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On 8/30/2018 at 2:31 PM, Brother Stafford said:

We are not to lower our standards for unbelievers.  Many IFB churches have adopted worldly CCM music for their services to appeal to more people.  Some have even started being okay with bible versions, other than the KJV being used by members. Churches in almost every denomination have full scale coffee shops and there are even some that have actual Starbucks in them.  Standards slip a little bit at a time and never stop falling unless intentional action is taken to stop it and/or reverse it.  We are not to lower our standards to accommodate the world.

"We" are at a time already that the standards of the KJV Bible are not even known nor taught nor accepted by most groups,  as sin has gotten deep inroads into people's lives in and out of churches.  What is a lie is called the truth,  while what is true is called a lie,  and few are able to distinguish the difference at all.

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1 Corinthians 10.32 says: "Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God".

I'm all for modesty. But there comes a point when a local church can become so legalistic, it is as if they have paraphrased 1 Corinthians 10.32 to say, instead: "Give offence, both to the Jews, and to the Gentiles, and to the church of God" if everyone from all those dispensational categories is driven away even before the service starts...

On 8/29/2018 at 5:14 PM, Thief on the Cross said:

I was told of a church that had spare neck ties at the door, if you showed up without one you were given one to put on.   

Generally speaking, the equivalent for neckties for men is widely acknowledged as earrings for women, right?

I wonder if that same local church kept a box of earrings for any woman who "dared" come in without earrings in..

(So what would you think of such a "rule", @HappyChristian? 🙂 )

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 9:29 PM, farouk said:

1 Corinthians 10.32 says: "Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God".

I'm all for modesty. But there comes a point when a local church can become so legalistic, it is as if they have paraphrased 1 Corinthians 10.32 to say, instead: "Give offence, both to the Jews, and to the Gentiles, and to the church of God" if everyone from all those dispensational categories is driven away even before the service starts...

Generally speaking, the equivalent for neckties for men is widely acknowledged as earrings for women, right?

I wonder if that same local church kept a box of earrings for any woman who "dared" come in without earrings in..

(So what would you think of such a "rule", @HappyChristian? 🙂 )

 

I don't know why you tagged me particularly, but I'll answer...I think it would be ridiculous. I've never in all my life heard of an equivalency between men's ties and women's earrings, so the comparison doesn't work for me.

That said, I don't agree with having neckties at the door to give to men who aren't wearing them. I have no issue with having extra ties available if a man needs one, but not as a requirement for everyone. 

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I see in this article that conservative business wear can include neckties for men and earrings for women:

 

https://work.chron.com/dress-part-sales-professional-3443.html

 

There are probably numerous other sources which might give broadly the same idea.

 

To me (imho) the idea of keeping a box of ties which men entering a church building are compelled to wear is bizarre.

 

If an Asian businessman visiting from his country came to an office in North America wearing a  perfectly smart suit but no necktie, to buy something from a company, no one would give him a hard time.

IMHO, if someone comes into a service in order to hear the Word of God and is not wearing a necktie, it would be odd for anyone to want to give him a hard time, as if his desire to hear the Word of God is supposedly authenticated only at the moment he puts on a necktie.

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PS: @HappyChristianAs I believe Kitagrl said quite a while ago, double pierced ears are so widespread and imho if some Christian women think similarly of them as did Kitagrl, then if there is no big deal in their minds, there need be no big deal in anyone else's, either.

(Or else conservative, Biblical churches can quickly start resembling controlling cults...)

2c...

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