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When the serpent said "Ye shall not surely die:" it was not God's word, it was the serpent's. It was neither true nor accurate.

However:

Gen 3:4 is a 100% true and accurate recounting of the lie and the liar contained within the Word of God.

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4 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

As mentioned I believe Jesus and all His prophecies even though some may mistranslate them or one of them...

I believe Jesus knew history, (Fulfilled Prophecy)and knew current events happening to HIM (Messianic Prophecy) and knew the future, meaning End Time Prophecy.

I believe in Revelation as written by the Lord, I believe in Zechariah as written by the Lord, I believe in Jeremiah as he talked about our End Time.

I am still not sure where you stand on this.

Others have answered plainly and with some qualification - note that I was not trying to be tricky with the question - I know that the words of Satan are recorded, but everything in the Word of God is recorded accurately.

Thanks to those who have "qualified" their answers in such ways, but I really did mean it in the most basic sense:

Is the Bible, from the first "In" to the last "Amen", the Holy Word of God, inspired and preserved for us today in perfectly inerrant form?

It is not a hard question, but for some reason some find it hard to answer.

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Very clear......so let me repost, from the Creation Board what I answered there.. thats surely enough answering for ya.

As mentioned I believe Jesus and all His prophecies even though some may mistranslate them or one of them...

I believe Jesus knew history, (Fulfilled Prophecy)and knew current events happening to HIM (Messianic Prophecy) and knew the future, meaning End Time Prophecy.

I believe in Revelation as written by the Lord, I believe in Zechariah as written by the Lord, I believe in Jeremiah as he talked about our End Time.

Please read 2 Olive Branches for details, but please just post prophetic scriptures, rather than posting my subjectively. Thanks

IHF

David

 

IE.. I believe in Isaiah..

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Neither have we obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.

This is a Creation and Science thread, lets do get back to the TOPIC.. Thanks

IE some people pick and choose what they want to believe...I believe in all of it....even though some mis-interpret it. IMO and have never become missionaries as the Lord told us to do.... I prefer testing and proving the truths of the Lord on the field and in person rather than just a mere mental ascent to a concept.

 

John 6..if any man will do the doctrine of the Lord..HE SAID, then they will know whether the doctrine is of the Lord. Amen ?

Thats enough, go ahead without me, on your discussion fellowship. Thanks for inviting me into the fellowship of the WORD.

Ill be working on the Staff, Rod, Branch, Pillar, Candlestick,

Lots to do...

IMO

David

 

 

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And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: I agree with my statement above... and a different one where I stated I believe in all the prophets of the Lord. For All prophecy has to mesh together in ONE, Therefore we have to consider all prophecies from all the prophets..

Cant get rid of a past

 

So this is my question to you all..

The above verse, does it mean the Lord is still speaking to us, or some of us somewhere, or has He stopped altogether everywhere.  Is He speaking no more, or has the Holy Spirit stopped whispering to us individually ? You answer then I will give you my opinion...

 

This word fellow shipping is exciting and fun.

 

Especially when we all get involved and ask and answer questions personally and compare answers.

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While you all consider your answers as to whether the Holy Spirit is still whispering and teaching and whether or not the Lord is still speaking His Words to any of us ?

I should clarify my statement a little more, as I am a believer in ALL the Bible , but even more so a believer in us,  not just mental ascent to the Bible and the Lords principles, but doing them.

Jesus said we had to do His will to understand His will and words..

 John 7 ...17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

 

He told this to the scribes and pharisees, that kept asking HIM questions... WE learn by doing, we learn and KNOW by doing what the Lord said to do. We dont learn and know by sitting back and discussing words as if just mental ascent is sufficient.

WE have to forsake all, and give all and follow Jesus to the ends of the world, until death do us part. WE have to become dsiciples and missionaries for Jesus rather than just acknowledge that the Lords WORDS are true. We have to experience them to KNOW they are true. The WORD has to be tried and tested by us, to truly be in us.

IMHO

Actually I dont know a Protestant or even a Catholic Church system anywhere that doesnt say they believe in every word of God, unless you know of one. Different denominations and churches have different bibles, but they all say they believe in the Bible.

So Yes, I am a believer in us doing the WORD OF GOD, more than just the first step of acknowledging the WORD of God. If you believe it then do it... Thats proof to me that you believe in the WORD OF GOD.

TTL I shall see more of us on the mission field where the harvest is great. Amen? Amen !

