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[Standing Firm In Christ]

Deuteronomy 14 says nothing about the festival tithe being three times a year.

What book are you reading out of?

The storehouse was near the tabernacle, but was not in the tabernacle. The tithe was never taken in the Tabernacle.

As to Abram, the tithe he gave was of the spoils of war... out of Abram's own country, and again, not to the Church or Tabernacle.

Tithing to the Church was never required in the Word of God.

As to the redeeming of the crops (flocks and herds were not premitted to be redeemed as they were holy unto the Lord and one would have to kill animals to add the 5th part thereunto), Scripture did not say what they were redeemed with, but it had to be other crops, for Scripture is clear... tithes were to be eaten.

[KayceeLochner]

[quote="Standing Firm In Christ"]Deuteronomy 14 says nothing about the festival tithe being three times a year.

What book are you reading out of?

The storehouse was near the tabernacle, but was not in the tabernacle. The tithe was never taken in the Tabernacle.

As to Abram, the tithe he gave was of the spoils of war... out of Abram's own country, and again, not to the Church or Tabernacle.

Tithing to the Church was never required in the Word of God.[/quote]


Well, I know that we are supposed to give back to God what He gave to us, but I was really wondering who came up with the idea of 10%, because it's not 80%, it's not 40%, but it's 10%.

[Jerry]

God is the one who came up with the idea of 10% - that is what "tithe" means (ie.one-tenth).

[Pastor Matt]

KayceeLochner, thanks for bring this back on topic. Like Jerry said, the definition of the word tithe is one-tenth. If you look up the word "tithe' in the dictionary you will see what the definition of the word is.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tithe

So anytime someone says tithe it is literally means one-tenth.

[Guest Guest]

[b]This post is in regards to Melchizedek (Melchisedec.) [/b] :hijack: [b]I wanted to clear this matter up with scripture.[/b]

The scriptures come mainly from [b]The Epistle to the Hebrews.[/b]

The job of the men who were high priests was to represent man to God according to Hebrews 5:1. In contrast the job of the prophet was to represent God to man. For hundreds of years the Hebrews had men who served as their representatives to God. The reason God allowed men to represent men to Him is given in Hebrews 5:2. It provided a compassion for those of their kind becasuse they knew the struggles others faced. In Hebrews 5:3 he explains how the high priest had to offer for himself before he could offer for others.

But Jesus demonstrated that He is [b]better[/b] because He was begooten of God for the task of being the permanent High Priest according to Hebrews 7:25-28. He is from the order of the High Priest of Melchisedec in Hebrews 5:10, who ministered in behalf of Abraham to the Lord and to whom Abraham gave [b]tithes[/b] in Genesis 14:20. There is every reason in chapter 7 to believe Melchisedec was a temporary body in which the Lord Jesus lived over a 1,000 years before His birth in Bethlehem. [b]Note:[/b] The numerous likenesses especially in Hebrews 7: 2-3 where it describes Him as [b]"being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is King of Peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life;" [/b] The pre-Bethlehem appearnace of Jesus into NOT reincarnation because Jesus had NOT died to take on this new body of Melchisedec. We do NOT have a record of the body of Melchisedec dying so Jesus could reincarnate at Bethlehem. He simply appeared momentarily in a physical body until the day He would take on the body that did die and rise from the dead that we will see some day according to Revelation 1:7. Reincarnation is wishful thinking to the lost person because he does not desire to respond to truth yet in the back of his mind he knows he is rejecting truth and he hopes that if he has made the wrong choice that he will be given other opportunities to try again. Hebrews 9:7 makes it clear that death is once and then the oppointment of the judgment must be kept.

The summary of this is given in Hebrews 4: 15-16. This is Jesus' Superiority (better than the men who were high priests.) Which priest would you rather have? Hebrews 8:1-5 also realtes His superiority as The High Priest. Come bodly. Come often. :amen:

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Scripture does not say Jesus was Melchizedek. He came after the order of Melchizedek.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

To say Jesus was this Melchizedek is to place Him as the king of a pagan country and an alli of the king of Sodom... which is clear that they were allies by Scripture.

Scripture declares Melchizedek was the king of Salem. He did not just 'appear momentarily.'

Melchizedek was not a Christophany, nor was he a Theophany.

