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'Apologiz-ing' (1 Pet. 3:15) to Muslims and Islam

(witnessing to Muslims) I have these materials on file, and have studied in the religion of Islam, and can help in these areas, and over 1,000 pages of material on various subjects, sources, etc for those desiring it, and I will share some later.

You may find more here -

http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn/witness-muslim-mahometans/id3599647

http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn/the-loud-cry-revelation-14-12/id5277051

An overview (brief) History of Muhammad (Abu al Qasim [father of Qasim]) and Islam:

AD 570 - Muhammad born [supposedly, ancestry really unknown, no one knows the father of Muhammad for sure]

AD 610 - Muhammad [40 years old] met 'Jibril' in the Hira cave

AD 610 - 622 - Received 'Meccan' verses

AD 621 - Muhammad has the 'Mi'raj' to the 7 Heavens [5 Prayers/As-Salat]

AD 622 - 'Hijra' [Migration] from Mecca to Medina

AD 622 - 632 - Received 'Medinan' verses

AD 624 - There were no mosques prior to AD 624, Qibla [direction of prayer changed, from Jerusalem to Mecca [Al-Masjid-Al-Haram]], specifically to the Ka'bah [building and the blackstone [god] thereof], Qur'an surah 2 [Al-Baqarah], ayah 142-150

Qur'an - Al-Hilali-Khan; Surah 2:142-150 -

"… [v. 142] The fools among the people (pagans, hypocrites, and Jews) will say, "What has turned them (Muslims) from the Qiblah [prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)] to which they used to face in prayer." Say, (O Muhammad) "To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to the Straight Way." [v. 143] Thus We have made you [true Muslims – real believers of Islamic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways)], a just (and the best) nation, that you be witnesses over mankind [1] and the Messenger (Muhammad) be a witness over you. And We made the Qiblah (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad) from those who would turn on their heels (i.e. disobey the Messenger). indeed it was great (heavy) except for those whom Allah guided. And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e. your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, Allah is full of Kindness, the Most Merciful towards mankind. [v. 144] Verily! We have see the turning of your (Muhammad's) face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-Al-Haram (at Makkah [Mecca]). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction. Certainly, the people who were given the Scripture (i.e. Jews and the Christians) know well that, that (your turning towards the direction of the Ka'bah at Makkah [Mecca] in prayers) is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do. [v. 145] And even if you were to bring to the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) all of the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they would not follow your Qiblah (prayer direction), nor are you going to follow their Qiblah (prayer direction). And they will not follow each other's Qiblah (prayer direction). Verily, if you follow their desires after that which you have received of knowledge (from Allah), then indeed you will be one of the Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers). [v.146] Those to whom We gave the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognise him (Muhammad or the Ka'bah at Makkah [Mecca]) as they recognise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it – [i.e. the qualities pf Muhammad which are written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] [v.147] (This is) the truth from your Lord. So be you not one of those who doubt. [v.148] For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, Allah will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, Allah is Able to do all things. [v.149] And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-Al-Haram (at Makkah [Mecca]), that is indeed the truth from your Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what you do. [v.150] And from wheresoever you start forth (your prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-Al-Haram (at Makkah [Mecca]), and wheresoever you are, turn your faces towards it (when you pray) so that men may have no argument against you except those of them that are wrong-doers, so fear them not, but fear Me! – And so that I may complete My Blessings on you and that you may be guided. ..."
 

AD 630 - Conquered Mecca 'peacefully', in the area of the Hijaz [Roman controlled province]

AD 632 - Died horribly of accumulated effects of poisoning [from the battle of Kaybar], there was as yet no official written or totally compiled [into one source] qur'an.

AD 632 - 634 - Abu Bakr [Father of Aishah, favorite wife of Muhammad], Rightly Guided Caliph of Muhammad, takes over

AD 634 - 644 - Umar [daughter Hafsa], starts conquering other cities - Bozrah, Baghdad, Damascus, Jerusalem, Cairo

AD 642 - The 5 Great cities of the Levant - Basra, Baghdad, Damascus, Jerusalem, Cairo, are now under Arab [not Muslim] control. Also Alexandria, Aden, Merat and Nishapur.

AD 644 - 656 - Uthman [Othman], he has the various qur'anic materials [like Hafsa's, daughter of Umar] compiled into one official [Zaid ibn Thabit, secretary of Muhammad, re-write and correct, and if any difficulty, use the Qur'aishi language, language of Muhammad's Ummah people, along with three other men], and burns all of the rest which differed, or were lost, had additions, etc.

4 main Uthman copies were made,

[1] Medina,
[2] Basra,
[3] Baghdad,
[4] Damascus,

of which two are supposed to be still around, the Topkapi Mushaf [in Turkey, Istanbul, mid - 8th century] and the Sammarqand Mushaf [Tashkent early - mid 8th century], but they are not that old, but later [Umayyad period, 8th century], and contain errors, and are only half manuscripts.

Others are the:
 
[1] Ma'il [Britain, Hijazi text],
[2] Petropolitanus [Paris, see Francois Deroche 2009:172-177],
[3] Houseini [al-Mashhad al-Husayni] Cairo, Egypt, see Tayyar Altikulac Al Mushaf Al Sharif 2007:36, footnote 14a],
[4] San'aa manuscripts, see the book Al Mushaf Al Sharif, Prof. Dr. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, and Dr. Tayyar Altikulac.

AD 650 - Official Uthmanic recension of the various qur'ans compiled into one, all others destroyed

AD 656 - 661 - Ali [Adopted son of Muhammad], whom the Shia adhere to as the rightful heir

AD 661 - North Africa controlled by the Arabs, and goes into Spain, then to the east, in India

AD 685 - 705 - Abd al'Malik, comes to power

AD 685 - coins with Muhammad's name on them, no other record of this name before this date, that is known

AD 691 - dome of the rock,:
 
[1] first Arab inscription referencing 'Muhammad' [Volker Popp-Ohlig & Puin, 2010:53];
[2] the first reference to 'Muslims' is in the 690's [Chronicle of John of Niku' – 1602],
[3] the first Arab reference to 'Muslim' if just prior to AD 749 [Nevo & Koren, 2003:234], otherwise they re simply 'Saracen' [Arab], 'Hagarene', 'Ishmaelite', 'Maghraye', 'Muhajiroun' [in exodus, nomad];
[4] the first reference to 'Islam' is not until AD 691 [Dome of the Rock] [Volker Popp-Ohlig & Puin, 2010:71],
[5] the first reference to 'Mecca' is not until AD 741 [Patricia Crone 1987:134-136 [found in Apocalypse of pseudo-Methodius Continuatio Byzantia Arabica, early reign of caliph Hisham]; Hoyland 1997:426; Tom Holland, In the Shadow of the Sword, 2012:303],
[6] the first Biography of 'Muhammad' within Islamic sources is not until AD 833 [Ibn Isham, citing the earlier non-extant work of Ibn Ishaq, AD 765],
[7] the earliest maps do not show or place 'Mecca' until AD 900, of which Patricia Crone, found Greek trading documents with Ta'if [South-East of Mecca], Yathrib [later Medina], Kaybar, but never Mecca.

Historical Criticism:

Wansbrough, Hawting, Patricia Crone, Andrew Rippin, Robert Hoyland, Yehuda Nevo, Luling, Gerd R Puin, Von Bothmer, Karl-Heinz Ohlig, Francois Deroche, Bowering, Conrad, Peters, Stein, Showmaker, [even Islamic Awareness, Islam site], Dan Brubaker, see the book Al Mushaf Al Sharif, Prof. Dr. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, and Dr. Tayyar Altikulac.etc.

