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Katherine Solarte

The Morality Behind Christian Women Wearing Pants

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The question that I would like to raise is whether or not it is considered sinful for Christian women to wear pants, and why that is the case.

The controversy within this community regarding women's apparel has manifested itself countless of times whether it be in small local churches, such as my own, or large scale conventions and conferences where the attire of an individual, typically a woman's, is criticized or condemned. Personally, I believe that one should place more emphasis on behavior/actions and our faith than in the triviality of appearances. However, I am aware of the fervent stance that many of us have regarding this issue and I would like to hear/see our opinions on the matter, and whether they differ at all.

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Perhaps, yet if God wanted Israel to view those things as an abomination unto themselves...how much more did God view them as an abomination? Either way, the Bible plainly calls eating them an abomination...there's no way around it. Why do we separate that from clothing when the new testament has clearly given us guidelines for both?

My fear is this...the Lord Jesus Christ was quick to condemn the Pharisees who laid more on the people than God did. I've seen it first-hand...modern-day Pharisaical tendencies; in which, the "Pharisees" require people to look and act a certain way...otherwise, they're not right with God. I've seen the hate-filled darts being stared at people who don't "measure up".  I've seen the pride. I've seen the arrogance. I've seen the devastation it brings. I've also seen the Pharisaical hypocrisy of those in "authority" who lay more on people than they can bear...

I'm not saying that you're that way Bro. Wayne, because I don't believe for one minute that you are

From my own studies, I think I know where Pastor Markle is going with this, and I would ask everyone to please consider what he has to say.

As a final note...if someone is convicted that they should wear only skirts and dresses, then I support that. It's when those in authority "require" it...that's what I have a problem with...

Take care Bro. Wayne. I love you brother.

 

 

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10 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Perhaps, yet if God wanted Israel to view those things as an abomination unto themselves...how much more did God view them as an abomination? Either way, the Bible plainly calls eating them an abomination...there's no way around it. Why do we separate that from clothing when the new testament has clearly given us guidelines for both?

My fear is this...the Lord Jesus Christ was quick to condemn the Pharisees who laid more on the people than God did. I've seen it first-hand...modern-day Pharisaical tendencies; in which, the "Pharisees" require people to look and act a certain way...otherwise, they're not right with God. I've seen the hate-filled darts being stared at people who don't "measure up".  I've seen the pride. I've seen the arrogance. I've seen the devastation it brings. I've also seen the Pharisaical hypocrisy of those in "authority" who lay more on people than they can bear...

I'm not saying that you're that way Bro. Wayne, because I don't believe for one minute that you are

From my own studies, I think I know where Pastor Markle is going with this, and I would ask everyone to please consider what he has to say.

As a final note...if someone is convicted that they should wear only skirts and dresses, then I support that. It's when those in authority "require" it...that's what I have a problem with...

Take care Bro. Wayne. I love you brother.

 

 

Absolutely! 

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Bro. Wayne is not the only person here on OnLineBaptist, and in some fine churches, with the personal conviction about  women wearing pants at church.

To call those who have that conviction, out of a heart to develop holiness in their lives, and to cleanse themselves from the worldliness in the church, "Pharisees," and having modern day "Pharisaical tendencies," or "legalistic," or "under the Law," is not the best way to have a brotherly discussion on this, or other issues in the church.

Some of the brethren have a sincere desire to develop holiness in their household that they develop their own convictions about the clothing issue and not because somebody "requires" it.

 

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On 5/2/2018 at 5:10 PM, No Nicolaitans said:

Hello! Welcome!

You will receive differing views here on that subject.

My view is that there's nothing wrong with women wearing pants as long as the pants are modest...the same with dresses, skirts, blouses, shirts, etc...

Modesty of the apparel in how it adorns a lady is the essential key...not the make of the apparel.

(1 Timothy 2:9-10) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Excellent.

Some folks develop convictions concerning the covering of the body due to personal holiness and not Deuteronomy 22:5.

Furthermore, to insinuate that all such persons, or pastors, are harsh in their preaching in this matter, is just not true. Yes, some of the brethren go overboard, but, to use those brethren as an example to all those who hold such convictions is not totally correct.

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27 minutes ago, Alan said:

Excellent.

Some folks develop convictions concerning the covering of the body due to personal holiness and not Deuteronomy 22:5.

Furthermore, to insinuate that all such persons, or pastors, are harsh in their preaching in this matter, is just not true. Yes, some of the brethren go overboard, but, to use those brethren as an example to all those who hold such convictions is not totally correct.

 

If my words were misconstrued, I apologize. I thought I was careful in saying...

 

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if someone is convicted that they should wear only skirts and dresses, then I support that.

 

Also, if my words were misconstrued, I apologize. I also thought I was careful in saying...

