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The message is static, your dates have changed over the years as each prophecy has been proven wrong. I read many of your predicted dates on different forums, starting in 2009. As each date you advocated for passed, you conveniently changed it. You have failed the test of a prophet because the thing you spoke did not come to pass as you predicted.

These are not my assertions, they are there online for anyone to see just by using the Google search engine and searching for your username.

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Not to beat a dead horse now that Davidjayjordan has been banned, but I want to say one last thing... To Davidjayjordan (if you return here to see what has happened since you've been banned...and

Well, September 21st came and went without the signing of the covenant by the 10 nations as foretold by Mr. Jordan. I hope this will be a lesson to him and anyone else who sets dates. No man

Sir, I will try to say this as respectfully as possible. While I realize the amount of effort and study that you put into figuring out your timeline...on this site, you won't find anyone who

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The seven years start on this day. Oh, that day passed this year. It starts on the same day on this different year. Oh, passed again. It starts on it on this next year. Hey, hey --- I'm not setting dates, I'm just saying it starts on this date this year instead of the earlier attempts but it's not setting dates.:4_12_2::4_6_2v:

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1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

If people or disciples would just forsake all and follow the Lord and His teaching and go into all the world and preach the good news before its too late, it would be GREAT, but they dont as most sit at home in comfort.

Where is this on your website?

As far as I can see, there is no way of salvation shown on your website - or if it is, it is pretty well hidden which goes precisely against your statement that I have quoted.

You have a whole website (which seem to be determined to recreate here for some reason), and yet your call to go and preach the good news is not evident on your website - unless the good news you are talking about is only prophecy, and sex, and mysticsm, and levitation!!!!!!!

 

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14 minutes ago, DaveW said:

Where is this on your website?

As far as I can see, there is no way of salvation shown on your website - or if it is, it is pretty well hidden which goes precisely against your statement that I have quoted.

You have a whole website (which seem to be determined to recreate here for some reason), and yet your call to go and preach the good news is not evident on your website - unless the good news you are talking about is only prophecy, and sex, and mysticsm, and levitation!!!!!!!

 

Dave you have to be kidding...

Salvation Here

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Salvation.html

Jesus Here

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Jesus.html

15 articles including Eternal Salvation

Bible study Chapters sub board

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/BibleStudyChapters.html

12 chapters

Three full subboards of Bible Mysteries or truths 1, 2 and 3

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Biblemysteries.html

 

Why do you want to accuse... is it because of prophecy and timelines ? Very strange

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1 hour ago, Jim_Alaska said:

The message is static, your dates have changed over the years as each prophecy has been proven wrong. I read many of your predicted dates on different forums, starting in 2009. As each date you advocated for passed, you conveniently changed it. You have failed the test of a prophet because the thing you spoke did not come to pass as you predicted.

These are not my assertions, they are there online for anyone to see just by using the Google search engine and searching for your username.

Yea, the first one is failed prophecy concerning Iran,

 

David Jay Jordan's Failed Prophecy - International Skeptics Forum

www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79325

Apr 12, 2007 - David Jay Jordan's Failed Prophecy Religion and Philosophy.

 

But then again they are atheists and skeptics that are paid to be skeptics.... and so of course they would throw off a Christian... Not a problem.

 

 

And what is happening now in Iran in conjunction with Syria, the Golan, Palestine, sanctions against Russia, Syria, and of course Iran... it seems some are not reading the news. but if you differ and you think nothing is going to happen, and you differ, so be it. Not a problem, you and I are allowed to differ... if you like your timeline or no timeline, it doesnt bother me at all. If you think the events wont fall on the Lords holy days but at random days without rthyme or reason, not a problem.Go ahead, not a problem.

Ill keep winning souls and teaching creationism and teaching prophetic events of the future, just as you all are doing HERE. No difference, you dont have a timeline or the timing, but so what, its just a discussion baord and you dont have to know the timing at least you are talking about prophetic events...

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Dude, maybe you should look at your website then, because it certainly was not obvious to me.

Sometimes we get so used to seeing things that we miss the truth - the truth is that it is NOT OBVISOUS on your homepage.

Not accusation, just the simple facts as reported by a visitor to your website.

 

You have not one easily visible link to anything that states simply that there is a way of salvation.

Even now, I go and look on your homepage and I cannot see the link to the "salvation" article.

I cannot see the link to your  "Jesus here"  page with your "15 articles".

Bible study chapters could be anything, but certainly there is no indication that salvation can be found (I assume it would be covered of course).

Bible mysteries pages? who is going to look for salvation under "Bible mysteries"?

You can get as defensive as you like about it, but the SIMPLE FACT is that your homepage is so cluttered and confused that if someone came onto it looking to know about salvation, they would most likely leave NEVER HAVING FOUND anything pointing them to salvation.

They could find out about your take on all sorts of things prophecy.

They could find out about what you say about sex.

They could find out about what you have to say about meditation and the paranormal, and Magick(!), and levitation, but again THERE IS NOTHING OBVIOUS POINTING TO SALVATION on your homepage.

 

I STILL CAN'T FIND THE LINK TO YOUR SALVATION PAGE on your homepage, and you are telling me that it is clearly there!

If you want to have a page about prophecy and all sorts then fine, but don't then go spouting on about people not going out and telling people about Christ, when it is such a small part of your homepage that someone who is specifically looking for the link cannot find it......

 

Rework your homepage and make it more prominent - NO, MAKE IT OF TOP PROMINENCE.

Salvation is of FAR MORE IMPORTANCE than prophecy. And I am NOT saying that prophecy is unimportant.