"... Islam, and the prophet's life, as we know it, was not derived from the 7th century, but evolved over a period of 200-300 years, and then redacted back on to the prophet's life, and compiled in the 9th century ..." [Humphreys 1991:71,83-89]
 
"... The Qur'an probably was not revealed to one man in 22 years, but likely evolved over a period of 50-100 years ..." [Rippin 1985:155, 1990:3,25,60; Lester 99:44-45; Wansbrough 1977:160-163]

The conclusion of a few is that the history of Islam, at least from the time of the Caliph Abd al-Malik (AD 685-705) and before, is a later fabrication/redaction [Cook 1983:65; Robinson 1996:47]

AD 705 - Jacob of Edessa

AD 765 - Ibn Ishaq, writes the first known 'siratul Rasu'allah' [life [history] of the 'prophet' of allah [Muhammad]]

AD 790 - Ma'il qur'an

AD 833 - Ibn Isham, rewrites Ibn Ishaq's account, altering it

AD 870 - al-Bukhari, compiles the first Sahih aHadith [sayings of Muhammad, using a chain of narration system], from 600,000 sayings, narrowed to 7,397 sayings in 9 Volumes, throwing out 98%.

AD 923 - al-Tabari, compiles the first great Tafsir [commentary on the qur'an]

Quranic Translations (of the Uthmanic rescension):

[1] Al-Hilali-Khan [official Saudi, Salafi],
[2] Yusuf-Ali,
[3] Shakir,
[4] Pickthal,
[5] Dawood,
[6] Sarwar,
[7] Sahih International, etc ...

There are actually over 31 differing Arabic qur'ans (I did not say 31 translations), various lengths, changes in words, meanings, tenses, etc., and not merely translation of the 'Uthmanic' rescension (as above), but different from it.

aHadith's [sayings, chains of narration, of Muhammad] [Sahih [correct/accepted as valid]]:

Tafsir's [commentaries] [Ta'rikh, histories]:

Histories:

******* For original source data-mining only [becareful what you read, how often you read, how long you read, etc it is deadly poison, no joke, full hazmats on]:

The Uthmanic Qur'an, English translations - IslamAwakened

The Sunnah of Islam [aHadith, etc] - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Various Tafsirs - English Tafseer Of The Noble Quran

Ibn Ishaq's sira'tul rasulallah, the biographical life of Muhammad - https://ia801702.us.archive.org/25/...dGuillaume/The_Life_Of_Mohammed_Guillaume.pdf

Reliance of the Traveller, Official Sharia Code Book [Islamic Law] [the owner is removing these from the net, get them while you can] - Wayback Machine

Wayback Machine

Wayback Machine

The book of Jihad - https://ia800904.us.archive.org/30/...IbnNuhass/The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhass.pdf

An Index to the Qur'an, by Harun Yahya - https://ia802305.us.archive.org/23/items/AnIndexToTheQuran/kuran_fihristi_en.pdf

Edward William Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon - https://lanelexicondotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/lane-an-arabic-english-lexicon.pdf

The classical 'apologetical' of Al Kindi, a Christian response to Muslim - https://www3.nd.edu/~reynolds/nehc20624/al-kindi.pdf

23 Years by Ali Dashti - http://1400years.org/books/twentythreeyearsEN.pdf

Jesus warned of many false prophets, and even gave a location for some of them (and to beware of the desert):

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

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2 hours ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

That’s a lot of information on Islam. 

Well, that which is given in the OP is the basic backbone of the history of the rise of the religion of Islam.  Now we can begin to look at some details, to be able to witness to them more effectively.  Though I, personally, have over 1000 pages of material on said religion, it is a small drop in the bucket compared to what they themselves have in print.  The Sahih al Bukhari is some 1700 pages in length, and that is just one of the Sahih Hadith narrations, while there are 6 major Sahih aHadith, and numerous others beyond that, and those are only a portion of the Sunnah of Muhammad.  In fact, the religion of Islam has so much in print of what Muhammad is supposed to have said, through such chains of narrations, that no one man (including Muhammad) could have said them in a full lifetime, let alone the amount of time that Abu al Qasim (M.) was supposed to have been advocating Islam (roughly 21 years; from about age 40 to 61, give or take a year or two).

I can also recommend several really good helps.  For instance, Usama Dakdok (a Egyptian born, fluent speaker of Arabic, Baptist) has great material (which I personally own)

Usama also has a video on "Sharia" (it's not 'Sharia Law', which means 'Law Law', it's just Sharia (which means Islamic Law)), but you('recensored)tube keeps pulling it. Look for it on other media sites. It is here - https://www.bitchute.com/video/fxmJKlNEONfR/

Also here - https://seed04.bitchute.com/rkfhgJJJh25e/fxmJKlNEONfR.mp4

also check out, Usama Dakdok's - Exposing the Truth about the Qur'an books, Volumes 1 and 2, easy to read, mostly accurate - Books/DVDs « The Straight Way

Other great material:

[01] "31 Different Arabic Qur'ans? Shouldn't there be just one? Colliding Worldviews" (Jay Smith)
 
 
[02] "Ex-Muslim Sam Solomon- Doctrines Of Islam Are In Absolute Contradiction To The Gospel. Bible Is True" (Sam Solomon
 
 
[03] "New Evidence the Koran is Corrupted" (Jay Smith)
 
 
[04] "Women in Islam" (Usama K Dakdok; Baptist)
 
 
[05] "This is Actually Happening to Australia... (2018-2019)" (testimonial of a woman)
 

 

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Here are some more:

[06] "History of Islam with William Federer" (William J Federer; I think "Catholic")
[07] "Revealing Islam with Usama Dakdok" (Usama K Dakdok)
[08] "Is the Quran Infallible" (Usama K Dakdok)
[09] "Islam Exposed a.k.a. "The Basics of islam" by Robert Spencer 13 talking points" (Robert Spencer; Melkite (Greek) Catholic)
[10] "Must Watch: 1400 Years of Islamic History in a Few Minutes" (Brigitte Gabriel)
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A few more good ones (especially the first):

[11] "Algeria, where are your Jews?" — Hillel Neuer silences the U.N." (Hillel Neuer)
[12] "David Wood — Answering Islam" (David Wood, Acts 17 Apologetics)
[13] "How Muhammad Ali Was Deceived by Islam" (David Wood, Acts 17 Apologetics)
[14] "Whitewashing Islam: 20 Errors on 20/20 (ABC News)" (David Wood, Acts 17 Apologetics)
[15] "Carl Goldberg - The "Logic" of Islam" (Carl Goldberg)
 
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And finally, some others worth noting:

[16] "Jay Smith: The Historical Origins of Islam" (Jay Smith)
 
 
[17] "4. Jay Smith: Muhammad A Historical Critique" (Jay Smith)
 
 
 
Now, I do not normally recommend James White, seeing as he has a misunderstanding (whether purposefully or no, I will not say) in regards the text of the Bible (KJB), but he also approaches the Islamic documents in a similar fashion (which is really the Jesuit approach), and has some useful information on manuscripts, and textual variations therein.  Therefore, take him with a large grain of salt, but there is some valuable information in the following videos also also.
 
 
[18] "99.99999997% of all Muslims have Never Seen This [Dr. James White]" (James White; "reformed Calvinist"; be careful with him; he uses the so-called 'higher criticism' to study Bible MSS, I like him, but he has some faulty positions and theology therein)
 
 
[19] "Dr. James White - Islam A-Z (1/2)" (James White)
 
 
[20] "Dr. James White - Islam A-Z (2/2)" (James White)
 
 
Ok, enough of him, and these videos for now (unless I find another good one along the way here and there, but I find that these are the primary videos on youtube that are worth the time, without overlapping too much, though brother David Wood, from Acts17Apologetics has more great material, as does Usama Dakdok, and a few others online).
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3 hours ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

That’s a lot of information on Islam. 