 

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It's when those in authority "require" it

 

To me, that's not an "all-inclusive" phrase (as I think you took it?). It only applies to those in authority who require it of others...it in no way reflects on those who have a personal conviction about the issue. My statements regarding "Pharisaical" issues...I don't apologize for...sorry. I've seen too many leaders/pastors who require that members look and act a certain way if they want to be a part of "the ministry"...but they are Pharisaical themselves. That doesn't imply that all leaders/pastors are that way...or if my words were misconstrued, it wasn't meant to imply that all leaders/pastors are that way.

Again, I ask that folks consider what Pastor Markle says when he responds...

I apologize if I offended you or anyone else.

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I believe we won't find scripture which states, God forbids women to wear "pants". However, as Paul would say, "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:" Ladies, do you want your husband's attention drawn to what a woman wears? Why, do I ask, "because, your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour". Greater men of faith than I have fallen and I dare say greater than anyone in the local church. As much as my flesh would like to say that I'm above any earthly, worldly, or demonic temptation and attack, it just ain't so. I only ask that caution with God's wisdom is used that no woman "put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way."

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On 5/25/2018 at 8:27 AM, swathdiver said:

For example?  

Construction sites, certain workplaces like warehouses, EMT, Firefighter, Police officer. Working on a car. Up on a ladder. Nurses. Doctors. 

Or do you believe that women also should not work? 

I don't need to worry about what my husband is looking at. I can tell you he only has eyes for one woman...ME. 

 

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20 hours ago, Saved41199 said:

Construction sites, certain workplaces like warehouses, EMT, Firefighter, Police officer. Working on a car. Up on a ladder. Nurses. Doctors. 

Or do you believe that women also should not work? 

I don't need to worry about what my husband is looking at. I can tell you he only has eyes for one woman...ME. 

 

Not that I am super hardcore against pants, but that is not really a legitimate excuse for women to wear pants, just because you named occupations that require pants or something similiar, does not mean it is ok for women to wear them.

if pants truly are immodest on a woman, then women should not be doing things that require them to wear them. 

To give you an example in the spirit of reductio absurdum, that would be like saying that since a woman can’t be a bikini model without wearing a bikini, then it must be ok for her to wear a bikini. I believe what you are doing is a form of circular reasoning. 

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Try telling a woman in Alaska that she should be wearing a dress or skirt when the temp is minus 40 degrees below zero or lower. I'm just saying that there are legitimate exceptions, it is not a "one size fits all" issue.

I find it interesting that whenever this subject of what church members should wear is brought up, it is always about women wearing pants. the subject of what a man should wear is avoided. How many sermons have you heard that focus on the last clause of this verse:  De 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. 

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1 minute ago, heartstrings said:

Well, I guess that could be because its not very common for men to wear dresses and skirts. 

I guess even that depends on where you live huh?  Scotland for example.

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20 hours ago, Saved41199 said:

Construction sites, certain workplaces like warehouses, EMT, Firefighter, Police officer. Working on a car. Up on a ladder. Nurses. Doctors. 

Or do you believe that women also should not work? 

I don't need to worry about what my husband is looking at. I can tell you he only has eyes for one woman...ME. 

 

There was a time in America where women were held in high esteem and would never be allowed to do some of these things you mention.  Nurses and doctors can and have worn dresses and skirts for over a hundred years.  Ladies should not be medics or firemen, they lack the physical strength to do the job.  Policewomen wore skirts into the early 1990s as did women sailors but now the unisex and perverts have them all dressing alike using convincing excuses to disobey God's eternal Word.

On a recent encounter, the firemen arrived at our home to carry one of our loved ones to the hospital for treatment.  The two women carried clip boards and the men were doing the heavy lifting and such to get the patient to the ambulance.  Our tax dollars at work to appease the haughty and rebellious in our broken society.  For hundreds of years America's women wore dresses and skirts while working in the fields, running plows, picking cotton, threshing wheat, all the work that had to be done on a family's farm; even fighting off Indians!  They never even contemplated dressing like men until Hollywood's liberals began enticing them away from Godliness.

As for your last, a man is a visual creature, we see things differently then women and it does not matter how much we love our wives or that we hate seeing that which we ought not to see but our fallen society sees nothing wrong with.  Immodest and improper dress can be a stumbling block to men.  Without thought, our eyes go here and there automatically and I for one have to shield them and my brain lest I fall into sin myself!  Praise God that I am not like I used to be!

 

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1 hour ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Try telling a woman in Alaska that she should be wearing a dress or skirt when the temp is minus 40 degrees below zero or lower. I'm just saying that there are legitimate exceptions, it is not a "one size fits all" issue.

I find it interesting that whenever this subject of what church members should wear is brought up, it is always about women wearing pants. the subject of what a man should wear is avoided. How many sermons have you heard that focus on the last clause of this verse:  De 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. 

Well the young lady I am courting is from Alaska, Fairbanks to be specific, and both she and her mother ALWAYS wear skirts.Last time I was there it was negative 30 degrees..so how exactly they pull it off, I’m not sure, but they do. 

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28 minutes ago, heartstrings said:

In Scottish culture, a "kilt'', is masculine attire, brother.

 

 

yup, right you are Bro. Wanye.