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2 hours ago, DaveW said:

I am still not sure where you stand on this.

Others have answered plainly and with some qualification - note that I was not trying to be tricky with the question - I know that the words of Satan are recorded, but everything in the Word of God is recorded accurately.

Thanks to those who have "qualified" their answers in such ways, but I really did mean it in the most basic sense:

Is the Bible, from the first "In" to the last "Amen", the Holy Word of God, inspired and preserved for us today in perfectly inerrant form?

It is not a hard question, but for some reason some find it hard to answer. 

 

1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Very clear......so let me repost, from the Creation Board what I answered there.. thats surely enough answering for ya.

As mentioned I believe Jesus and all His prophecies even though some may mistranslate them or one of them...

I believe Jesus knew history, (Fulfilled Prophecy)and knew current events happening to HIM (Messianic Prophecy) and knew the future, meaning End Time Prophecy.

I believe in Revelation as written by the Lord, I believe in Zechariah as written by the Lord, I believe in Jeremiah as he talked about our End Time. 

 

 

 

If that answer was enough for me, then I would not have quoted you into this passage for a more complete answer would I?

Do you believe that every word included on the pages of the Bible is the recorded Word of God, infallible and accurate in every way?

It seems to me that you are being evasive, and replying only in very specific and narrow ways - you believe in prophecy, both fulfilled and prophetic. You believe in Isaiah, and can I assume in Daniel since you quoted in your statement about Isaiah?????

But do you believe that Genesis is the Word of god without error?

Do you believe that Exodus is the Word of God without error?

Do you believe that Leviticus is the Word of God without error?

I think you know where I am going with this......

Do you believe that the Gospels are the Word of God without error?

Do you believe the book of Acts is the Word of God without error?

Do you believe the Pauline Epistles are the Word of God without error?

Do you believe the general epistles are the Word of God without error?

 

The reason I ask so specifically is that you seems to be using very specific wording to avoid the general answer, such as:

1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

I believe in Jeremiah as he talked about our End Time.


Of Revelation and Zechariah you say "as written by the Lord", but for Jeremiah you say "as he talked about our End Time."

Why the difference?

Why can you not just say that you believe the whole Bible is the Word of God without error and in perfection?

Everyone else who has posted here has posted clearly, but you seem to be evasive.

Why? Are you trying to hide something?

Is the whole Word of God the Word of God, and is the Word of God complete and perfect, both in its inspiration and also its preservation?

 

























































 

 

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I believe in the whole Bible.... and even more importantly obeying the whole Bible, by doing it and becoming a missionary for Jesus.

 

Do you think the Holy Spirit is still whispering and teaching

Do you think the Lord is still talking /

Do you think men can see visions and women dream dreams and old men hear from the Lord, or is that in the past.

I answered you can you answer my simple questions.

 

Isnt fellowshipping in the word fun and beneficial ?

Ill see ya all in the morning, you'll gotta sleep now.... but lets all participate and all of us answers these questions, rather than just me.... Lets all get involved and have some real fellowship of the Spirit. Lots to pray about and even more to do.

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You still are using vague wording....

1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

I believe in the whole Bible....

But do you believe that everything that is recorded in the Bible is the Word of God? (qualifiers from others above notwithstanding).

Can you say, with me, and with others here that every word of the Bible from the first "In" to the last "Amen" is the complete and perfect inspired and preserved Word of God?

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Dave

Do consider, answering my questions first, before asking me the same ones.

I do have another one for you.... but allow me to wait before we start a mutual question and answer discussion or fellowship in the Word get together.....

But as I always try to answer more and more and more, as directed by the Lord, even before you start answering.... Thanks in advance

 

4 hours ago, DaveW said:

You still are using vague wording....

But do you believe that everything that is recorded in the Bible is the Word of God? (qualifiers from others above notwithstanding).

Can you say, with me, and with others here that every word of the Bible from the first "In" to the last "Amen" is the complete and perfect inspired and preserved Word of God?

Very clear, very straight forward. Yes everything recorded in the Bible.... is the Word of God... as mentioned many times earlier.

Can you say, with me, and with others here that every word of the Bible from the first "In" to the last "Amen" is the complete and perfect inspired and preserved Word of God?

Yes, with a qualifier.... the Lord is still speaking And the Holy Spirit is still teaching and whispering to us, and Yes, Joel 2;28 and Acts 2 continues as our young men and women and old men and women are still hearing and seeing from the Lord, and that would be the new Word of God given to our LAST GENERATION....