 

 

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I finally found a small link that simply says "Jesus". It is plain text in amongst a jumble of other text the same size and font, and it is possible that someone might just stray onto it looking for info.

So it is there - but there is so much else that is so much more prominent.

And it still doesn't mention salvation specifically on the homepage as far as I can see.

 

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48 minutes ago, DaveW said:

Dude, maybe you should look at your website then, because it certainly was not obvious to me.

Sometimes we get so used to seeing things that we miss the truth - the truth is that it is NOT OBVISOUS on your homepage.

Not accusation, just the simple facts as reported by a visitor to your website.

 

 

You have not one easily visible link to anything that states simply that there is a way of salvation.

Even now, I go and look on your homepage and I cannot see the link to the "salvation" article.

I cannot see the link to your  "Jesus here"  page with your "15 articles".

Bible study chapters could be anything, but certainly there is no indication that salvation can be found (I assume it would be covered of course).

Bible mysteries pages? who is going to look for salvation under "Bible mysteries"?

You can get as defensive as you like about it, but the SIMPLE FACT is that your homepage is so cluttered and confused that if someone came onto it looking to know about salvation, they would most likely leave NEVER HAVING FOUND anything pointing them to salvation.

They could find out about your take on all sorts of things prophecy.

They could find out about what you say about sex.

They could find out about what you have to say about meditation and the paranormal, and Magick(!), and levitation, but again THERE IS NOTHING OBVIUOUS POITNING TO SALVATION on your homepage.

 

I STILL CAN'T FIND THE LINK TO YOUR SALVATION PAGE on your homepage, and you are telling me that it is clearly there!

If you want to have a page about prophecy and all sorts then fine, but don't then go spouting on about people not going out and telling people about Christ, when it is such a small part of your homepage that someone who is specifically looking for the link cannot find it......

 

Rework your homepage and make it more prominent - NO, MAKE IT OF TOP PROMINENCE.

Salvation is FAR MORE IMPORTANCE than prophecy. And I am NOT saying that prophecy is unimportant.

 

Actually calling me a DUDE is not a very friendly opening. Do try and show common respect..

 

As for my website, the opening page is all the subboards of all the different mysteries that can be solved and sshow that Jesu or the Creator is the answer. Do take more than a quick one second look before you judge shallowly.

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/index.html

Sorry I just added all my new postings which are taken directly from a real creation/evolution board, theres about thirty new creationist threads there... Do note, creationists means and supports our Creator JESUS.. meaning its Christian oriented and answers Christians or searchers questions.

To reach the subboard called Jesus, go to the Jesus sub board...  Of courdse, right there in the index page

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Jesus.html

Hope you like the graphics and picture of Jesus, our Saviour, it shows He has compassion just as we are suppose to have compassion and love to one another, even those that are not Baptist.

MY posts always end up with salvation and Jesus.. always.

My Bible studies are thereIN, and obvious,

Salvation I repeat is there and is hyperlinked on different subboards back to Salvation or Jesus where Salvation is displayed.

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Salvation.html

Do you have a website that better explains salvation and tries to draw in searchers and seekers in a better way. Please do post your link ? Thanks

 

But as mentioned I have been doing this online missionary work since 2001, so have more than ten million hits, which is quite good, and still counting. But if you can do better, please help me and well share ideas and experiences andposts. Thanks

 

I shall psot all of salvation as you seem to have a great interest in Salvation from my website

Brethren, why do you keep using the word spouting so often, does that word make your posting more accurate or more damning against me. Lighten up

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14 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

As mentioned NO Nicolaites,

Dont set 2nd Coming dates....

Its foolishness, when there are so many exact events and times ahead that will confirm the Lords Timeline.

 

Excuse me? Are you saying that you don't set Second Coming dates? If so, then yes sir, you most definitely do. I agree; it's foolishness.

 

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Lots of time to recalculate. Wait, consider, research etc etc etc..

 

So you're conveniently giving yourself an out if your dates don't work out...just have to recalculate them...over and over and over and over and over. Why set dates at all then?

 

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Besides according to Daniel 9 and Revelation we are to flee in the middle of the last SEVEN Years.

 

We? Hmmm...are you an Orthodox Jew who follows the law? If not, why would it matter to you to pray that your flight not be on the sabbath day?

 

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This said over and over and over and over again...3.5 years, 42 months, time times and a dividing of time.. its repeated by the Lord so that we would consider it.

At this point we had better have moved to the right location and be in the right frame of mind mentally and spiritually to obey and keep being used by the Lord... as we exodus, to Kadesh Barnea, following the route of our past Christian forefather..and where he and they stayed.

In other words, 3.5 years before 2025 we had better have obeyed, if we want to continue, otherwsie we shall easily be negated by the AC and his ilk much previous to 2025 IMO.

 

So, you plan to move to Judaea?

 

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So lets consider the possibilities and see if the exact signposts come and are fulfilled.... and then lets recalculate, and search and research and PRAY... for knowledge and discernment.

 

I don't need to recalculate...and you don't either.

 

12 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

I adjure you to consider prophecy rather than negating it...

For prophecy was meant to be studied and reviewed and talked about rather than us being told not to talk about the specific time frames the Lord gave through His prophets. His prophets spoke encathedral and THUS SAITH the LORD, so I reckon it is of value to talk about these time frames and events leading up to His Second COMING.

If you differ, so be it. Disregard this timetable possibility and have no timeline. Your choice and your responsibility as we are all mature Christians HEREIN.

 

I don't negate prophecy; I love studying it. What I do negate is false-prophecy. 

 

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But please, no more of this Repent stuff for searching sxriptures and searching time frames from the prophets in a PROPHECY FORUM. Just lighten up and disagree..No problem

 

Would it have been more palatable had I said, "I adjure you to change your mind about setting dates, and don't do it any more."?