Here is less of a video approach, and more of utilizing their own sources to ask a question that leads them to the Bible and sacrifice of Jesus:

A question for Muslims, a study of what they have written in their own sources:

I understand that the Qur'an speaks of "Isa", as "the Messiah" [Qur'anic, "Masih", to the Jews, not to Muslims until the return of 'Isa]:
 

[Note to the reader/s: Qur'anic references are given by the [Uthamanic, Zaid ibn Thabit] English Translation Author, followed by the Title/Name of the Surah, followed by the Surah number, followed with colon [:], followed by the ayah [singular, ayat, [plural]], as thus [Yusuf Ali translation, Al 'Imran 3:45] [if the translation author is left out, any translation author will generally do, but there is a few differences in ayat numbering in the Uthmanic English between various tranlsations, therefore always double check the translation cited if refering and speaking with Muslims, be accurate, etc]
 
 
[a 'surah' is like what we would call a 'chapter' but is not really, as there is no real order to any given qur'an [since it is mixed into Mecci and Medini Surah, etc, and generally goes from the largest Surah [2] to the smallest [114, Uthmanic], so it is not quite accurate to say 'chapter', and the 'ayah' [or ayat] is like unto 'verse/s', but really means 'signs, miracles, etc', and some ayah that are next to another may have no contextual connection at all to the before or after ayah/ayat]


Yusuf-Ali translation

Al 'Imran 3:45
 

Al 'Imran 3:45 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus(386), the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah(387).


Al Nisa' 4:157,171,172
 

Al Nisa' 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him,(663) but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
 
Al Nisa' 4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses(675) in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist676) it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
 
Al Nisa' 4:172 Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah,(677) nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah.: those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself(678) to (answer).


Al Ma'idah 5:19,75,78
 

Al Ma'idah 5:19 O People of the Book! Now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break(720) in (the series of) our messengers, lest ye should say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)": But now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil). And Allah hath power over all things.
 
Al Ma'idah 5:75 Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth.(783) They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them;(784) yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
 
Al Ma'idah 5:78 Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David(786) and of Jesus the son of Mary(787): because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.


Al Tawbah or Bara'ah 9:30,31
 

Al Tawbah or Bara'ah 9:30 The Jews call ´Uzair a son(1283) of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate(1284) what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah.s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!(1285)
 
Al Tawbah or Bara'ah 9:31 They take their priests(1286) and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah,(1287) and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him1288) (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).


From what I understand and have read of Islamic sources [Qur'an, aHadith [primarily Sahih], Tafsir and Tarikh, etc], the Qur'an [etal.] teaches that Adam sinned ultimately because of satan, and thus lost his garments of light in the Garden, and became naked [and attempted to hide behind the "leaves of Paradise" [Ta-Ha 20:121], and God had to clothe him [them, Adam/Eve], with the skins of the slain animals/sacrifical lamb as per:

al-Hilali-Khan translation

Al A'raf 7:26,27
 

Al A'raf 7:26 O Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc.) and as an adornment, and the raiment of righteousness, that is better. Such are among the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, that they may remember (i.e. leave falsehood and follow truth).
 
Al A'raf 7:27 O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitan (Satan) deceive you, as he got your parents (Adam and Hawwa (Eve)) out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabeeluhu (his soldiers from the jinns or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayatin (devils) Auliya (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.


Ta-Ha 20:118-121
 

Ta-Ha 20:118 Verily, you have (a promise from Us) that you will never be hungry therein nor naked.
 
Ta-Ha 20:119 And you (will) suffer not from thirst therein nor from the suns heat.
 
Ta-Ha 20:120 Then Shaitan (Satan) whispered to him, saying : "O Adam! Shall I lead you to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that will never waste away?"
 
Ta-Ha 20:121 Then they both ate of the tree, and so their private parts appeared to them, and they began to stick on themselves the leaves from Paradise for their covering. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray.


This is what was given before in the Genesis 3:1-24 KJB, and in Genesis 3:15 KJB, God promised a "seed" to the woman, and would come of the woman [not of the man]. Eve, understood this promise of God, to send the "seed", as she thinks [*] her first child is that "seed", see Genesis 4:1 KJB, "gotten a man of the LORD".

[* mistakenly, but hopefully, as every daughter of Eve since then had awaited, see Sarah [Hebrews 11:11] and God's continued promise to Abraham in regards the "seed"; Genesis 9:9, 12:7, 13:15,16, 17:7,8,9,10, 21:12, 22:17,18; Exodus 32:13, 33:1; Joshua 24:3; 2 Samuel 7:12, 22:51; 2 Chronicle 20:7; Psalms 89:3,4,29,36, 105:6; Isaiah 41:8, 45:25, 65:9, 66:22; John 7:42; Acts 3:25, 7:5,6, 13:23; Romans 1:3, 4:13,16,18, 9:7; Galatians 3:16,19,29; 2 Timothy 2:8; Hebrews 2:16, 11:18; Revealtion 12:7, etc. KJB]

Thus it was God who instituted the "sacrifice" from "the foundation of the world" [Hebrews 9:26; Revelation 13:8, 17:8 KJB] and "the shedding of blood" [Hebrews 9:22 KJB] for sin/transgression of His Law.

This "sacrifice" was continued through time, until Christ.

al-Hilali-Khan translation

Al Ma-idah 5:27-33 [Cain and Abel continue the sacrifice]

 
Al Ma-idah 5:27 And (O Muhammad*) recite to them (the Jews) the story of the two sons of Adam (Habil (Abel) and Qabil (Cain)) in truth; when each offered a sacrifice (to Allah), it was accepted from the one but not from the other. The latter said to the former: "I will surely kill you." The former said: "Verily, Allah accepts only from those who are Al-Muttaqoon (the pious - see V.2:2)."
 
Al Ma-idah 5:28 "If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear Allah; the Lord of the Alameen (mankind, jinns, and all that exists)."
 
Al Ma-idah 5:29 "Verily, I intend to let you draw my sin on yourself as well as yours, then you will be one of the dwellers of the Fire, and that is the recompense of the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)."
 
Al Ma-idah 5:30 So the Nafs (self) of the other (latter one) encouraged him and made fairseeming to him the murder of his brother; he murdered him and became one of the losers.
 
Al Ma-idah 5:31 Then Allah sent a crow who scratched the ground to show him to hide the dead body of his brother. He (the murderer) said: "Woe to me! Am I not even able to be as this crow and to hide the dead body of my brother?" Then he became one of those who regretted.
 
Al Ma-idah 5:32 Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
 
Al Ma-idah 5:33 The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.
 
 

As Saffat 37:75-83, 101-107 [Noah and Abraham continue the sacrifice]

 
As Saffat 37:75 And indeed Nooh (Noah) invoked Us, and We are the Best of those who answer (the request).
 
As Saffat 37:76 And We rescued him and his family from the great distress (i.e. drowning),
 
As Saffat 37:77 And, his progeny, them We made the survivors (i.e. Shem, Ham and Japheth).
 
As Saffat 37:78 And left for him (a goodly remembrance) among generations to come in later times:
 
As Saffat 37:79 Salamun (peace) be upon Nooh (Noah) (from Us) among the Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)!"
 
As Saffat 37:80 Verily, thus We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers - see V.2:112).
 
As Saffat 37:81 Verily, he (Nooh (Noah) ) was one of Our believing slaves.
 
As Saffat 37:82 Then We drowned the other (disbelievers and polytheists, etc.).
 
As Saffat 37:83 And, verily, among those who followed his (Noohs (Noah)) way (Islamic Monotheism) was Ibrahim (Abraham).
 
As Saffat 37:101 So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.
 
As Saffat 37:102 And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allah), so look what you think!" He said: "O my father! Do that which you are commanded, Insha Allah (if Allah will), you shall find me of As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.)."
 
As Saffat 37:103 Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);
 
As Saffat 37:104 And We called out to him: "O Abraham!
 
As Saffat 37:105 You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers - see V.2:112).
 
As Saffat 37:106 Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial
 
As Saffat 37:107 And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. - a ram);
 


Al Baqarah 2:67-73 [Moses continues the sacrifice, see also the clean and unclean in Al An'am 6:146; Al An'am 6:146 And unto those who are Jews, We forbade every (animal) with undivided hoof, and We forbade them the fat of the ox and the sheep except what adheres to their backs or their entrails, or is mixed up with a bone. Thus We recompensed them for their rebellion (committing crimes like murdering the Prophets, eating of Riba (usury), etc.). And verily, We are Truthful.]

