free masons and the mark of the beast

[Doc Flay 57]

I was talking to a co-worker a few years back, who was a free mason; and we got on the subject of the mark of the beast, and he said he believes that the mark instead of being physical was more or less metaphoric; in that it is the thought of the mind and deeds of the hands. I thought his idea was interesting but not sound doctrine. 

[robycop3 11]

  The marka the beast will be LITERAL, most likely some sorta microchip, which can store all of one's financial dealings. People will be paid by uploading intel into their chip & will pay for purchases by the retailer scanning one's chip & deducting the amount of the purchase.

The tech for that chip exists right now, but, long as there's a sizable number of Christians around, it won't be accepted by too many.

[Invicta 1,502]

A chip is not a mark

 

[wretched 773]

The mark whether seen or unseen by us will be seen by the Lord friends. A mark will not even have to be made nor a chip implanted if acquiescence to the "lie" is made. The beast knows many will not take the mark out of religious belief. But these same "many" will accept the lie in order to feed their bellies and the bellies of their loved ones. Read it carefully, cards and account numbers will still be allowed by the beast. To God, anyone who accepts the lie to save their life (whether through a chip, tattoo, debit card or memorized account number) has taken the mark.

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Only the truly saved will not take the mark, nor use his name nor the number of his name to live in the industrialized world very soon . We will be electronically cutoff from everything, unable to work, drive, vote, receive medical, emergency or social services several years before the mid point. We will be persecuted like no time before it even the first centuries.

Coming soon to a neighborhood near me and you......

Edited March 13 by wretched

[robycop3 11]

On 3/13/2019 at 2:38 PM, Invicta said:

A chip is not a mark

 

As chips were unknown to John, he used a term he was familiar with.

[No Nicolaitans 3,252]

1 hour ago, robycop3 said:

As chips were unknown to John, he used a term he was familiar with.

...and you've spoken with the apostle John, and he confirmed that your interpretation is what he meant?

[robycop3 11]

9 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

...and you've spoken with the apostle John, and he confirmed that your interpretation is what he meant?

 Just COMMON SENSE.

[No Nicolaitans 3,252]

2 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

 Just COMMON SENSE.

...or maybe...just maybe...and I know this may sound completely whack-a-doodle...but m...a...y...b...e John said exactly what the Holy Spirit wanted him to say.

I know...I know...just because the Holy Spirit is God, he doesn't really know all things. So the Holy Spirit didn't really understand the difference between a mark and a chip. I see...

[robycop3 11]

12 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

...or maybe...just maybe...and I know this may sound completely whack-a-doodle...but m...a...y...b...e John said exactly what the Holy Spirit wanted him to say.

I know...I know...just because the Holy Spirit is God, he doesn't really know all things. So the Holy Spirit didn't really understand the difference between a mark and a chip. I see...

 I know, I know - the Holy Spirit gave John a crash course in computer science, but  John didn't understand it, so he wrote "mark".

[Invicta 1,502]

He could have said "a lump".  

[No Nicolaitans 3,252]

7 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

 I know, I know - the Holy Spirit gave John a crash course in computer science, but  John didn't understand it, so he wrote "mark".

Perhaps the Holy Spirit could take lessons from you since you apparently know more than he does....

Wait a minute...were you just being facetious? Oh you silly boy!

[robycop3 11]

2 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Perhaps the Holy Spirit could take lessons from you since you apparently know more than he does....

Wait a minute...were you just being facetious? Oh you silly boy!

  Does the phrase "You're full of baloney" hold any meaning for you?

[No Nicolaitans 3,252]

Just now, robycop3 said:

  Does the phrase "You're full of baloney" hold any meaning for you?

I don't know...you tell me. I'm sure you can tell us what you believe about it and what your audience wants to hear.

By the way...it's bologna...not baloney.

But you probably don't believe that, and nor does your audience...

[No Nicolaitans 3,252]

38 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

  Does the phrase "You're full of baloney" hold any meaning for you?