 

12 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

No Nicolates... (Spelling?)

 

This might be a further explanation for you.

 

We know the Day and Hour

  We will know the day and hour of the Lord's Return because the Lord distinctly says in Revelation 11, that it occurs exactly 3 and a
half days after they are killed by the Anti-Christ. Right now, we dont know this exact timing because the TWO CHRISTIAN
WITNESSES only are in prominence during the Great TRIBULATION of 3 and a half years. But now we do know the season and
timing and events the Lord so painstakingly and accurately He told all his prophets.... Daniel being the primary one. Again just read
Mathew 24. For all these prophecies from HIS PROPHETS were not  written down in vain. They were given so we would know the
timing and sequence of events in the End Time. The Lord did not leave us in the dark, as we can know the timing of the Lord's
RETURN. It will not come suddenly and unexpectedly to the Lord's people, only to those that are asleep and are worldly. So when it
says in .........


Mathew  24:36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father

 This makes no sense, because the Lord said that three and half days, after the killing of our two witnesses, Then shall be His Second
Coming. This being in direct contradiction of Mathew 24: 36


Revelation  11:11 ¶ And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and
great fear fell upon them which saw them.


 Consequently we can be reassured of the hour and day of the Lord's RETURN during the darkest day when our TWO LEADERS
are killed and all looks bleak for us and our annihilation. For then we know the Lord is coming to rescue us !!! But no time before that,
we have to go through all the events til the final seventh trumpet. Only death itself can rapture us before the FINAL RAPTURE.

 For again, if you read after verse 36, the Lord said that the heathen didn't know and yet His man NOAH did KNOW  and Noah's
family did KNOW the timing of the GREAT FLOOD..


Mathew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the
flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until
the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


 And again the true WORD of God says, we will know and not be in darkness...

1Thessalonians 5: 4-6  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of
light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore letus not sleep, as do] others; but let us watch
and be sober.


 So don't tell me or us that nobody knows and nobody should study and pray, and know prophecy before hand ....... as the Lord
shows us His Prophecy. We are not supposed to be dumb and blind. For have not these deniers read previous to Mathew 24: 36...
where the Lord said ...


Mathew  24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

  For the Lord's words is PROPHECY, and as He has said, every word and every prophecy shall not fail. They shall all be fulfilled.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. The lion hath roared, who
will not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but PROPHESY ?


  Consequently we may not know the exact day and hour right now, but BEFORE it happens, the Lord shall tell us, The Lord shall
tell us of things to come..... He knew, and He will tell us.. So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation, because Jesus
was from the BEGINNING and knew all things, He was 'God' and as God, knew His design for the future, and planned to show His
people His Plan and reveal His Prophecy and His TIMING.


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David Jay Jordan

 

I'm sorry, but since you apparently copied and pasted some of the above from your website, I'm unable to divide up your post into sections to respond to them succinctly. Therefore, I'll use the "quote" option to highlight the parts that I'm responding to...

 

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We know the Day and Hour

  We will know the day and hour of the Lord's Return because the Lord distinctly says in Revelation 11, that it occurs exactly 3 and a
half days after they are killed by the Anti-Christ.

 

I have to admit...this is the first time that I've ever heard anything like that...

 

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So when it
says in .........


Mathew  24:36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father

 This makes no sense, because the Lord said that three and half days, after the killing of our two witnesses, Then shall be His Second
Coming. This being in direct contradiction of Mathew 24: 36


Revelation  11:11 ¶ And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and
great fear fell upon them which saw them.

 

It makes no sense to you, because you are more devoted to setting dates (and finding verses to twist in order to fit your date-setting) than you are to allowing the plain words of the Lord Jesus Christ to tell you that NO...MAN...KNOWS. How do you get the Second Coming from the resurrection of the two witnesses? Now THAT makes no sense. Are you saying that because the Spirit of life from God entered into them, that's the Second Coming? Good grief man...REPENT! Look at what it says...great fear fell upon them which saw who? THEM...the two witnesses! The world saw them. When Christ returns, every eye will see who? HIM...the Lord Jesus Christ!

 

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 For again, if you read after verse 36, the Lord said that the heathen didn't know and yet His man NOAH did KNOW  and Noah's
family did KNOW the timing of the GREAT FLOOD..

 

How did they know? Did they have to figure it out by figuring out dates on a timeline with clues given in Scripture? Well, first, there was no recorded scripture at that time...so that's out. So how did they know? They knew because God himself...plainly told Noah himself...that it was coming. No secret timeline; God gave it to him upfront and personal.

 

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For have not these deniers read previous to Mathew 24: 36...
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Mathew  24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 

Hmmm...sounds like someone here who denies the words of the Lord when he clearly and plainly says...NO MAN KNOWS. However, those words pass away from you, don't they?

 

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So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation

 

So, when the Lord Jesus Christ plainly says that no man knows...you chalk that up as being contrary or...a MISTRANSLATION!!! Good grief man...repent, Repent, REPENT!

So now you're willing to say that all of God's word can't be trusted; however, you have full assurance that all of those verses that you base your date-setting on can be trusted. REPENT, REPENT, REPENT!!!

You have no business proclaiming to teach anyone God's word when you are willing to shun the sections off that you don't agree with...and then have the audacity to say that they are contrary or a mistranslation.