The second qualifier being that.. John 21 ...25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.? Amen !

In other words, the Lord is a great speaker and talker and continues to speak and continues to act and answer His people.... so if it is allowed, I would say the WORD OF GOD is not limited to just the Bible but is a larger volume than just the Bible. For we can not limit the Holy One of Israel.... IMHO.

There I went an answered your questions that you were suppose to answer. So... Can you say with me and others that the Lord is still speaking and that the Holy Spirit is still teaching and whispering to us. Or have they stopped speaking and teaching and whispering to us... The Lord IMO will be speaking and talking with us on into ETERNITY and Beyond. Lets have discernment and hear from HIM...IMHO. Now whats your opinion rather than just asking more and more questions. Take time out to consider answering. Thanks.

 

Love in Jesus, our mutual Saviour and KING

David

PS) And do consider thinking through what people really believe, for their actions show what they really believe, whereas mere mental ascent to words doesnt always dictate they will follow the mental ascent they have given.  As Jesus said, If we do His doctrine then we can know the doctrine... If we havent lived the doctrine and forsaken all and picked up our cross daily and followed Him to the ends of the Earth, our mental acceptance of His Words or directions might not be as important and valid as us, obeying and doing and knowing His WORDS and doctrine. Amen ?

 

Much work to do today, have a good one brethren, great fellow shipping with you.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Yes, with a qualifier.... the Lord is still speaking And the Holy Spirit is still teaching and whispering to us, 

 

I would say the WORD OF GOD is not limited to just the Bible but is a larger volume than just the Bible.

 

...and there we have it.

 

 

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Yup, the Lord is still speaking, as He sent the Holy Ghost to us after His ascension..

Acts 2 King James Version (KJV)

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

 

End of the excerpt from the WORD OF GOD

 

I believe it, dont you all believe it. And do notice, the words of Joel, the prophet, as I was mentioning earlier. Thank you Jesus for your clear and concise answer.

Dont you all believe this WORD OF GOD ?

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The questions that you are asking are designed to cloud the issue and stop people looking at your position, and I will not therefore answer them. If you want to have that discussion then start your own thread about it and people who are interested can join you there.

If you believe that the Word of God is the perfect Word of God why did you in another thread suggest that there are mistranslations in it?

Is the Word of God that we have today the perfect Word of God or isn't it?

Is for instance the writing that Paul wrote the Word of God or not?

Or Peter's letters, or John's? 

And how about NOT misquoting the Bible as you have done here.

2 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

John 21 ...25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.? Amen !

This is not saying there is more to the Word of God no matter how you cut it.

 

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2 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

 

In other words, the Lord is a great speaker and talker and continues to speak and continues to act and answer His people.... so if it is allowed, I would say the WORD OF GOD is not limited to just the Bible but is a larger volume than just the Bible. For we can not limit the Holy One of Israel.... IMHO.

Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

PS) And do consider thinking through what people really believe, for their actions show what they really believe, whereas mere mental ascent to words doesnt always dictate they will follow the mental ascent they have given.  As Jesus said, If we do His doctrine then we can know the doctrine... If we havent lived the doctrine and forsaken all and picked up our cross daily and followed Him to the ends of the Earth, our mental acceptance of His Words or directions might not be as important and valid as us, obeying and doing and knowing His WORDS and doctrine. Amen ?

One cannot 'live doctrine' before first mentally accepting it.  Otherwise they will only be following their own heart, and that will always lead us astray.

 

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I also

Personally, I not only believe Matt 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

I also believe Rev 22:

18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

 19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It certainly seems to say that you shouldn't take away from God's Word, and you shouldn't add to God's Word, and it seems a certain someone wants to suggest that parts of the Bible are "mistranslated" at the very least, and now he wants to add to the Word of God........

Hmmmmmm.

 

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"All scripture is given by  inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16 & 17

The Bible, the Authorized Version of 1611, is perfect, or complete. 

The Christian, the man of God, does not need any other vision, addition, prophecy, or instruction from any other man, or denomination, or "prophet," to be "perfect."

All of our doctrines, 100 %, are to be taken from the Authorized Version of 1611 of the Bible. All of the extra-biblical visions, instruction, prophecies, and teachings of the modern Charismatics, false teachers, are in error and are causing confusion in the churches.