 
Al Baqarah 2:67 And (remember) when Moosa (Moses) said to his people: "Verily, Allah commands you that you slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you make fun of us?" He said, "I take Allahs Refuge from being among Al-Jahiloon (the ignorants or the foolish)."
 
Al Baqarah 2:68 They said, "Call upon your Lord for us that He may make plain to us what it is!" He said, "He says, Verily, it is a cow neither too old nor too young, but (it is) between the two conditions, so do what you are commanded."
 
Al Baqarah 2:69 They said, "Call upon your Lord for us to make plain to us its colour." He said, "He says, It is a yellow cow, bright in its colour, pleasing to the beholders. "
 
Al Baqarah 2:70 They said, "Call upon your Lord for us to make plain to us what it is. Verily to us all cows are alike, And surely, if Allah wills, we will be guided."
 
Al Baqarah 2:71 He (Moosa (Moses)) said, "He says, It is a cow neither trained to till the soil nor water the fields, sound, having no other colour except bright yellow. " They said, "Now you have brought the truth." So they slaughtered it though they were near to not doing it.
 
Al Baqarah 2:72 And (remember) when you killed a man and fell into dispute among yourselves as to the crime. But Allah brought forth that which you were hiding.
 
Al Baqarah 2:73 So We said: "Strike him (the dead man) with a piece of it (the cow)." Thus Allah brings the dead to life and shows you His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) so that you may understand.
 
 

Al 'Imran 3:183 [Elijah continues this on Mt. Carmel, also see notation in Yusuf-Ali *489]

 
Al 'Imran 3:183 Those (Jews) who said: "Verily, Allah has taken our promise not to believe in any Messenger unless he brings to us an offering which the fire (from heaven) shall devour." Say: "Verily, there came to you Messengers before me, with clear signs and even with what you speak of; why then did you kill them, if you are truthful?"

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Additional references, though in a different manner than the Bible [KJB]:
 

Al Ma'idah 5:2,3,95
Maryam 19:54 [see also Yusuf-Ali notation *2506]
As Saffat 37:101-107
Al Hajj 22:28,32-34,26,37
Al Fath 48:25
Al Kauthar 108:2


Now coming more to the Question itself, which concerns something which Jesus, being the Prophet, said:
 

Matthew 24:15 KJB - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
 
Mark 13:14 KJB - But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luke 21:20 KJB - And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.


Jesus, thus referenced the prophet Daniel, in Daniel chapter 9, where it was written:
 

Daniel 9:24 KJB - Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel 9:25 KJB - Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel 9:26 KJB - And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 KJB - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Question is [to the Muslims], since Jesus quoted Daniel, and Daniel states that, "... he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease ...", being tied to the work of the "Messiah", and the "sacrifices" go all the way back unto God and Adam/Eve in Genesis because of the sin of the first man, what would/did the "Messiah" do, according to prophecy from the days of Adam unto Christ's [Messiah] Jesus's day, that "cause[d]" the "sacrifice and oblation to cease"?

In other words, what does the official authentic Islamic sources teach in regards this prophecy of Daniel, that Jesus mentioned, referring to the "sacrifices" coming to an end at a very specific time, that were offered since the days of Adam's transgression?

A secondary question to any Muslim, would be, who has studied the prophecies of Daniel from Daniel 1-12 KJB, since Jesus explicitly stated that we are to read Daniel's prophecies and understand them?

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9 minutes ago, EvangAlived said:

Here is less of a video approach, and more of utilizing their own sources to ask a question that leads them to the Bible and sacrifice of Jesus:

A question for Muslims, a study of what they have written in their own sources:

I understand that the Qur'an speaks of "Isa", as "the Messiah" [Qur'anic, "Masih", to the Jews, not to Muslims until the return of 'Isa]:
 

[Note to the reader/s: Qur'anic references are given by the [Uthamanic, Zaid ibn Thabit] English Translation Author, followed by the Title/Name of the Surah, followed by the Surah number, followed with colon [:], followed by the ayah [singular, ayat, [plural]], as thus [Yusuf Ali translation, Al 'Imran 3:45] [if the translation author is left out, any translation author will generally do, but there is a few differences in ayat numbering in the Uthmanic English between various tranlsations, therefore always double check the translation cited if refering and speaking with Muslims, be accurate, etc]
 
 
[a 'surah' is like what we would call a 'chapter' but is not really, as there is no real order to any given qur'an [since it is mixed into Mecci and Medini Surah, etc, and generally goes from the largest Surah [2] to the smallest [114, Uthmanic], so it is not quite accurate to say 'chapter', and the 'ayah' [or ayat] is like unto 'verse/s', but really means 'signs, miracles, etc', and some ayah that are next to another may have no contextual connection at all to the before or after ayah/ayat]


Yusuf-Ali translation

Al 'Imran 3:45
 

Al 'Imran 3:45 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus(386), the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah(387).


Al Nisa' 4:157,171,172
 

Al Nisa' 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him,(663) but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
 
Al Nisa' 4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses(675) in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist676) it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
 
Al Nisa' 4:172 Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah,(677) nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah.: those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself(678) to (answer).


Al Ma'idah 5:19,75,78
 

Al Ma'idah 5:19 O People of the Book! Now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break(720) in (the series of) our messengers, lest ye should say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)": But now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil). And Allah hath power over all things.
 
Al Ma'idah 5:75 Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth.(783) They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them;(784) yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
 
Al Ma'idah 5:78 Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David(786) and of Jesus the son of Mary(787): because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.


Al Tawbah or Bara'ah 9:30,31
 

Al Tawbah or Bara'ah 9:30 The Jews call ´Uzair a son(1283) of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate(1284) what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah.s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!(1285)
 
Al Tawbah or Bara'ah 9:31 They take their priests(1286) and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah,(1287) and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him1288) (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).


From what I understand and have read of Islamic sources [Qur'an, aHadith [primarily Sahih], Tafsir and Tarikh, etc], the Qur'an [etal.] teaches that Adam sinned ultimately because of satan, and thus lost his garments of light in the Garden, and became naked [and attempted to hide behind the "leaves of Paradise" [Ta-Ha 20:121], and God had to clothe him [them, Adam/Eve], with the skins of the slain animals/sacrifical lamb as per:

al-Hilali-Khan translation

Al A'raf 7:26,27
 

Al A'raf 7:26 O Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc.) and as an adornment, and the raiment of righteousness, that is better. Such are among the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, that they may remember (i.e. leave falsehood and follow truth).
 
Al A'raf 7:27 O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitan (Satan) deceive you, as he got your parents (Adam and Hawwa (Eve)) out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabeeluhu (his soldiers from the jinns or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayatin (devils) Auliya (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.


Ta-Ha 20:118-121
 

Ta-Ha 20:118 Verily, you have (a promise from Us) that you will never be hungry therein nor naked.
 
Ta-Ha 20:119 And you (will) suffer not from thirst therein nor from the suns heat.
 
Ta-Ha 20:120 Then Shaitan (Satan) whispered to him, saying : "O Adam! Shall I lead you to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that will never waste away?"
 
Ta-Ha 20:121 Then they both ate of the tree, and so their private parts appeared to them, and they began to stick on themselves the leaves from Paradise for their covering. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray.


This is what was given before in the Genesis 3:1-24 KJB, and in Genesis 3:15 KJB, God promised a "seed" to the woman, and would come of the woman [not of the man]. Eve, understood this promise of God, to send the "seed", as she thinks [*] her first child is that "seed", see Genesis 4:1 KJB, "gotten a man of the LORD".