[Pastor Matt]

How is KayceeLochner going to find the answer to her question if you are not answering her question? Are we trying to help her or prove others wrong?

[Standing Firm In Christ]

[quote="BroMatt"]How is KayceeLochner going to find the answer to her question if you are not answering her question? Are we trying to help her or prove others wrong?[/quote]

Brother Matt,
I did answer her earlier. The tithe or 10% originated pre-Law. According to many Bible encyclopedias it was practiced by pagans prior to law. What

[Standing Firm In Christ]

[quote="KayceeLochner"][quote="Standing Firm In Christ"]Deuteronomy 14 says nothing about the festival tithe being three times a year.

What book are you reading out of?

The storehouse was near the tabernacle, but was not in the tabernacle. The tithe was never taken in the Tabernacle.

As to Abram, the tithe he gave was of the spoils of war... out of Abram's own country, and again, not to the Church or Tabernacle.

Tithing to the Church was never required in the Word of God.[/quote]


Well, I know that we are supposed to give back to God what He gave to us, but I was really wondering who came up with the idea of 10%, because it's not 80%, it's not 40%, but it's 10%.[/quote]

As BroMatt pointed out, tithe meant literally 'a tenth' Pre-law, the heathen nations gave 10% of their income to pagan kings and gods.

Once God established the Law for the Israelites, He too required a tenth as a tithe. But, according to Numbers the tithe was only crops flocks and herds. The crops, if redeemed, had to be paid back at some point in crops... 30% of their total crops to be exact. This is evident by the fact that 'money' cannot be eaten and tithes were to be eaten. Flocks and herds could not be redeemed.

[Guest Guest]

[quote="BroMatt"]How is KayceeLochner going to find the answer to her question if you are not answering her question? Are we trying to help her or prove others wrong?[/quote]

Hi Br. Matt. :smile Standing Firm in Christ asked me for scriptural proof on Melchizedek (Melchisedec-Greek form) yesterday and I gave it. I didn't mean to :hijack: this thread. I already answered where the first scripture of tithing began in the Bible for Kaycee...Genesis 14:20.

[Guest Guest]

Standing Firm in Christ...do these scriptures sound like a pagan god to you? Hebrews 7:1-3...FOR this Melchisedec (Greek form of the word), king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
To whom also Abraham gave a [b]tenth[/b] part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. KJV.

[Jerry]

[quote="Standing Firm In Christ"]Melchizedek was not a Christophany, nor was he a Theophany.[/quote]

Many sound Christians without an agenda would beg to differ - and so does God's Word. Hebrews 7 is pretty clear that Melchizedek was a type of Christ ("[i]but made unto the Son of God[/i]") - so you are arguing with God to prove your "theory."

For those who like to study Scripture instead, here is an article from the Way of Life Encylopedia:

[quote][b]MELCHISEDEC, MELCHIZEDEK[/b]

(king of righteousness). Melchizedek (Ge 14:17-20) foreviews Jesus Christ (Ps 110:4; Heb 5:6-10; 7:1-28).

HIS CITY. Melchizedek reigned in Salem (Ge 14:18). This later became Jerusalem, and will be Christ's reigning city (Ps 76:2; Zec 8:3-8).

HIS NAME. Melchizedek means "king of righteousness." He was also of Salem, which means peace (Heb 7:2). In the Lord Jesus Christ righteousness and peace have met. He makes peace between God and man because He paid man's sin debt (Ro 5:1). There can be no real peace without righteousness (Isa 48:22; 57:21).

HIS PROVISION. Melchizedek provided bread and wine for Abraham (Ge 14:18). This foreviews Christ's provision of His body and blood for the needs of His people (Mt 26:26-28).

HIS OFFICE. Melchizedek was king (Ge 14:18), priest (Ge 14:18), and prophet (Ge 14:19). The Lord Jesus Christ also is Prophet (De 18:15; Ac 3:22), Priest (Hebrews 7-10), and King (1Ti 6:14-15).