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1 hour ago, Alan said:

"All scripture is given by  inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16 & 17

The Bible, the Authorized Version of 1611, is perfect, or complete. 

The Christian, the man of God, does not need any other vision, addition, prophecy, or instruction from any other man, or denomination, or "prophet," to be "perfect."

All of our doctrines, 100 %, are to be taken from the Authorized Version of 1611 of the Bible. All of the extra-biblical visions, instruction, prophecies, and teachings of the modern Charismatics, false teachers, are in error and are causing confusion in the churches.

Yes, I have always used the KJV, and memorised about three thousand verses previously.. Good for the soul and those we witness too, should know the exact verses on which to trust in their salvation from the Lord.

Yes, it furnishes you for every good work because then you have the power to be preachers and missionaries for Jesus.

1 hour ago, DaveW said:

I also

Personally, I not only believe Matt 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

I also believe Rev 22:

18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

 19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It certainly seems to say that you shouldn't take away from God's Word, and you shouldn't add to God's Word, and it seems a certain someone wants to suggest that parts of the Bible are "mistranslated" at the very least, and now he wants to add to the Word of God........

Hmmmmmm.

 

No dont take away from the words of Revelation and discount it and say it isnt prophecy..... totally agree

Dont change them, learn from them the events and **** as stated, including Revelation 11. Bel;ieve and trust in all of it

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/RevelationsTimeline.html

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1 hour ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

I would like to see David actually show us from the Greek how the verse in Matthew 24 is “mistranslated”. David how much Greek do you even know? 

Nah.. you go ahead, I have enough trouble with English as is, Im a science type and science graduate and never went to a seminary, just heard from the Lord in the great OUTDOORS of British Columbia.

Im not a linguist and believe the KJV translators did a good job in putting it into understandable exact English. Some miks-interpret it, even then.. oh well thats their choice and their responsibility. Onward Christian soldiers

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2 hours ago, DaveW said:

The questions that you are asking are designed to cloud the issue and stop people looking at your position, and I will not therefore answer them. If you want to have that discussion then start your own thread about it and people who are interested can join you there.

If you believe that the Word of God is the perfect Word of God why did you in another thread suggest that there are mistranslations in it?

Is the Word of God that we have today the perfect Word of God or isn't it?

Is for instance the writing that Paul wrote the Word of God or not?

Or Peter's letters, or John's? 

And how about NOT misquoting the Bible as you have done here.

This is not saying there is more to the Word of God no matter how you cut it.

 

Misinterpretations in it Yes.....

But I dont know how anyone can say the Lord didnt say more than what is written in the Gospels. Everything Jesus said was the WORD OF GOD, he was literally the WORD OF GOD  SEE Revelation 19

And again, Yes I am a believer in the Holy Spirit teaching and whispering to us.I believe in the Holy Spirit and think the Lords Spirit is talking to us individually the Word of God. Each is responsible to hear HIM correctly... I never knew it was controversial; to believe in the Holy Spirit

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2 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Oh...so this is still the day of Pentecost? Please notice the verse that YOU quoted. It says "this"...

...and why did you stop at verse 18?

I can go on as all Acts is consistent and verifies that the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost and remains our teacher and whisperer in our ears of Gods WORD, even til today and onward...

But heres more of Acts 2 as you requested

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

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22 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Nah.. you go ahead, I have enough trouble with English as is, Im a science type and science graduate and never went to a seminary, just heard from the Lord in the great OUTDOORS of British Columbia.

Im not a linguist and believe the KJV translators did a good job in putting it into understandable exact English. Some miks-interpret it, even then.. oh well thats their choice and their responsibility. Onward Christian soldiers

Well I am a linguist. Baptist Bible Translators Institute graduate. I find it odd that you have now deceitfully changed your wording from “mistranslation” to misinterpretation when talking about Matthew 24. First you said it was a “mistranslation” and then when I call you to defend your statement you conveniently change your tune.

the bible is clear, no man knows the day or the hour. Now either show me how it’s mistranslated or stop with your heretical date setting. 

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50 minutes ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

Well I am a linguist. Baptist Bible Translators Institute graduate. I find it odd that you have now deceitfully changed your wording from “mistranslation” to misinterpretation when talking about Matthew 24. First you said it was a “mistranslation” and then when I call you to defend your statement you conveniently change your tune.

the bible is clear, no man knows the day or the hour. Now either show me how it’s mistranslated or stop with your heretical date setting. 

