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[JerryNumbers]

[quote="Jerry"]Okay - here is the ISBN for the edition I have ordered various times: ISBN 9780917006012

It comes with a CDRom disk so you can use the KJV and Strong's Concordance on your computer, if you don't have a Bible program.[/quote]

Off topic and about Strong's for a moment. Mine was given to me in 96 as a birthday present from my daughter. Its ISBN 0-9324453-08-2.

Do you know anything about that number?

But I now mostly use the Strong's that comes with E-Sword for its so much easier to use.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Because Abraham was a priest himself, he built altars and sacrificed to God himself (Gen. 12:7, 8; 13:4, 18; 15:9-18). He did not need Melchizedek to intercede for him.

A proper study of verses 16 through 21 will show one that Melchizedek was in fact an ally of the king of Sodom! The king of Sodom went out to meet with him. Three verses (18-20) mention Melchizedek, while four mention his ally the king of Sodom. The passage has Abraham speaking to the king of Sodom, but nowhere says he actually spoke to Melchizedek. The focus of the passage in Genesis 14 is on Abraham and his discourse with the king of Sodom... not on the tithe.

According to the Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Melchizedek was a Semitic-Canaanite Priest King.

[quote]The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, ?The name of this mysterious person means either ?king of righteousness,? or ?my king is righteousness,? or ?my king is Zedek.? Zedek is the Hebrew word for ?righteousness? and also the name of a Canaanite deity. Melchizedek was the priest-king of Salem, which is the shortened form of ?Urusalem,? ?city of peace,? identified with Jerusalem. ?Shalom? is the Hebrew word for ?peace? and ?Shalem? probably was the Canaanite god of peace. This kindly priest-king, recognizing Abram?s nobility and worth, supplied refreshment and sustenance for the weary warrior and his men. These gifts were tokens of friendship and

[Guest Guest]

[quote]Melchizedek was a king of a pagan nation outside of the boundaries of Israel.[/quote]

[quote]If these commentators are correct, then it is highly probably that when Melchizedek mentioned the 'most high God, Elyon,' he was not referring to God, but another.[/quote]

Your abhorrence of tithing has lead you into some strange doctrine... To reach those conclusions you have to ignore nearly every reference to Melchizedek in scripture. Christ was a priest after the High Order of Melchizedek. Do you really thing he means after the High Order of a pagan?

[JerryNumbers]

[quote="Standing Firm In Christ"][quote="Jerry"][quote="Standing Firm In Christ"]You appear to be so dead set for tithing that you are imputing it to the Gentiles that God never required a tithe of.[/quote]

It is an entirely different issue to disagree with whether something was fulfilled and done away with or not - than to state something commended in the Bible was from a pagan source with no proof. Show me from the Bible where God speaks against Abraham's tithing - He does not. In fact, it is referred to positively in Hebrews 7. Why are you so determined to add to God's Word? Perhaps you should reread Revelation 22:18-19.[/quote]

Melchizedek was a king of a pagan nation outside of the boundaries of Israel.
Are you not adding to God's Word when you say we are required to tithe? Perhaps you should read Revelation 22:18-19.[/quote]

Heb 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.

Heb 5:10 Called of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Kind of a far stretch to say that Melchizedek was a pagan king, that puts down our Savior Jesus.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

History records Melchizedek was king of a pagan nation. We cannot change that.

[Guest Guest]

History records Melchizedek was king of a pagan nation. We cannot change that.

The bible records him as a priest of the most high God. You cannot change that either.

"Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God."

"Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."

"Hebrews 7:1-28 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore."

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Notice in verses 18-20 that Melchizedek mentions 'the most high God' while Abram makes reference to another 'most high God' by adding 'LORD' to the title of the God he was referrencing.

It was not uncommon for pagan kings and their subjects to call their gods 'most high.' As a matter of fact, every pagan religion has one god that is above all their other gods.

[JerryNumbers]

Your abhorrence of tithing has lead you into some strange doctrine... To reach those conclusions you have to ignore nearly every reference to Melchizedek in scripture. Christ was a priest after the High Order of Melchizedek. Do you really thing he means after the High Order of a pagan?

Seth, That is a new one on me, have you ever heard that tale before?

[Guest Guest]

Seth, That is a new one on me, have you ever heard that tale before?

"Christ was a priest after the High Order of Melchizedek." :thumb

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Scripture does not say Christ was a priest after the High Order of Melchizedek.

Talk about adding to Scripture.

If you are going to quote it, quote it right.

[JerryNumbers]

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Heb 5:10 Called of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Enough said with out adding anything to it.

[chev1958]

[quote]Had the tithe for God's people been in effect at the time Abraham tithed, he would have carried the spoils of war back into Israel and tithed under his king and principalities... he did not.[/quote][quote]Melchizedek was a king of a pagan nation outside of the boundaries of Israel.[/quote]
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that there was no such thing as Israel in Abraham's day. God promised His chosen people would come from him, but there was no nation nor king of Israel. Therefore, this argument is a moot point.[quote]Talk about adding to Scripture. If you are going to quote it, quote it right.[/quote]This admonition cuts both ways.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

You are correct there was no Israel. I meant he would have carried it back into his own land.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

But the fact remains,

If we are to use Abram as an example to tithe, we should not only give 10%, but also give it to a pagan king, such as the king of Zedek, outside of our own land. and it must be in the presence of a Sodomite king.

Of course, there was no tabernacle at that time either, so we can't take the tithe into the Church.

[HappyChristian]

[quote="Standing Firm In Christ"]But the fact remains,

If we are to use Abram as an example to tithe, we should not only give 10%, but also give it to a pagan king, such as the king of Zedek, outside of our own land. and it must be in the presence of a Sodomite king.
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This is just a throw in, but based on this idea, we all need to be baptized in the River Jordan...