 

11 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Did the Lord bark at the two disciples walking to  *****Asmus****, and tell them to repent because they were talking about the events after the Lords Crucifixtion.. or did He explain the prophecies concerning them. Must find those scriptures

For it also says the Holy Spirit will tell us all things.... and because we need wisdom and discernment in the End Times to do our best, rather than just idily waiting for our removal, I again would venture to say the Holy Spirit will be whispering at us, to know the times and seasons and events so we will be prepared mentally, physically and spiritually... rather than being in the dark.

Did Noah know the times, Yes... did the outsides know the times NO.

 

Needless to say I think it helps to be prophecy wise, and know the sign posts and wait for the signposts and reLOOK at the map over and over again, so as to make the right turns in the right TIME to get to our final DESTINATION...and a 'WELL DONE THY GOOD and FAITHFUL SERVANT... by our Lord...JESUS

 

IMHO.

 

David

 

Again with Noah? REPENT!!!

 

11 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

All those verses come from one discussion the Lord gave His disciples concerning the Temple Mount and Temple worship that the religious system was into..

 

To any readers, the quote above was in reference to the verses that I posted earlier regarding "no man knows"...

Davidjayjordan, you might want to double-check your claim that all of those verses came from one discussion.

 

Postlogue:

Sir, when you joined and immediately posted your date-setting timeline, I tried to respectfully warn you that no one on this forum believed in setting dates. No one on this forum accepts setting dates! I had hoped that by my doing so, you would refrain from any further activity regarding such. However, your apparent proclivity for setting dates...and your justification for doing so...was more important to you than anything else.

I have shown you the words (of the Lord Jesus Christ) that no man knows. However, that apparently doesn't apply to you...or the countless others who for whatever reason...have decided that they can set dates.

You twist scripture to say things that they obviously don't say or mean. I hate to say this, but your interpretation of the two witnesses is probably the worst case of this I've ever seen.

The final straw though...the final straw was for you to have the audacity to proclaim that the Lord Jesus Christ's own words were contrary or mistranslated. Those words throw a wrench in your date-setting spokes, so you brush them off and are bold enough to say that they are contrary or mistranslated! How can you even attempt to "teach" anything regarding God's word in light of that? Shame on you...repent, Repent, REPENT!!!

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Dude is just a term, a name, a designation - I might have "Mate" or "Bloke" or whatever - there is no inherent disrespect in it. That you have chosen to take it that way is unfortunate and I assure no disrespect was intended.

As to my observations on your website - you obviously are not interested in constructive criticism.

And no I am no "internet theologian" - I prefer to spend my time in a real church amongst real people. I have no particular internet or website expertise.

I am an INTERNET USER and as such, I have made some observations on your website.

I will say it one more time for your benefit - what you do with the information is up to you. 

Your website is confusing to look at.

If I was someone "searching for a way to solve the troubles of my life, searching for the answers of this life, searching for that.... something....." I would have a great deal of trouble finding those answers on your site.

I would give up and look somewhere else, because there is no obvious place to find out about salvation on your homepage.

 

You obviously don't like that fact, but after many visits, and some concerted searching, after being directed by you from elsewhere (here, not your website) I FINALLY found the link to the Jesus page and on that page there is an article that is called salvation.

Not many people are going to go to that sort of effort to find it.

Take it or leave it, but that is the simple truth from an INTERNET USER.

 

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No Nicoltanes... a bit too long of a read to respond to..

 

But as mentioned I am a Christian, who was baptized ina Baptist church, and Yes some of my heritage is Jewish, but I am hardly Jewish in my religion as I came from a an atheistic background and yet choose Jesus, because I sensed HIm in the outdoors and then meet HIM personnally sort ot speak and received salvation if I said that in the proper Baptist way...

But somewhere NON... you said you never heard about the exact three and a half day time frame, that our Two Christian witnesses die at the hands of the AC right in the steps of the 3rd Temple which is the world headquarters for the AC.

 

Its Revelation 11... its not a fancy interpretation but very straight forward and exact. And by its exactness shows we will knwo exactly the day and even the hour of the Lords Second Coming. Do you want me to make this a new TOPIC ?

 

Here it tis...

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11&version=KJV

 

revelation 11

 

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

 

And surely you dont want me to go into detail about this application HEREIN and HEREON. But its clearly about our Two Christian Witnesses who die at the hands of the AC and his lynch mob, as they kill those that have tormented their evil rule of 3.5 years.... for they lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3.5 days. meaning 84 exact hours, and then the Lord comes to resurrect them and all others at the SEVENTH TRUMPET.

Sorry you have been stymied again in your accussations against me, as I have just again proven that we are supposed to knwo the timing of the Lord and His SECOND COMING..its there, deny it if you will.

Should we make this a new thread ?

If you want specific answers to specific questions, just ask rather than speculate and post isolated half sentences that you think trap me into so called contradictions. Ask and I shall answer. Be respectful and I will respond.

IJN

David

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

No Nicoltanes... a bit too long of a read to respond to..

 

Sure you can. 

 

5 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

 

But as mentioned I am a Christian, who was baptized ina Baptist church, and Yes some of my heritage is Jewish, but I am hardly Jewish in my religion as I came from a an atheistic background and yet choose Jesus, because I sensed HIm in the outdoors and then meet HIM personnally sort ot speak and received salvation if I said that in the proper Baptist way...

But somewhere NON... you said you never heard about the exact three and a half day time frame, that our Two Christian witnesses die at the hands of the AC right in the steps of the 3rd Temple which is the world headquarters for the AC.

 

Its Revelation 11... its not a fancy interpretation but very straight forward and exact. And by its exactness shows we will knwo exactly the day and even the hour of the Lords Second Coming. Do you want me to make this a new TOPIC ?

 

No, I don't want you to make it a topic.

 

5 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

 

Here it tis...

