that he is a cult leader (any more than Ruckman, Hyles, Curtus Hutson, J. Frank Norris, or John R. Rice were anyway). One of the biggest downfalls of a lot of Anti-Anderson videos (Gipp, Grady, Sluder, this one, and etc.) is they spend far too much time putting down the man with half truths, insults, and ad hominems against anyone who would *DARE* listen to anything this "stupid cult leader and his minions" have to say, and they too easily accept any falsehood, spread by other false teachers, simply because they do not like the man. For me such talk just serves to distract from his actual errors in doctrine and justify the narrative that they are "suffering for Jesus" because they are "right" in their doctrine. 

I really have had no interest in defending Brother Anderson or this NIFB movement, but for some reason I always seem to be in one way or another because I really don't appreciate the lies and insults and accusations that have over saturated the real issues (by the people on both sides). Its really not a Christ like way to handle the issues we have with our Brothers across these doctrinal Isles. Additionally, when talking to those considering the NIFB movement or Brother Anderson I have to play defense for the intolerance of the people on our side, that have been caught up in believing the lies over actual truth, so I've have been thinking for a while now about refuting the actual doctrinal issues of the NIFB movement without actually attacking the men themselves, just so I have something to share that doesn't look like I'm a crazed Pharisee trying to stone poor Deacon Stephen.

Edited by John Young

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