Deceit is a rather aggressive word.... besides I was not the first one to use the term mistranslation, if you look back at the thread. Someone stated that Revelation 11 was maybe a mistranslation....

I differ with you.. as mentioned and for the reasons as mentioned and the thread as produced

I believe Jesus did know ;past and future prophecy

As for the Greek, thats for you to study, most of my study and experience came from the mission field in proving that the WORD OF GOD can be trusted for me and my family. We all have that option I assume.

 

But congratulations on a good name. I have it to.. Jordan means 'descendiong judgment    SEE Crossing the Jordan

David means 'beloved... jay means just a shortended version of Jordan, as in 'J'

Nice fellowshipping with you Jordan....

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I think that we have adequate understanding of your basic rejection of the Word of God via your redefinitions, misuse of Scripture, and umbilical statements.

One last thing - since Paul wrote about half the New Testament, I would ask if you accept Paul's teaching as recorded in the Bible to be the authoritative Word of God?

And no, you ABSOLUTELY WERE the first one to talk about mistranslations. No matter how you try to throw that accusation into NoNics, it was you, not him that stated it first. 

Now, what about Paul?????

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On 8/14/2018 at 11:12 PM, Davidjayjordan said:

Jesus angel said to Johm, to read and understand and get a blessing for doing so... lets look it up.

 

But I do think ti beneficial to post the Revelation 11 verses that show distinctly that we know 3.5 days or 84 hours ahead of time when the Lord Returns..

 

How can you trust Revelation 11? What if it's mistranslated?

 

I went on the next morning after I had a good nights sleep and responded by showing that Revelation 11 was NOT a mistranslation and had specific exact timeframes before the Coming of the Lord. Itys recorded and theres no editing.

SEE Revelation 11, 2 Candlesticks, 2 Olive branches thread

 

Yes I believe, many many people misinterpret Mathew 24 concerning the Lord didnt know prophecy and no one can know any prophecy or any time frames, as I have posted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Salyan said:

He was using your words to illustrate your inconsistencies, DJJ.

Moderator Note: DJJ has been permanently banned. Discussion to clarify the topic is welcome, but he's not going to be answering again.

correct me if I'm wrong, but was he not blatantly lying to say that he was not the first one to mention mistranslation? Am I remembering wrong or was not he the one that made the statement that Matthew 24 is mistranslated?

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12 minutes ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

correct me if I'm wrong, but was he not blatantly lying to say that he was not the first one to mention mistranslation? Am I remembering wrong or was not he the one that made the statement that Matthew 24 is mistranslated?

Very possibly. I've gotten a little lost with all the near-identical lengthy posts. 

Edited to add: I took a look back to see if I could figure out who used the term first, and now my head is thoroughly spinning. If I'd read all that before he probably would have gotten banned sooner! Didn't find an answer for you. Guess I figure it's a bit of a moot point since he's gone anyways.

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16 minutes ago, Salyan said:

Very possibly. I've gotten a little lost with all the near-identical lengthy posts. 

I found a post of NN where he uses the quote feature to quote David where he said Matthew 24 is a mistranslation, this post was from a day before the one DJJ quoted in this thread, so either he lied about it being the first mention of mistranslation, or he is too incompentant to use the search bar, or he quoted that post because he thought it was the first mention of the word mistranslation.  However, I cannot find where the original post of DJJ made this statement about mistranslation, and I wonder if NN quoted it off his webpage? if not I suspect that DJJ then edited his post and then began accusing NN of first bringing up the idea of mistranslation. However, DJJ was being seriously dishonest and avoiding the fact that NN called him on his mistranslation comment, whether it was from a post or a website or not, that man is deceptive. Notice when I pressed for linguistic evidence for his statement about Matthew 24 being a mistranslation he just refused to address it and then changed his wording to "misinterpretation".

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For the sake of clarity, I was pressing this guy on this point because he is dishonest.

Everyone can see the evasive manner in which he answers what others clearly answered in single short posts.

Here is part of the reason why: (from his website)

"Paul versus Jesus

Sometimes Paul wrote his opinion rather than 
the Lord's  .....

1Corinthians 7:6 But I speak this by 
permission,and NOT of commandment.

And yet church people worship His opinions 
about women, inequality, anti- sexuality, 
nationalism and patriotism as if they were the 
WORD OF GOD".

This is a gross misinterpretation of this verse.