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11&version=KJV

 

revelation 11

 

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

 

And surely you dont want me to go into detail about this application HEREIN and HEREON. But its clearly about our Two Christian Witnesses who die at the hands of the AC and his lynch mob, as they kill those that have tormented their evil rule of 3.5 years.... for they lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3.5 days. meaning 84 exact hours, and then the Lord comes to resurrect them and all others at the SEVENTH TRUMPET.

 

No...that's not what happens. It's not worth going back and forth with you though.

 

5 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Sorry you have been stymied again in your accussations against me, as I have just again proven that we are supposed to knwo the timing of the Lord and His SECOND COMING..its there, deny it if you will.

 

Sir, you haven't proven anything other than you teach strange doctrine and deny God's word when it suits you.

 

5 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Should we make this a new thread ?

 

No.

 

5 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

If you want specific answers to specific questions, just ask rather than speculate and post isolated half sentences that you think trap me into so called contradictions. Ask and I shall answer. Be respectful and I will respond.

IJN

David

 

 

 

??? Half-sentences? 

I asked a specific question; which was...

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Do the words of the Lord Jesus Christ (regarding his second coming) have no bearing on the fact that you have set a date of August 10, 2025 for his return?

 

To which, you eventually responded with...

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This makes no sense, because the Lord said that three and half days, after the killing of our two witnesses, Then shall be His Second
Coming. This being in direct contradiction of Mathew 24: 36

 

...and later clarified even further with...

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So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation, 

 

So...I have no desire to read anything else that you have to say about scripture. Call me rude or disrespectful if you want. I was very respectful with you at first, but it didn't help to curb your desire to spread your false teaching. After all, that's your goal, isn't it. To spread your teachings for others to read? Good grief man...that's how you started out here.

So no, please don't start any other topics.

REPENT!!!

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6 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Jesus angel said to Johm, to read and understand and get a blessing for doing so... lets look it up.

 

But I do think ti beneficial to post the Revelation 11 verses that show distinctly that we know 3.5 days or 84 hours ahead of time when the Lord Returns..

 

How can you trust Revelation 11? What if it's mistranslated?

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Repent, if you mean dont post Revlation 11 because it supports my attempting to put together times and events together cohesively from all the prophets. OK.

Dont read Revelation and pretend it was never written, and stick with no timelines and or no sequence of events... OK your choice....

I have posted on lots of subjects HERE Salvation Soul winning, the False religion fo Materialism, Catholicism etc etc... nto a problem.. if you are snesitive about prophecy, its your website or someones websote, I dont even know who the head moderator is... your choice your responsibility.

 

I love the Two witnesses as they are Christians and they have fire and courage and aren;t whimps and whoosies. backed up by Esdras 12, exactly, and so may other prophets through out the ages... amazing truths, but if you say NO, it cant be posted... so be it..your choice and your responsibility.

 

Onward Christian Soldiers

 

But please reframe from name calling, its uncalled for and you know it. Just say we differ,

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1 minute ago, Davidjayjordan said:

backed up by Esdras 12, exactly

Hmmmm - that's not in my Bible as far as I ca tell - I have looked at the index and all...…...

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3 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

 

How can you trust Revelation 11? What if it's mistranslated?

 

Nicolatanes, I was just about to go to sleep and you post th above. Do you have any idea what you just posted. You are doubting the veracity of Revaltion as Prophecy... but you only do this because you have never studied Zechariah or the Two olive branches or two pillars or the two candlesticks in prophecy. IE you are a total newbie prophetically speaking...

Im almost speechless in shock.
Mathew 24 about Jesus not knowing the times of the Lord God is surely a mistranslation as the Lord stated exactly that Daniel was His prophet and that Noah was before the Flood.

Do you not realise how many times these 2 witnesses are mentioned in prophecy

 

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/2WitnessesofRevelation.html

 

Got to go, I qess the Lord allowed you to make such a blunder, to show you truly dont know any prophecy

 

IHPS

 

David

then knew, I would be fishing dead men out of the water rather than living ones. And I would be
wasting my life as more died around me and drowned. Is this what I wanted? Is this the kind of
fisherman I wanted to be ….No !

So, that very night I got back into my pick-up camper and headed back to Vancouver and back to
Christian service.  And by the Grace of God with bumps along the way,  I and my family have been
doing it ever since, because I don’t want to fish dead men,  but be a ‘fisherman for the LORD of
LORDS’

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13 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

 

Nicolatanes, I was just about to go to sleep and you post th above. Do you have any idea what you just posted. You are doubting the veracity of Revaltion as Prophecy... but you only do this because you have never studied Zechariah or the Two olive branches or two pillars or the two candlesticks in prophecy. IE you are a total newbie prophetically speaking...

Im almost speechless in shock.
Mathew 24 about Jesus not knowing the times of the Lord God is surely a mistranslation as the Lord stated exactly that Daniel was His prophet and that Noah was before the Flood.

Do you not realise how many times these 2 witnesses are mentioned in prophecy

 

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/2WitnessesofRevelation.html

 

Got to go, I qess the Lord allowed you to make such a blunder, to show you truly dont know any prophecy

 

IHPS

 

David

then knew, I would be fishing dead men out of the water rather than living ones. And I would be
wasting my life as more died around me and drowned. Is this what I wanted? Is this the kind of
fisherman I wanted to be ….No !

So, that very night I got back into my pick-up camper and headed back to Vancouver and back to
Christian service.  And by the Grace of God with bumps along the way,  I and my family have been
doing it ever since, because I don’t want to fish dead men,  but be a ‘fisherman for the LORD of
LORDS’

In His Service

Jordan Fisherman
(David Jay Jordan)

Oh no - it is you that threw doubt on the Word of God in the post that NN quoted. He is simply saying that if you doubt other parts of God's Word, how do you know you can trust Rev 11?