[* mistakenly, but hopefully, as every daughter of Eve since then had awaited, see Sarah [Hebrews 11:11] and God's continued promise to Abraham in regards the "seed"; Genesis 9:9, 12:7, 13:15,16, 17:7,8,9,10, 21:12, 22:17,18; Exodus 32:13, 33:1; Joshua 24:3; 2 Samuel 7:12, 22:51; 2 Chronicle 20:7; Psalms 89:3,4,29,36, 105:6; Isaiah 41:8, 45:25, 65:9, 66:22; John 7:42; Acts 3:25, 7:5,6, 13:23; Romans 1:3, 4:13,16,18, 9:7; Galatians 3:16,19,29; 2 Timothy 2:8; Hebrews 2:16, 11:18; Revealtion 12:7, etc. KJB]

Thus it was God who instituted the "sacrifice" from "the foundation of the world" [Hebrews 9:26; Revelation 13:8, 17:8 KJB] and "the shedding of blood" [Hebrews 9:22 KJB] for sin/transgression of His Law.

This "sacrifice" was continued through time, until Christ.

al-Hilali-Khan translation

Al Ma-idah 5:27-33 [Cain and Abel continue the sacrifice]

 
Al Ma-idah 5:27 And (O Muhammad*) recite to them (the Jews) the story of the two sons of Adam (Habil (Abel) and Qabil (Cain)) in truth; when each offered a sacrifice (to Allah), it was accepted from the one but not from the other. The latter said to the former: "I will surely kill you." The former said: "Verily, Allah accepts only from those who are Al-Muttaqoon (the pious - see V.2:2)."
 
Al Ma-idah 5:28 "If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear Allah; the Lord of the Alameen (mankind, jinns, and all that exists)."
 
Al Ma-idah 5:29 "Verily, I intend to let you draw my sin on yourself as well as yours, then you will be one of the dwellers of the Fire, and that is the recompense of the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)."
 
Al Ma-idah 5:30 So the Nafs (self) of the other (latter one) encouraged him and made fairseeming to him the murder of his brother; he murdered him and became one of the losers.
 
Al Ma-idah 5:31 Then Allah sent a crow who scratched the ground to show him to hide the dead body of his brother. He (the murderer) said: "Woe to me! Am I not even able to be as this crow and to hide the dead body of my brother?" Then he became one of those who regretted.
 
Al Ma-idah 5:32 Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
 
Al Ma-idah 5:33 The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.
 
 

As Saffat 37:75-83, 101-107 [Noah and Abraham continue the sacrifice]

 
As Saffat 37:75 And indeed Nooh (Noah) invoked Us, and We are the Best of those who answer (the request).
 
As Saffat 37:76 And We rescued him and his family from the great distress (i.e. drowning),
 
As Saffat 37:77 And, his progeny, them We made the survivors (i.e. Shem, Ham and Japheth).
 
As Saffat 37:78 And left for him (a goodly remembrance) among generations to come in later times:
 
As Saffat 37:79 Salamun (peace) be upon Nooh (Noah) (from Us) among the Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)!"
 
As Saffat 37:80 Verily, thus We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers - see V.2:112).
 
As Saffat 37:81 Verily, he (Nooh (Noah) ) was one of Our believing slaves.
 
As Saffat 37:82 Then We drowned the other (disbelievers and polytheists, etc.).
 
As Saffat 37:83 And, verily, among those who followed his (Noohs (Noah)) way (Islamic Monotheism) was Ibrahim (Abraham).
 
As Saffat 37:101 So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.
 
As Saffat 37:102 And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allah), so look what you think!" He said: "O my father! Do that which you are commanded, Insha Allah (if Allah will), you shall find me of As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.)."
 
As Saffat 37:103 Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);
 
As Saffat 37:104 And We called out to him: "O Abraham!
 
As Saffat 37:105 You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers - see V.2:112).
 
As Saffat 37:106 Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial
 
As Saffat 37:107 And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. - a ram);
 


Al Baqarah 2:67-73 [Moses continues the sacrifice, see also the clean and unclean in Al An'am 6:146; Al An'am 6:146 And unto those who are Jews, We forbade every (animal) with undivided hoof, and We forbade them the fat of the ox and the sheep except what adheres to their backs or their entrails, or is mixed up with a bone. Thus We recompensed them for their rebellion (committing crimes like murdering the Prophets, eating of Riba (usury), etc.). And verily, We are Truthful.]

 
Al Baqarah 2:67 And (remember) when Moosa (Moses) said to his people: "Verily, Allah commands you that you slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you make fun of us?" He said, "I take Allahs Refuge from being among Al-Jahiloon (the ignorants or the foolish)."
 
Al Baqarah 2:68 They said, "Call upon your Lord for us that He may make plain to us what it is!" He said, "He says, Verily, it is a cow neither too old nor too young, but (it is) between the two conditions, so do what you are commanded."
 
Al Baqarah 2:69 They said, "Call upon your Lord for us to make plain to us its colour." He said, "He says, It is a yellow cow, bright in its colour, pleasing to the beholders. "
 
Al Baqarah 2:70 They said, "Call upon your Lord for us to make plain to us what it is. Verily to us all cows are alike, And surely, if Allah wills, we will be guided."
 
Al Baqarah 2:71 He (Moosa (Moses)) said, "He says, It is a cow neither trained to till the soil nor water the fields, sound, having no other colour except bright yellow. " They said, "Now you have brought the truth." So they slaughtered it though they were near to not doing it.
 
Al Baqarah 2:72 And (remember) when you killed a man and fell into dispute among yourselves as to the crime. But Allah brought forth that which you were hiding.
 
Al Baqarah 2:73 So We said: "Strike him (the dead man) with a piece of it (the cow)." Thus Allah brings the dead to life and shows you His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) so that you may understand.
 
 

Al 'Imran 3:183 [Elijah continues this on Mt. Carmel, also see notation in Yusuf-Ali *489]

 
Al 'Imran 3:183 Those (Jews) who said: "Verily, Allah has taken our promise not to believe in any Messenger unless he brings to us an offering which the fire (from heaven) shall devour." Say: "Verily, there came to you Messengers before me, with clear signs and even with what you speak of; why then did you kill them, if you are truthful?"

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Additional references, though in a different manner than the Bible [KJB]:
 

Al Ma'idah 5:2,3,95
Maryam 19:54 [see also Yusuf-Ali notation *2506]
As Saffat 37:101-107
Al Hajj 22:28,32-34,26,37
Al Fath 48:25
Al Kauthar 108:2


Now coming more to the Question itself, which concerns something which Jesus, being the Prophet, said:
 

Matthew 24:15 KJB - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
 
Mark 13:14 KJB - But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luke 21:20 KJB - And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.


Jesus, thus referenced the prophet Daniel, in Daniel chapter 9, where it was written:
 

Daniel 9:24 KJB - Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel 9:25 KJB - Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel 9:26 KJB - And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 KJB - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Question is [to the Muslims], since Jesus quoted Daniel, and Daniel states that, "... he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease ...", being tied to the work of the "Messiah", and the "sacrifices" go all the way back unto God and Adam/Eve in Genesis because of the sin of the first man, what would/did the "Messiah" do, according to prophecy from the days of Adam unto Christ's [Messiah] Jesus's day, that "cause[d]" the "sacrifice and oblation to cease"?

In other words, what does the official authentic Islamic sources teach in regards this prophecy of Daniel, that Jesus mentioned, referring to the "sacrifices" coming to an end at a very specific time, that were offered since the days of Adam's transgression?

A secondary question to any Muslim, would be, who has studied the prophecies of Daniel from Daniel 1-12 KJB, since Jesus explicitly stated that we are to read Daniel's prophecies and understand them?

I don't believe, and you will find other on the board that agree, that Daniel 9:27 is speaking of Christ causing the sacrifices of the Old Testament system to end. 

in fact, there was a debate between Pastor Scott Markle and someone else about this very topic a while back, if you search for the debate you can see the results. 

I believe that the "he" of Daniel 9:27 is NOT the Messiah, but the "prince" referred to back in vs 26, and I base this on the rules of grammar. 

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43 minutes ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

I don't believe, and you will find other on the board that agree, that Daniel 9:27 is speaking of Christ causing the sacrifices of the Old Testament system to end. 

in fact, there was a debate between Pastor Scott Markle and someone else about this very topic a while back, if you search for the debate you can see the results. 