 

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Okay...just for further clarification. Here are the quotes showing that he was the first to say anything about mistranslations.  Please notice the dates and times of each quote.

Post 1: His original post about it. I have enlarged the font on the particular sections to make it easier to find.

Post 2: My response to his assertions. This quote may not make sense, because it only quoted me and doesn't include what I quoted from him.

Post 3: My post asking him how he could trust Revelation 11. This is the one that he claims was the first to mention mistranslations in God's word. How he got that, I don't know.

Post 4: His "shock" that I said there are mistranslations in God's word. 

Also, I didn't take the time to find his other posts; in which, he again said that the portions of scripture stating that "no man knows" are mistranslated.

 

On 8/14/2018 at 12:18 PM, Davidjayjordan said:

No Nicolates... (Spelling?)

 

This might be a further explanation for you.

 

We know the Day and Hour

  We will know the day and hour of the Lord's Return because the Lord distinctly says in Revelation 11, that it occurs exactly 3 and a
half days after they are killed by the Anti-Christ. Right now, we dont know this exact timing because the TWO CHRISTIAN
WITNESSES only are in prominence during the Great TRIBULATION of 3 and a half years. But now we do know the season and
timing and events the Lord so painstakingly and accurately He told all his prophets.... Daniel being the primary one. Again just read
Mathew 24. For all these prophecies from HIS PROPHETS were not  written down in vain. They were given so we would know the
timing and sequence of events in the End Time. The Lord did not leave us in the dark, as we can know the timing of the Lord's
RETURN. It will not come suddenly and unexpectedly to the Lord's people, only to those that are asleep and are worldly. So when it
says in .........


Mathew  24:36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father

 This makes no sense, because the Lord said that three and half days, after the killing of our two witnesses, Then shall be His Second Coming. This being in direct contradiction of Mathew 24: 36

Revelation  11:11 ¶ And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and
great fear fell upon them which saw them.


 Consequently we can be reassured of the hour and day of the Lord's RETURN during the darkest day when our TWO LEADERS
are killed and all looks bleak for us and our annihilation. For then we know the Lord is coming to rescue us !!! But no time before that,
we have to go through all the events til the final seventh trumpet. Only death itself can rapture us before the FINAL RAPTURE.

 For again, if you read after verse 36, the Lord said that the heathen didn't know and yet His man NOAH did KNOW  and Noah's
family did KNOW the timing of the GREAT FLOOD..


Mathew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the
flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until
the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


 And again the true WORD of God says, we will know and not be in darkness...

1Thessalonians 5: 4-6  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of
light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore letus not sleep, as do] others; but let us watch
and be sober.


 So don't tell me or us that nobody knows and nobody should study and pray, and know prophecy before hand ....... as the Lord
shows us His Prophecy. We are not supposed to be dumb and blind. For have not these deniers read previous to Mathew 24: 36...
where the Lord said ...


Mathew  24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

  For the Lord's words is PROPHECY, and as He has said, every word and every prophecy shall not fail. They shall all be fulfilled.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. The lion hath roared, who
will not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but PROPHESY ?


  Consequently we may not know the exact day and hour right now, but BEFORE it happens, the Lord shall tell us, The Lord shall
tell us of things to come..... He knew, and He will tell us..
So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation, because Jesus
was from the BEGINNING and knew all things, He was 'God' and as God, knew His design for the future, and planned to show His
people His Plan and reveal His Prophecy and His TIMING.


In My Opinion

David Jay Jordan

 

On 8/15/2018 at 12:19 AM, No Nicolaitans said:

 

Excuse me? Are you saying that you don't set Second Coming dates? If so, then yes sir, you most definitely do. I agree; it's foolishness.

 

 

So you're conveniently giving yourself an out if your dates don't work out...just have to recalculate them...over and over and over and over and over. Why set dates at all then?

 

 

We? Hmmm...are you an Orthodox Jew who follows the law? If not, why would it matter to you to pray that your flight not be on the sabbath day?

 

 

So, you plan to move to Judaea?

 

 

I don't need to recalculate...and you don't either.

 

 

I don't negate prophecy; I love studying it. What I do negate is false-prophecy. 

 

 

Would it have been more palatable had I said, "I adjure you to change your mind about setting dates, and don't do it any more."?

 

 

I'm sorry, but since you apparently copied and pasted some of the above from your website, I'm unable to divide up your post into sections to respond to them succinctly. Therefore, I'll use the "quote" option to highlight the parts that I'm responding to...