A fair question.

I can assure you that NN believes that the whole of God's Word is inspired by God. We have discussed such things before.

It would be really good if you stopped misrepresenting people's statements.

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Just now, Davidjayjordan said:

 

Nicolatanes, I was just about to go to sleep and you post th above. Do you have any idea what you just posted. You are doubting the veracity of Revaltion as Prophecy... but you only do this because you have never studied Zechariah or the Two olive branches or two pillars or the two candlesticks in prophecy. IE you are a total newbie prophetically speaking...

Im almost speechless in shock.
Mathew 24 about Jesus not knowing the times of the Lord God is surely a mistranslation as the Lord stated exactly that Daniel was His prophet and that Noah was before the Flood.

Do you not realise how many times these 2 witnesses are mentioned in prophecy

 

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/2WitnessesofRevelation.html

 

Got to go, I qess the Lord allowed you to make such a blunder, to show you truly dont know any prophecy

 

IHPS

 

David

then knew, I would be fishing dead men out of the water rather than living ones. And I would be
wasting my life as more died around me and drowned. Is this what I wanted? Is this the kind of
fisherman I wanted to be ….No !

So, that very night I got back into my pick-up camper and headed back to Vancouver and back to
Christian service.  And by the Grace of God with bumps along the way,  I and my family have been
doing it ever since, because I don’t want to fish dead men,  but be a ‘fisherman for the LORD of
LORDS’

In His Service

Jordan Fisherman
(David Jay Jordan)

 

So...I've never studied any of that, and I'm a "prophecy-newbie"? I hate to say this, but here goes...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! 

Sir, I'm not the one who doubts God's word; you are. 

You are in shock? Imagine my shock when you (a self-proposed Bible teacher) had the audacity to claim that the Lord Jesus Christ's own words were mistranslated...all because they counter your proclivity for setting dates. Setting dates is more important to you than accepting Christ at his word! Has nothing entered your heart and mind that tells you...Oh dear, Christ says that no man knows. Perhaps I'm wrong about this. 

Has it not occurred to you that since you are willing to proclaim that when Christ says that no man knows, it is mistranslated...then how in the world can you trust any of God's word? If that's mistranslated, then what else is? Zechariah, Revelation, Daniel? How do you know they aren't mistranslated? 

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"So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation"

This statement was made by Davidjayjordan in response to NN's posting Scripture from the words of our Lord Jesus Christ!!!! If I have overlooked the original post by DJJ, someone please correct and direct me. However, it appears to have been edited out. Fortunately, NN  used the quote feature thereby preserving the evidence for posterity and verification. IF, and I do say if, it has indeed been removed by the poster then it shows a willingness to be dishonest in order to disparage NN's stance of the accuracy of Scripture.

I realize that typos, letter order reversals, and quick self-proofreading is not indicative of poor grammar and spelling. It is rather disturbing, however, that someone who has 4 years of college would repeatedly eliminate apostrophes, fail to capitalize proper nouns, and have sentences that are as difficult to read as an individual who is struggling to express themselves in a non-native tongue. Another thing that makes the linguistic stumbling seem misaligned with the biographical claims is my impression that Commonwealth natives (and with one elderly Britisher, one young Canadian, and one middle aged [I think] Australian here, they can correct me if I have a mistaken impression) are rather persnickety about their language.

A man (Will Rogers) once said, "If you find yourself in a hole, QUIT DIGGING" or you can alter an old phrase to read "Stop now, while you are behind".

I was on the verge of locking this thread (and possibly others) .

DANGER -- thin ice!

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8 hours ago, DaveW said:

Oh no - it is you that threw doubt on the Word of God in the post that NN quoted. He is simply saying that if you doubt other parts of God's Word, how do you know you can trust Rev 11?

A fair question.

I can assure you that NN believes that the whole of God's Word is inspired by God. We have discussed such things before.

It would be really good if you stopped misrepresenting people's statements.

Sorry Dave W. No Nicol... stated clearly that he thinks Revelation 11 is mistranslated because it differs with Mathew 24's 'nobody knows anything about prophecy, including Jesus because only God knows anything and God never told anyone anything so that nobody knows anything' verse. This is why No Nicol... doesnt want a verse from the Word of God or the whole Chapter being posted.

 

Lets post it here again

 

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

 

But I am not allowed to post this chapter, simply because it contradicts your theory that nobody can know anything because it distinctly gives one the time frame for the Great Trib before the Lord comes, and twice states that 3 and a half days after they kill our Christian prophets the Lord comes BACK, which is the 2nd Coming.

Is No Nicol the moderator HERE ?

 

Why cant we post the Word of God, Dave W... isnt  Revelation the WORD OF GOD. Did the Lords angel's words get mistranslated as No Nicol stated, or is it the WORD OF GOD that is repeated over and over and over again in various WORD OF GOD PROPHETIC BOOKS.

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8 minutes ago, OLD fashioned preacher said:

"So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation"

This statement was made by Davidjayjordan in response to NN's posting Scripture from the words of our Lord Jesus Christ!!!! If I have overlooked the original post by DJJ, someone please correct and direct me. However, it appears to have been edited out. Fortunately, NN  used the quote feature thereby preserving the evidence for posterity and verification. IF, and I do say if, it has indeed been removed by the poster then it shows a willingness to be dishonest in order to disparage NN's stance of the accuracy of Scripture.