I believe that the "he" of Daniel 9:27 is NOT the Messiah, but the "prince" referred to back in vs 26, and I base this on the rules of grammar. 

Yes, Jesus is the "Messiah" "the prince" of Daniel 9:26.  Most do not understand how that is possible with the words, "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary".  It is quite simple, and has several other examples like it in scripture to corroborate.  As stated elsewhere brother Jordan, I know the super-structure and parallels of Daniel and Revelation in quite some detail.  All upon request.

Jesus caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease, in AD 31:

Heb_10:26  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb_10:12  But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb_10:18  Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

If you would like to see how Jesus is the Messiah, the Prince in Daniel 9, let me know, and how his own people destroyed the city and temple.

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EvangAlive,

He is the reference to the debate between Pastor Markle and Covenanter that brother Jordan Kurecki mentioned:

Brother Jordan is scripturally correct on the teaching, and fulfilment, of Daniel 9:26 & 27

If you would closely study the debate by Pastor Markle and Covenanter, with an open and sincere heart, you would come to the same conclusion.

I am of the persuasion that your "super-structure," and "parallels" are mistaken attempts to properly interpret scriptural prophecies. Also, I am of the persuasion that the interpretations of prophesy are those of the Seventh Day Adventist religion, or a religion similar to, the Seventh Day religion. If you told us your religions affiliation it would help all of us understand how to properly interact with you.

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1 hour ago, EvangAlived said:

Yes, Jesus is the "Messiah" "the prince" of Daniel 9:26.  Most do not understand how that is possible with the words, "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary".  It is quite simple, and has several other examples like it in scripture to corroborate.  As stated elsewhere brother Jordan, I know the super-structure and parallels of Daniel and Revelation in quite some detail.  All upon request.

Jesus caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease, in AD 31:

Heb_10:26  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb_10:12  But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb_10:18  Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

If you would like to see how Jesus is the Messiah, the Prince in Daniel 9, let me know, and how his own people destroyed the city and temple.

Seriously?????

The sacrifice and oblation DID NOT CEASE in AD31. The Jews continued their sacrifices until the Temple was destroyed.

Note VERY CAREFULLY:

Dan 9:27
(27)  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Note that the passage says : "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease"

IT DOES NOT SAY "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to become of no effect"

You are plainly wrong because you your premise is plainly wrong - the sacrifice and oblation DID NOT CEASE in AD 31.

Therefore anything you base upon that premise is also ENTIRELY WRONG.

Plain, simple, BIBLE.

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Just now, EvangAlived said:

I will then not tell you the remaining evidence.  You are not ready to receive it.

OK then - you are wrong on  your premise.

W R O N G.

The sacrifice and oblation DID NOT CEASE in AD 31.

This means that anything that you base on that premise (the premise being wrong) must also be wrong.

Explain why this makes me "not ready to receive" the remaining evidence?

The plain fact is that if your base premise is wrong, then anything you build upon that premise MUST BE WRONG.

This is basic stuff.

The only way you can proceed is to defend your premise that the sacrifice and oblation ceased in AD 31 - but you cannot, because the sacrifice and oblation continued until the Temple was destroyed and the Jews were no longer able to make the sacrifice and oblation in the Temple. The Jews would be doing sacrifice and oblation TODAY if there was  Temple in which to do it.

There is no further evidence to receive. You are WRONG.

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[Part 01] Does Islam, accept/reject the written names from Adam to Seth, in their genealogical descendancy, along with their meanings? Here is the list, from Adam to Seth, as given in scripture [KJB] [as found given in Genesis 3-5; 1 Chronicles 1:1-4; Luke 3:33-38 KJB]:

Adam -- Eve -- [Abel -- Cain] -- Seth -- Enos -- Cainan -- Mahalaleel -- Jared -- Enoch -- Methuselah -- Lamech -- Noah -- Shem.

From my present sources, Islam, seems to accept the order given in Genesis, along with an 'Arabicized' spelling [though without the mention of "Eve" [simply given as 'Hawa/Hawwa' [meaning to help/support [as Genesis 2:20 KJB, "help meet for him"]; Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Abridged 10 Volumes, PDF, pages 777, 1315, 1900], "Cain" [Qabil], and/or "Abel" [Habil] [both mentioned in Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Abridged 10 Volumes, PDF, pages 1311-1320]:

According to Ibn Ishaq's siratul Rasu'allah [the first classical work of the biographical life of Muhammad] [circa AD 765], page 3 [sectioned], we read of the Islamic genealogical line [seen in reverse from above, here]:
 

"... [page 3] ... Sam, b. Nuh, b. Lamk, b. Mattushalakh, b. Akhnukh, ... b. Yard, b. Mahlil, b. Qaynan, b. Yanish, b. Shith, b. Adam (10).* ..."


This is re-cited by Ibn Kathir, in his Abridged 10 Volume, Tafsir, PDF, page 1763-1764:
 

"... to the people of the earth after Adam. His name was Nuh bin Lamak bin Matushalakh bin Khanukh. ... he was the son of Barad bin Mahil, bin Qanin bin Yanish bin Shith bin Adam, ..."; "... This lineage is mentioned by Muhammad bin Ishaq and other Imams who document lineage. ..."


[Part 02] Does Islam, accept/reject the written names of the Family of Jacob [whose name was changed to "Israel" [Genesis 32:28; 35:10 KJB] by JEHOVAH [YHVH]], along with their meanings? [There are at least 3 listings in Scripture KJB, Genesis 29-30 & 35 & 41; 1 Chronicles 2; Revelation 7 KJB]

Judah -- Reuben -- Gad -- Asher -- Naphtali -- Manasseh -- Simeon -- Levi [**] -- Issachar -- Zebulun -- Ephraim [*] -- Joseph -- Benjamin -- Dan [*] -- [Dinah ***]

From my present Islamic sources,

a Qur'an, Yusuf-Ali translation, Yusuf (Surah) 12 is named after "Joseph", see also Al An'am 6:84; Yusuf 12:4,7,8,9,10,11,17,21,22,(31),(42),46,(47),(50),51,(55),56,58,(62),69,76,77,80,84,85,87,(88),89,90, 94,99; Ghafir or Al Mu'min 40:34 "... Joseph ..."

Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, Abridged 10 Volumes, PDF, page 613, I find mentioned "Lavi" [Levi]:
 

"... The Children of Israel ... the offspring of Lavi (Levi) ..."


Ibid., page 614, 2400, I find "Yahudha" (Judah):
 

"... the offspring of Yahudha (Judah). ...", "... name was Yahudha (Judah). ..."


a Qur'anic notation in Yusuf Ali's translation, notation 1752 on Yusuf 12:80, I find mentioned


"Reuben", "Simeon", "Levi", "Judah" & "Benjamin": "... *1752 ... The eldest brother was Reuben. ... Judah, one of the elder brothers, being the fourth son, after Reuben, Simeon, and Levi, and of the same mother as these. It was Judah who stood surety to Jacob for Benjamin (Gen. 43:9) ..."


Let's consider the meanings of these names, beginning with JEHOVAH Elohiym:
 

JEHOVAH [God]
Adam - 'red' [through earth/clay], 'the living soul', unique son of God
Eve - 'life giver', 'the mother of all living'
Abel - 'breath', 'brief', 'sorrow', 'keeper of the sheep/flock'
Cain - 'Lance/Spear', 'posession', 'tiller of the ground', 'one who pierces the ground/earth'
Seth - 'compensation', 'setting, in the place of [Abel], appointed'
Enos - 'man', 'mortal'
Cainan - 'possession', 'come to obtain'
Mahalaleel - 'praise of God [El, Elohiym]'
Jared - 'descent', 'coming down'
Enoch - 'dedicated', 'who walked with God, and was not, for God took him'
Methuselah - 'his death shall bring', 'man of the dart'
Lamech - 'powerful', 'strength'
Noah - 'comfort', 'giving of rest/peace'
Shem - 'name', 'good name' [and the character thereof].