 

 

I have to admit...this is the first time that I've ever heard anything like that...

 

 

It makes no sense to you, because you are more devoted to setting dates (and finding verses to twist in order to fit your date-setting) than you are to allowing the plain words of the Lord Jesus Christ to tell you that NO...MAN...KNOWS. How do you get the Second Coming from the resurrection of the two witnesses? Now THAT makes no sense. Are you saying that because the Spirit of life from God entered into them, that's the Second Coming? Good grief man...REPENT! Look at what it says...great fear fell upon them which saw who? THEM...the two witnesses! The world saw them. When Christ returns, every eye will see who? HIM...the Lord Jesus Christ!

 

 

How did they know? Did they have to figure it out by figuring out dates on a timeline with clues given in Scripture? Well, first, there was no recorded scripture at that time...so that's out. So how did they know? They knew because God himself...plainly told Noah himself...that it was coming. No secret timeline; God gave it to him upfront and personal.

 

 

Hmmm...sounds like someone here who denies the words of the Lord when he clearly and plainly says...NO MAN KNOWS. However, those words pass away from you, don't they?

 

 

So, when the Lord Jesus Christ plainly says that no man knows...you chalk that up as being contrary or...a MISTRANSLATION!!! Good grief man...repent, Repent, REPENT!

So now you're willing to say that all of God's word can't be trusted; however, you have full assurance that all of those verses that you base your date-setting on can be trusted. REPENT, REPENT, REPENT!!!

You have no business proclaiming to teach anyone God's word when you are willing to shun the sections off that you don't agree with...and then have the audacity to say that they are contrary or a mistranslation.

 

 

Again with Noah? REPENT!!!

 

 

To any readers, the quote above was in reference to the verses that I posted earlier regarding "no man knows"...

Davidjayjordan, you might want to double-check your claim that all of those verses came from one discussion.

 

Postlogue:

Sir, when you joined and immediately posted your date-setting timeline, I tried to respectfully warn you that no one on this forum believed in setting dates. No one on this forum accepts setting dates! I had hoped that by my doing so, you would refrain from any further activity regarding such. However, your apparent proclivity for setting dates...and your justification for doing so...was more important to you than anything else.

I have shown you the words (of the Lord Jesus Christ) that no man knows. However, that apparently doesn't apply to you...or the countless others who for whatever reason...have decided that they can set dates.

You twist scripture to say things that they obviously don't say or mean. I hate to say this, but your interpretation of the two witnesses is probably the worst case of this I've ever seen.

The final straw though...the final straw was for you to have the audacity to proclaim that the Lord Jesus Christ's own words were contrary or mistranslated. Those words throw a wrench in your date-setting spokes, so you brush them off and are bold enough to say that they are contrary or mistranslated! How can you even attempt to "teach" anything regarding God's word in light of that? Shame on you...repent, Repent, REPENT!!!

 

On 8/15/2018 at 1:19 AM, No Nicolaitans said:

 

How can you trust Revelation 11? What if it's mistranslated?

 

On 8/15/2018 at 1:30 AM, Davidjayjordan said:

 

Nicolatanes, I was just about to go to sleep and you post th above. Do you have any idea what you just posted. You are doubting the veracity of Revaltion as Prophecy... but you only do this because you have never studied Zechariah or the Two olive branches or two pillars or the two candlesticks in prophecy. IE you are a total newbie prophetically speaking...

Im almost speechless in shock.
Mathew 24 about Jesus not knowing the times of the Lord God is surely a mistranslation as the Lord stated exactly that Daniel was His prophet and that Noah was before the Flood.

Do you not realise how many times these 2 witnesses are mentioned in prophecy

 

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/2WitnessesofRevelation.html

 

Got to go, I qess the Lord allowed you to make such a blunder, to show you truly dont know any prophecy

 

IHPS

 

David

then knew, I would be fishing dead men out of the water rather than living ones. And I would be
wasting my life as more died around me and drowned. Is this what I wanted? Is this the kind of
fisherman I wanted to be ….No !

So, that very night I got back into my pick-up camper and headed back to Vancouver and back to
Christian service.  And by the Grace of God with bumps along the way,  I and my family have been
doing it ever since, because I don’t want to fish dead men,  but be a ‘fisherman for the LORD of
LORDS’

In His Service

Jordan Fisherman
(David Jay Jordan)

 

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