HIS AUTHORITY. Melchizedek received tithes of Abraham (Ge 14:20; Heb 7:4-9). This is the first mention of tithing in the Bible, and it was long before God gave the law of Moses. Tithing has always been God's normal plan for the support of His earthly work. God's people today are to tithe of their income for God's great program of world evangelism. Tithing honors God as the Giver and Possessor of all (Pr 3:9-10). HIS WORK. He ministered to God's people (Ge 14:18; Mt 20:28). He blessed God's people (Ge 14:19; Lu 24:51). He glorified God (Ge 14:20; Joh 17:4).

HIS MYSTERY. There is a mysterious aspect to Melchizedek, because the Bible says he had no beginning of days nor end of life (Heb 7:3). This reminds us that Jesus Christ is the eternal Son of God. Roman Catholic priests are ordained after the order of Melchizedek, but this is blasphemy because no man other than Jesus Christ can rightfully be a priest after this the order. Six times in the Bible God says Jesus Christ is of the order of Melchizedek (Ps 110:4; Heb 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:17,21).[/quote]

[Standing Firm In Christ]

[quote="candlelight"]Standing Firm in Christ...do these scriptures sound like a pagan god to you? Hebrews 7:1-3...FOR this Melchisedec (Greek form of the word), king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
To whom also Abraham gave a [b]tenth[/b] part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. KJV.[/quote]
Jerry,
Aaccording to ISBE, Wycliffe, and other Bible commentaries, when Melchizedek greeted Abram, he addressed him as servant of the most high God (elyon), he did not recognize Jehovah as LORD as Abram had affirmed he was serving. Many believe he was speaking of another god that he thought Abram served because Abram won such a great battle.

I believe he was not a theophany or christophany as he was a king of a pagan land.

[Guest Guest]

[quote="Jerry"][quote="Standing Firm In Christ"]Melchizedek was not a Christophany, nor was he a Theophany.[/quote]

Many sound Christians without an agenda would beg to differ - and so does God's Word. Hebrews 7 is pretty clear that Melchizedek was a type of Christ ("[i]but made unto the Son of God[/i]") - so you are arguing with God to prove your "theory."

For those who like to study Scripture instead, here is an article from the Way of Life Encylopedia:

[quote][b]MELCHISEDEC, MELCHIZEDEK[/b]

(king of righteousness). Melchizedek (Ge 14:17-20) foreviews Jesus Christ (Ps 110:4; Heb 5:6-10; 7:1-28).

HIS CITY. Melchizedek reigned in Salem (Ge 14:18). This later became Jerusalem, and will be Christ's reigning city (Ps 76:2; Zec 8:3-8).

HIS NAME. Melchizedek means "king of righteousness." He was also of Salem, which means peace (Heb 7:2). In the Lord Jesus Christ righteousness and peace have met. He makes peace between God and man because He paid man's sin debt (Ro 5:1). There can be no real peace without righteousness (Isa 48:22; 57:21).

HIS PROVISION. Melchizedek provided bread and wine for Abraham (Ge 14:18). This foreviews Christ's provision of His body and blood for the needs of His people (Mt 26:26-28).

HIS OFFICE. Melchizedek was king (Ge 14:18), priest (Ge 14:18), and prophet (Ge 14:19). The Lord Jesus Christ also is Prophet (De 18:15; Ac 3:22), Priest (Hebrews 7-10), and King (1Ti 6:14-15).

HIS AUTHORITY. Melchizedek received tithes of Abraham (Ge 14:20; Heb 7:4-9). This is the first mention of tithing in the Bible, and it was long before God gave the law of Moses. Tithing has always been God's normal plan for the support of His earthly work. God's people today are to tithe of their income for God's great program of world evangelism. Tithing honors God as the Giver and Possessor of all (Pr 3:9-10). HIS WORK. He ministered to God's people (Ge 14:18; Mt 20:28). He blessed God's people (Ge 14:19; Lu 24:51). He glorified God (Ge 14:20; Joh 17:4).

HIS MYSTERY. There is a mysterious aspect to Melchizedek, because the Bible says he had no beginning of days nor end of life (Heb 7:3). This reminds us that Jesus Christ is the eternal Son of God. Roman Catholic priests are ordained after the order of Melchizedek, but this is blasphemy because no man other than Jesus Christ can rightfully be a priest after this the order. Six times in the Bible God says Jesus Christ is of the order of Melchizedek (Ps 110:4; Heb 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:17,21).[/quote][/quote]


:amen: :goodpost: Br. Jerry. :smile