Let's read them together:
 

JEHOVAH [God], through the 'red' of the beloved unique son, the living soul [Adam], gave life [Eve], by being pierced [Cain], and in the place of [Seth] mourning/sorrow [Abel], for mortal man [Enos], instead obtained [Cainan], the praise of God [Mahalaleel], by the descending/coming down in humility [Jared], being dedicated to/walking with God, and was later not found on earth, for God took up [Enoch], for whose death would bring [Methuselah], strength/vital force [Lamech], and comfort/rest/peace [Noah], so declaring the Good Name, the Character [Shem] [of JEHOVAH].


Providence [double entendre]. Those names read just like Revelation 12:1-5 KJB, written some 1400 years before AD 90.

Now to the "children of Israel [Jacob]", which were named, under inspiration by JEHOVAH. First I will cite the two not listed in Revelation 7, do to other specific reasons:

Ephraim - 'double ash heap', 'I shall be doubly fruitful' - see Genesis 41:52 KJB
Dan - 'a judge', 'judge' - see Genesis 30:6 KJB

In Revelation 7:5-8 KJB, citing a listing of the names of the 12 tribes of Israel in a specific order, we read:
 

Revelation 7:4 KJB - And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 7:5 KJB - Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:6 KJB - Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:7 KJB - Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:8 KJB - Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.


Let's see those names and their meanings together:
 

Judah - 'I will praise the LORD [JEHOVAH]' - see Genesis 29:35 KJB
Reuben - 'Behold, a son', 'he has looked upon me' - see Genesis 29:32 KJB
Gad - 'Given good fortune', a 'troop' - see Genesis 30:11 KJB
Asher - 'Happy', 'Happy am I' - see Genesis 30:13 KJB
Naphtali - 'Wrestling', 'My wrestling' - see Genesis 30:8 KJB
Manasseh - 'Causing to forget', 'Making me to forget' - see Genesis 41:51 KJB
Simeon - 'Heard', 'God hears me' - see Genesis 29:33 KJB
Levi - 'Joined to', 'attached me' - see Genesis 29:34 KJB
Issachar - 'There is a recompense', 'he has purchased me' - see Genesis 30:18 KJB
Zebulun - 'Exalted', 'a dwelling' - see Genesis 30:20 KJB
Joseph - 'JEHOVAH has added', 'JEHOVAH will add to me' - see Genesis 30:24 KJB
Benjamin - 'Son of the right hand', 'Son of his right hand' - see Genesis 35:17,18 KJB


Therefore, let's read them together [I will give two forms]:


I will praise the LORD [JEHOVAH] [Judah], for Behold, a Son!, (for) He looked upon me [Reuben], (and) granted a troop, very much good fortune [Gad]. Happy am I [Asher] (therfore), (because) my wrestling [Naphtali], God is making me to forget [Manasseh]. God hears me [Simeon] (and) is joined/attached unto me [Levi]. He has purchased/redeemed me [Issachar] a dwelling and lifted me up [Zebulun], (for) JEHOVAH has added to me [Joseph] (as surety), the Son of His right hand [Benjamin].


or alternatively
 

Now, will I praise the LORD [JEHOVAH] [Judah]! Behold, a Son!; (for) surely the LORD looked upon my affliction [Reuben] (and) granted His graceful good fortune [Gad] (therefore) Happy/Rejoicing am I [Asher], (even though) with great wrestlings have I wrestled [Naphtali] (but) God is making me to forget all my toils [Manasseh] (for) the LORD has heard me/my (crying) [Simeon]. He is attached and/or ever with me (I am with you, He says to me) [Levi], (for) He has redeemeed/purchased me [Issachar], lifting me up, that He may dwell with me [Zebulun], (and so) the LORD (to demonstrate this godly love) added/gave to me [Joseph], the Son of His right hand [Benjamin].


Providence. The same, yesterday, to day and for ever. The same message, the same word.
 

Luke 24:27 KJB - And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he [Jesus] expounded unto them [disciples] in all the scriptures [Old Testament, Genesis to Malachi] the things concerning himself.


Does Islam accept these written names and their Hebrew meanings?

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Didn't you state in your intro that you were interested only in what the Bible says?

So why then do you ignore the Bible when it is plain.

And why do you now appeal to my "readiness to receive" as though it somehow is my fault that the Bible plainly disagrees with your false statement?

And it does disagree with you false statement.

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3 hours ago, Alan said:

Also, I am of the persuasion that the interpretations of prophesy are those of the Seventh Day Adventist religion, or a religion similar to, the Seventh Day religion.

Brother Alan.  You have asked me to leave your thread.  I did so.

I know there is a forum rule about staying on topic.

I have answered you in the other thread.  I will answer you here again, even though it is non-sequitur to the OP and topic thereof.

Here is my religion according to scripture.  The Bible (KJB) is the final authority in all matters of faith and practice, here is the text which demonstrates that

Isa 8:20  To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If you have issue with Seventh-day Adventist, I do not have that issue or issues that you seem to have.  I would ask that you please attempt to remain on OP, which is how to win Muslims to Christ.

If you disagree with an eschatological or prophetical point, that is fine, but I expect evidence from scripture, and not this present approach.  I have studied very prayerfully and deeply.  I disagree with you based upon scripture.

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4 minutes ago, EvangAlived said:

Brother Alan.  You have asked me to leave your thread.  I did so.

I know there is a forum rule about staying on topic.

I have answer you in the other thread.  I will answer you here again, even though it is non-sequitur to the OP and topic thereof.

Here is my religion according to scripture.  The Bible (KJB) is the final authority in all matters of faith and practice, here is the text which demonstrates that

Isa 8:20  To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If you have issue with Seventh-day Adventist, I do not have that issue or issues that you seem to have.  I would ask that you please attempt to remain on OP, which is how to win Muslims to Christ.

If you disagree with an eschatological or prophetical point, that is fine, but I expect evidence from scripture, and not this present approach.  I have studied very prayerfully and deeply.  I disagree with you based upon scripture.

But you refuse to answer my point according to Scripture, instead telling me that I AM NOT READY TO RECIEVE your information that IS CONTRARY to the Bible.

According to the verse that you quote in this post - THERE IS NO LIGHT IN YOU...…….

You speak not according to the Lord's Word.


Because the Lord's Word says that the sacrifice and oblation would cease, and they did not cease at AD 31 AS YOU SAID they did.

Now, whether I am "ready to receive" or not does not make any difference to what the Word of the Lord says.

 

And it ahs been explained to you why it is important to know your affiliations - you refuse to answer, and we can only come to the conclusion hat it is because you have something to hide.

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33 minutes ago, EvangAlived said:

Brother Alan.  You have asked me to leave your thread.  I did so.

I know there is a forum rule about staying on topic.

Fair is fair. At this point I cannot stay on topic, so, I will leave as requested.

 

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Islam has a definite historical connection with Roman Catholicism, which may be documented for those those looking for further information.  Just one quick short example is the "Ashtiname".  The short listing.