I realize that typos, letter order reversals, and quick self-proofreading is not indicative of poor grammar and spelling. It is rather disturbing, however, that someone who has 4 years of college would repeatedly eliminate apostrophes, fail to capitalize proper nouns, and have sentences that are as difficult to read as an individual who is struggling to express themselves in a non-native tongue. Another thing that makes the linguistic stumbling seem misaligned with the biographical claims is my impression that Commonwealth natives (and with one elderly Britisher, one young Canadian, and one middle aged [I think] Australian here, they can correct me if I have a mistaken impression) are rather persnickety about their language.

A man (Will Rogers) once said, "If you find yourself in a hole, QUIT DIGGING" or you can alter an old phrase to read "Stop now, while you are behind".

I was one the verge of locking this (and possibly others) thread.

DANGER -- thin ice!

Yea, you dont want me to post a new thread where I just post the WORD OF GOD.. Revelation 11 that  that contradicts , the nobody knows anything verse that helps those that know nothing feel at ease in knowing nothing.

Besides I just came to verify the math of my graph from my peers who couldnt find anything mathematically or biblically wrong with my graph. Mission accomplished as you must have realized your mistake now,concerning the 0 BC and 0 AD difference in a timeline. And all the while you were the moderator HERE, I would have never known, but at least you admitted you were aggressive..

Got to fly.

Can I post Revelation 11, the exact WORD OF GOD, whether in any translation available even though the KJV is the best.

I await your permission... its your website.

As for authority over me in real life, I decline your authority over me as Jesus has that right as my AUTHORITY, Lord and MASTER.

 

IHS

 

David

 

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8 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

 

So...I've never studied any of that, and I'm a "prophecy-newbie"? I hate to say this, but here goes...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! 

Sir, I'm not the one who doubts God's word; you are. 

You are in shock? Imagine my shock when you (a self-proposed Bible teacher) had the audacity to claim that the Lord Jesus Christ's own words were mistranslated...all because they counter your proclivity for setting dates. Setting dates is more important to you than accepting Christ at his word! Has nothing entered your heart and mind that tells you...Oh dear, Christ says that no man knows. Perhaps I'm wrong about this. 

Has it not occurred to you that since you are willing to proclaim that when Christ says that no man knows, it is mistranslated...then how in the world can you trust any of God's word? If that's mistranslated, then what else is? Zechariah, Revelation, Daniel? How do you know they aren't mistranslated? 

Yes you are definitely wrong that nobody knows nothing... for even yourself HEREIN you state you know something. Thats contradictory to your WORD OF GOD statement that nobody knows anything and even Jesus apparently knows nothing as well according to your verse. I differ,

And Yes, you mistrust Revelation 11 and Zechariah and Jeremiahs statement about the 2 Witnesses also called the 2 olive branches, the two pillars, the two branches, the two candlesticks.. You say Revelation 11 is a mistranslation because you dont know anything about the 2 Christian Witnesses, and so claim its all a mistranslation so that NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING principle remains intact and untouched. This even though you start a prophecy forum to apparently discuss such topics of what you believe is nothing ness as NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING is the RULE.

 

Do excuse if I return just one LOL..

Im a moderate and so only make one LOL . It all that is needed.

 

Got to fly to other threads..

IHS

David

No Nicol... why were telling me I cant post Revelations 11 word for word, when you are not the MODERATOR HERE and therefore wouldnt have the right to deny permission for me to post the WORD OF GOD.

Apparently the Old Fashioned Preacher is the MODERATOR HERE, shouldnt you have asked permission from him to stop me from posting the WORD OF GOD ?

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No, you are the one who threw doubt on God's Word, which NN pointed out.

He was making the point that since you think there are mistranslations - errors - in God's Word, then how can you trust any of it.

No matter how you try to misrepresent the matter several people have now pointed out that you are wrong.

You are wrong.

NN believes the whole Bible is the inspired Word of God and is infallible - we have discussed this previously.

Do YOU believe that the entire Bible is the inspired Word of God?

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1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Yea, you dont want me to post a new thread where I just post the WORD OF GOD..

 

Yeehaw. Care to show where I stated such I thing? Hint -- I DIDN'T!

As I stated before -- NN QUOTED (via "quote" feature when posting) where YOU made the following statement in response to Mat 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. "So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation". It was your statement ( So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation" ) that prompted NN to SARCASTICALLY ask if you (personally) felt that you (personally) could trust Rev 11 since YOU said (in reference to Mt24) "So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation" .

Okay, you don't like the way you've been handled? Appeal. To whom? We have two admins. First - JimAlaska. Don't like the previous interaction with him? Go to the Big Dog, the owner of the site, Bro. Matt. If you find yourself banned (don't try to say you will be banned, I said IF it happens) you need to cry to Bro. Matt anyway, not one of us.

Incidentally, where were you told you couldn't "just post the WORD OF GOD"? The member with the screen name Omega has been doing that for a LOOONG time.

 

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 Halleluia, you all are very confusing, so you are saying I can post Revelations 11 as a new thread..

I think No Nicol, said I couldnt, so I shall give you ten minutes to change your mind and then shall post the WORD OF GOD, as you inferred I could.

 

Thanks 10-8-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-

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2 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Yea, you dont want me to post a new thread where I just post the WORD OF GOD.. Revelation 11

Can I post Revelation 11, the exact WORD OF GOD, whether in any translation available even though the KJV is the best.

 

IHS

 

David

 

 

10 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

 Halleluia, you all are very confusing, so you are saying I can post Revelations 11 as a new thread..

I think No Nicol, said I couldnt, so I shall give you ten minutes to change your mind and then shall post the WORD OF GOD, as you inferred I could.

 

Thanks 10-8-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-

Note --you claimed you were not allowed to "just post the WORD OF GOD" to which I said ain't so.