Now thats I'a thinks bouts it, I's wondr'n, is that frase in the Sinasticus or that fanshy-smanshy Vinasticus manuscriptus? Kausin' it hain't ina my good ole' King James versy...

 

[Jerry 134]

On 3/9/2019 at 6:23 AM, robycop3 said:

  The marka the beast will be LITERAL, most likely some sorta microchip, which can store all of one's financial dealings. People will be paid by uploading intel into their chip & will pay for purchases by the retailer scanning one's chip & deducting the amount of the purchase.

The tech for that chip exists right now, but, long as there's a sizable number of Christians around, it won't be accepted by too many.

Yup, that’s what happens after the rapture of the church - the true believing church will not be around, so the antichrist’s activities as described in the book of Revelation will be free to unfold.

[DaveW 3,789]

Once again with this kind of thing people have a habit of making categorical statements where no such statement can be made.

By all means speculate about the nature of the mark etc and what form it might take, but to state categorically that (in this instance) the mark is some form of computer chip, is going beyond what the Bible says.

This is Sooooooooooooo common when it comes to prophecy, but soooo dangerous.

Of course there is the aspect that the writer is describing as best he can something that is totally foreign to him, but for us to then make statements with certainty is just dangerous - maybe what he is describing is something that is totally foreign to us also.

But we know for certain that people will willingly and knowing take the mark, so it is not today's credit cards as some have put it, and if the cards are replaced by a chip that is implanted (as it seems certain will happen widescale because it is already being tested small scale) then we have to keep in mind that it is a knowing submission to the mark, as a recognised submission to the anti-Christ.

If then the chip implanted is done so without any sort of reference to allegiance to the Anti-Christ, then IT IS NOT THE MARK...….

[Jerry 134]

Good points, Dave. I think we can safely say that the mark will be some kind of tattoo or brand though, as the word “mark” in the book of Leviticus is referring to tattoos that God’s people are forbidden to get. If modern professing Christendom would actually obey the whole Bible then they would choose not to be like the world and not get any tattoos (marks) on their bodies, reinforcing to the world that true believers have no part in that practice - and when the antichrist and his system appear on the scene, some in the world will be thinking, “Hey wait, this is what those Christians were warning us about. Maybe I should think twice before rushing to join the rest of the world and getting this mark, number, etc.”

Regardless of how technology fits in with the mark (and yes, I do believe there will be a chip or some kind of biometrics involved to track buying and selling, etc.), the book of Revelation makes it very clear that receiving the mark will be a personal choice to worship (profess allegiance to) the antichrist and the power behind him (Satan). There will be no taking the mark as a pretense or as a disguise or being forced to against their will (as Tim Lahaye and Hal Lindsey, and some others would have us believe could happen). 

[robycop3 11]

11 hours ago, Jerry said:

Yup, that’s what happens after the rapture of the church - the true believing church will not be around, so the antichrist’s activities as described in the book of Revelation will be free to unfold.

 CORRECT!

  The tech for such a microchip implant exists now. You likely saw where two different businesses offered to implant such chips upon their employees to facilitate their opening electronically-locked doors in their HQs, but virtually all those people refused to be implanted. However, after the rapture, the opposition to the "mark" will be nil, and the "beast" will hawk it as a replacement for cash or cards, citing it to be loss-proof or theft-proof. Then, of course, his sidekick the false prophet will make it the law.

[robycop3 11]

  I believe that, when Jesus prophesied those events, or had one of His angels prophesy some of them to John on Patmos, he generally used terminology that His immediate audience could understand. Of course Jesus knew "falling stars" were meteors, but He used the common term His disciples understood. same for John and the "mark". I believe it'll be some sorta microchip, as a tattoo could be easily erased or duplicated.

 

  As for the "seal" upon the 144K Israelis at that time, it will be issued by GOD, while the "mark of the beast' will be issued by MAN.