Comparison:
 
Romanism
&
Islamism
 
Romanism - Must be read in the officially recognized Latin

Islamism - Must be read in the officially recognized Arabic

Romanism - Main Country is Italy, a Peninsula facing to the West
Islamism - Main Country is Arabia, a Peninsula facing to the East
Romanism - Sunday worship, first day of the week - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a3.htm
Islamism - Friday worship, sixth day of the week - Al Jumu'ah 62:9-10
 
[see Exodus 20:1-17; Exodus 20:6; John 14:15; Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:17-18]
Romanism - Sun/moon monstrance in which the 'eucharist/host' is kept
Islamism - Moon/Sun/or star symbol
 
Romanism - 8 pointed star being a symbol of RC 'Mary'
Islamism - 8 pointed star in Islam
 
Romanism - Jerome's corrupted Vulgate [corrupted the true vulgate, the Italic], corrupted Sinaiticus, Vaticanus
Islamism - Abu al Qasim's corrupted qur'an [corrupted with gnostic, talmudic, sources, etc]
 
Romanism - Creeds, so-called 'church fathers', papal bulls, encyclicals, briefs, etc.
Islamism - aHadiths, Sunnah, Tafsirs, Sharia [Islamic laws]
 
Romanism - [Roman] Canon Law [natural law]
Islamism - Sharia [Islamic law]
Romanism - a combined Religion/State power
Islamism - a combined State/Religion power
Romanism - RC 'Mary' highly exalted to co-Mediatrix, hyper-dulia, etc and Immaculate conception dogma
Islamism - Islamic 'Mary', see qur'an Maryam 19, and aHadith in which 'Mary' is 'not touched by satan'
 
Romanism - gnostic connections, Shepherdof Hermas, Thomasine, Judasine, etc
Islamism - gnostic connections, Barnabas, etc. baby 'Isa' speaks from under the womb, and cradle, and makes clay birds come to life, etc
 
Romanism - continuing 'Mass', the unbloody sacrifice
Islamism - continuing bloody animal sacrifices
 
Romanism - no victory over sin, the Auricular confessional, penances, etc [works salvation, fasting, rosaries, etc]
Islamism - no victory over sin, works salvation, the as-salat, wudu, fasting, pilgrimaages, etc
 
Romanism - War - Crusades, Inquisition - aka Office/Curia of Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
Islamism - War - Jihad, a qur'an Al Tawbah or Bara'ah 9:5,29, etc
 
Romanism - Vatican, Ultramontanism, all power in one man, popery
Islamism - Caliphate, all power in one man, Mahdi, etc. a qur'an Al Nisa' 4:65, Al Ahzab 33:36
 
Romanism - Pope's sayings, councils sayings, traditions of men
Islamism - Muhammad's sayings [aHadith], traditions of men
 
Romanism - another Intercessor, RC 'Mary', the co-Mediatrix, co-Redemptrix, Popes, Priests, 'Saints', etc
Islamism - Abu al Qasim
 
Romanism - Important women, RC 'Mary', 'Fatima' [city, so-called miracle site]
Islamism - Important women, Islamic 'Mary', Maraym 19, Fatimah the daughter of Abu al Qasim [Muhammad]
 
Romanism - monkery, monasticism, etc
Islamism - Khadija, Waraq bin Naufal, Nestor [Baeira, Pakhyras, Sergius the monk] see Hayatu'l-Qulub' by Abu Talib, or Al-Asbahani, Dala'il al-Nubuwah 1:173, or see the Jami' al-Tawarikh by Rashid al-Din Hamadani published in Tabriz, Persia, or see Ibn Hisham, Ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi, or Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, or even just plain old Yusuf Ali notations on Baeira.
 
Romanism - Pilgrimmages to Fatima, Lourdes, Vatican, Guadalupe, etc
Islamism - Pilgrimmages, the greater and lesser hajj to Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, Ka'bam, etc.
 
Romanism - state of the dead - immortal soul/spirit theology, same as pagans, occult
Islamism - state of the dead - immortal soul/spirit theology, same as pagans, occult
 
Romanism - purgatory, limbo, etc
Islamism - Barzakh, a waiting place on the other side of the as-sirat bridge, until judgment day
 
Romanism - Eternal torments in hellfire/lake of fire, a never-ending, always increasing torment
Islamism - Eternal torments [especially for women, as they are the ones to fill hell mostly] in a hellfire/lake of fire, always increasing, never-ending, in Islam there are 7 levels of Hell [Jahannam; Jahim, Jahannam, Sa'ir, Saqar, Ladha, Hawiyah, Hutamah]
Romanism - Nuns/Habits/Monks/Cloistered
Islamism - Hijab, Burkha, women cannot work, must stay in the house in a single room [a few exceptions], etc.
 
Romanism - special exorcists
Islamism - special exorcists, called the ruqyah; al-Tibb al-Nabawi
 
Romanism - beads, 'the Rosary', the vain repetitious prayers, also monk chants, breath prayers, desert 'fathers' mysticism, etc, to deaden the mind, allowing more access to the voice of satan:

"...as though they were listening to the very voice of the Blessed Mother explaining the mysteries and conversing with them at length..." [ON THE ROSARY; MAGNAE DEI MATRIS; Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII promulgated on September 8, 1892.]

Islamism - beads, the Misbah, Tasbih, Sibha, having the same effect to deaden the mind, allowing more access to the voice of satan
 
Romanism - Cantor, Intonation, Gregorian Chants
Islamism - Muslim chants, qur'anic intonation [which means recitation]
 
Romanism - earthly sanctuary at the Vatican, the Mass in Rome
Islamism - earthly sanctuary, the Ka'baa in Mecca
 
Romanism - Indulgences, forgiveness of sins, kiising pope's feet, etc
Islamism - sins forgiven by 'good' [meaning Islamic] deeds, which wipe out 'bad' [means Islamic] deeds, kissing the idolatrous black stone inside the Yoni corner.
 
Romanism - Washings for the Mass, with specifications, etc
Islamism - Wudu, religious washings, with specifications, etc
 
Romanism - claim earthly Jerusalem [a forever desolate city] for Catholicism
Islamism - claim earthly Jerusalem [a forever desolate city] for Islamism

Romanism - Captial - Rome, the self-styled and so-called 'eternal city'

Islamism - Captial - Mecca

Romanism - false understanding of angels, Michael, Gabriel and other numerous named angels in their sources, sandalfon, metatron, salthiel, saraquel, raphael, etc.

Islamism - false understanding of angels, Michael, Gabriel and other numerous named angels in their sources, Israfel, etc.
 
Romanism - Visionaries - Ignatius Loyola, etc [in a Cave]
Islamism - Visionaries - Abu al Qasim [in a Cave, Hira]
 
Romanism - private killer assassins, political rebellion creators, the Jesuits, Dominicans, Opus Dei, etc
Islamism - Hashashins [assassins]
 
Romanism - Religious Calendar - Lent, Easter, etc, etc.
Islamism - Religious Calendar - Ramadan, etc, etc.
 
Romanism - pagan practices accepted or taken over and 'baptized', all-saints day, equinoxes, etc
Islamism - pagan practices, circling the Ka'baa, throwing stones at the shaytan, etc.
 
Romanism - unscriptural food and drink allowances and forbidances [Leviticus 11; Deuteronomy 14; Acts 15; 1 Timothy 4:3 KJB]
Islamism - unscriptural food and drink allowances and forbidances, under Abu al Qasim's Halal and Haram [and Makrooh]
 
Romanism - etc. add your own
Islamism - etc. add your own
 
The two are mirrored of each other, a yin and yang, a so-called 'light' and 'dark', both in great error, yet the one [Islam] came out of the other, an attempt at an early eccumenical [Mecci] endeavor, that failed [Medini].
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Just going to ignore the fact that you have proposed a falsehood with regard to Dan 9:27?

Ignore and carry on regardless?

You sir have no foundation to stand upon, and yet you continue to try to build.

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You can't witness to a Muslim by lying about what the Bible says.

He might just go and read the passage, find that you are lying about the passage, and you have blown your testimony with him, and ruined any chance that he will come to the Lord.

 

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On ‎10‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 1:48 PM, EvangAlived said:

Romanism - claim earthly Jerusalem [a forever desolate city] for Catholicism
Islamism - claim earthly Jerusalem [a forever desolate city] for Islamism

This is really interesting - have you seen Jerusalem lately - anything but desolate - one of the most productive and fertile areas on the planet that God's people are back in God's Land. 

And strangely that greening of Jerusalem has coincided with the ever growing return of God's people. The more that return the greater their prosperity.

Actually it is not that strange:

Interesting that ONCE AGAIN, the Bible shows that you are wrong.....

Eze 36:28-38
(28)  And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
(29)  I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
(30)  And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
(31)  Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
(32)  Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
(33)  Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.
(34)  And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.
(35)  And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
(36)  Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.
(37)  Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.
(38)  As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
 

And before you go on the whole argument trail about not all of Israel turning back to God in this return - the pertinent point is that it plainly says that Jerusalem WILL BE PROSPEROUS once again - the city which YOU CLAIM (Falsely) will be "a forever desolate city".

 

 

 

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