You didn't ask if you could start a thread with your comments on how they may or may not be viewed.

And I think you already know it MUST be KJV

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6 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

 Halleluia, you all are very confusing, so you are saying I can post Revelations 11 as a new thread..

I think No Nicol, said I couldnt, so I shall give you ten minutes to change your mind and then shall post the WORD OF GOD, as you inferred I could.

 

Thanks 10-8-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-

I didn't see anywhere where NN said you couldn't post Scripture.

How about you quote the offending post so that we can all see that you are not just making it up to discredit another member here.

By the way, do you believe the whole Bible is the Bible (God's inspired Word), or are there parts of it that are not inspired/not accurate?

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On 8/14/2018 at 12:18 PM, Davidjayjordan said:

No Nicolates... (Spelling?)

 

This might be a further explanation for you.

 

We know the Day and Hour

  We will know the day and hour of the Lord's Return because the Lord distinctly says in Revelation 11, that it occurs exactly 3 and a
half days after they are killed by the Anti-Christ. 


Mathew  24:36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father

 This makes no sense, because the Lord said that three and half days, after the killing of our two witnesses, Then shall be His Second
Coming. This being in direct contradiction of Mathew 24: 36



So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation, 

 

On 8/15/2018 at 1:30 AM, Davidjayjordan said:

Mathew 24 about Jesus not knowing the times of the Lord God is surely a mistranslation

 

 

So there. We now have it on record that you have twice proclaimed there are "mistranslations" in God's word.

Not only that, you have proclaimed that there is a contradiction in God's word (See the first quote above).

In addition, you have proclaimed that the verses which disprove your proclivity for date-setting are "contrary".

Furthermore, by default, you have proclaimed that since there are portions of God's word which are mistranslated, contradictory, and contrary to your insistence that you can know the day and hour of the Lord's Second Coming, then God's word on this matter makes "no sense".

Again I ask you sir...if you so willingly accept that there are mistranslations, contradictions, and verses that are contrary to you...how can you possibly trust (or believe) any of God's word?

Wouldn't it be much simpler to admit that you are wrong about setting dates?

_______________________________________________________________________________

Postscript: I've wondered why some of your posts contain such long blank spaces in them. I finally figured it out. I'm not sure why you're doing it, but here's an example of one of your posts; in which, you have changed the font color to hide the extra "information" that you included in those types of posts. 

First, here's a quote of such...

If you place your mouse cursor to the right of the last word "David" (in the quote below), hold the left mouse button down, and move the mouse downward...the hidden will be revealed. This also works in the original post. Not sure why you're doing this...

On 8/15/2018 at 1:30 AM, Davidjayjordan said:

 

Nicolatanes, I was just about to go to sleep and you post th above. Do you have any idea what you just posted. You are doubting the veracity of Revaltion as Prophecy... but you only do this because you have never studied Zechariah or the Two olive branches or two pillars or the two candlesticks in prophecy. IE you are a total newbie prophetically speaking...

Im almost speechless in shock.
Mathew 24 about Jesus not knowing the times of the Lord God is surely a mistranslation as the Lord stated exactly that Daniel was His prophet and that Noah was before the Flood.

Do you not realise how many times these 2 witnesses are mentioned in prophecy

 

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/2WitnessesofRevelation.html

 

Got to go, I qess the Lord allowed you to make such a blunder, to show you truly dont know any prophecy

 

IHPS

 

David

then knew, I would be fishing dead men out of the water rather than living ones. And I would be
wasting my life as more died around me and drowned. Is this what I wanted? Is this the kind of
fisherman I wanted to be ….No !

So, that very night I got back into my pick-up camper and headed back to Vancouver and back to
Christian service.  And by the Grace of God with bumps along the way,  I and my family have been
doing it ever since, because I don’t want to fish dead men,  but be a ‘fisherman for the LORD of
LORDS’

In His Service

Jordan Fisherman
(David Jay Jordan)

 

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On 8/14/2018 at 5:18 PM, Davidjayjordan said:

. Again just read
Mathew 24. For all these prophecies from HIS PROPHETS were not  written down in vain. They were given so we would know the
timing and sequence of events in the End Time. The Lord did not leave us in the dark, as we can know the timing of the Lord's
RETURN. It will not come suddenly and unexpectedly to the Lord's people, only to those that are asleep and are worldly. So when it
says in .........

No they were not. It was written to warn the christians of the destuction of the templs and the coming war and telling them to flee when they saw the armies, and impending doom of the nation under the Roman armies. Christians did flee when they saw those armies and were saved fro the carnage.

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8 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

If allowed, I would say the prophecy concerns the future rather than the past. Prophecy concerns the future.

 

Please see other thread on 2 Olive Branches, 2 Witnesses.. etc..

You do realize that the parts of the Lord's prophecy that were fulfilled in 70 AD WAS future from the time the Lord foretold it.

 

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That concerned the Romans coming and burning down the Temple, to get the gold and remove the temple worship of the scribes and pharisees in hopes their rebellion would be put down for they were a rebellious lot as prophesied by Moses.

That prophecy is in the first four or five verses of Mathew 24, if I am allowed to state this. For even the disciples were tempted to worship a place and a building or temple rather than the living Temple which was before them. .

For the religious people also mis-understood Jesus reference to DESTROY this temple and in three days I will raise it up.... and with their misunderstanding had a false witness against Jesus, saying Jesus said, He would destory the 2nd Temple of the Jews. NO Jesus was referring to his own body, for He was the Temple of God, made of living stones.

IIALTST

 

David

 

Lets get off this thread.... and go to 2 Olive Branches, so no one gets offended... Thanks

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