3 minutes ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

Well the young lady I am courting is from Alaska, Fairbanks to be specific, and both she and her mother ALWAYS wear skirts.Last time I was there it was negative 30 degrees..so how exactly they pull it off, I’m not sure, but they do. 

Bro. Jordan, may I ask what church she and you attended while in Fairbanks? There are four Independent Baptist churches in Fairbanks. I may even know your young lady or her parents because these churches fellow-shipped with each other a lot.

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21 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

yup, right you are Bro. Wanye.

Bro. Jordan, may I ask what church she and you attended while in Fairbanks? There are four Independent Baptist churches in Fairbanks. I may even know your young lady or her parents because these churches fellow-shipped with each other a lot.

 Bible Baptist

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1 hour ago, swathdiver said:

As for your last, a man is a visual creature, we see things differently then women and it does not matter how much we love our wives or that we hate seeing that which we ought not to see but our fallen society sees nothing wrong with.  Immodest and improper dress can be a stumbling block to men.  Without thought, our eyes go here and there automatically and I for one have to shield them and my brain lest I fall into sin myself!  Praise God that I am not like I used to be!

If you claim you "can't help" looking then I think you need to develop some SERIOUS self-control. 

And, if you think a woman in pants looks like a man, then you've obviously not understood part of this conversation. Women's pants are cut MUCH differently than men's pants. 

1 hour ago, swathdiver said:

adies should not be medics or firemen, they lack the physical strength to do the job

That's funny! I know a few female medics, firemen and police officers who could take down a man in a minute. A friend of mine is a retired officer from my hometown. She's 5'-nothing and 110lbs on a good day. She had NO problems taking down men twice her size. 

But, I get it...you want to control women...because YOU can't control YOUR OWN thoughts...Ok...my advice on that is grow up and get you some of that fruit of the spirit...that self-control fruit. I have a husband and two sons who don't turn into slobbering fountains of testosterone around women. 

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11 hours ago, Saved41199 said:

If you claim you "can't help" looking then I think you need to develop some SERIOUS self-control. 

And, if you think a woman in pants looks like a man, then you've obviously not understood part of this conversation. Women's pants are cut MUCH differently than men's pants. 

That's funny! I know a few female medics, firemen and police officers who could take down a man in a minute. A friend of mine is a retired officer from my hometown. She's 5'-nothing and 110lbs on a good day. She had NO problems taking down men twice her size. 

But, I get it...you want to control women...because YOU can't control YOUR OWN thoughts...Ok...my advice on that is grow up and get you some of that fruit of the spirit...that self-control fruit. I have a husband and two sons who don't turn into slobbering fountains of testosterone around women. 

I don't believe your statements about the female medics, firemen and police officers.  The women medics and firemen are just too physically weak (as God created them) to lift and move large men like men can do.  The police officer's ability to control men was no doubt assisted by her badge and gun.  History is replete with lady officers being overwhelmed and subdued by criminals who were not deterred by their guns and badges.  

Ma'am, you know much that isn't so and you're being haughty.  I shall say no more in this post, God's Word is clear.

Suggested Reading: 

https://www.amazon.com/Bobbed-Bossy-Wives-Women-Preachers/dp/0873980654

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12 hours ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

 Bible Baptist

Well Jordan, I guess I probably do not know them. I only fellow-shipped with Independent Baptist Churches in Alaska. The Bible Baptist church on Farmers Loop Rd. is affiliated with the Bible Baptist Fellowship, so is not Independent. Thanks for the information though.

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On 5/27/2018 at 7:36 PM, Jim_Alaska said:

Try telling a woman in Alaska that she should be wearing a dress or skirt when the temp is minus 40 degrees below zero or lower. I'm just saying that there are legitimate exceptions, it is not a "one size fits all" issue.

 

 

Addressing the above scenario only: I have a friend who is a missionary in Saint Mary, AK. His wife wears dresses. I have a son working with the Russian speakers near Delta Junction, AK - his wife and daughter wears dresses. One of my daughters-in-law lived in Magadan and Krasnoyarsk Russia (both in Siberia) - she, her mother and both her sisters wore dresses. My wife and daughters-in-law wore (or wear) dresses in Kansas -- but it only dipped to a balmy 14 below zero with winds that seldom drop below 10mph.

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1 hour ago, heartstrings said:

An old timer, I knew years ago, once said "It's a sin if you look twice". I do think there's some wisdom in that. But I remember a deacon's daughter, in the IFB church I was a member of, coming to God's house wearing a dress with a "slit" WAY up her thigh. Another lady would come to the church exposing most of her "cleavage"....Really, WHY? . Just last week, my wife mentioned that the pastor's daughter showed up downtown with shorts so minuscule that her "gluteus maximi" were "protruding".  Ma'am, I agree, men should not be "slobbering fountains of testosterone", but at least when we come to GOD'S HOUSE, we shouldn't be having to walk around looking at the ceiling to prevent ourselves from "seeing once" just because some of the "women professing godliness" can't seem to dress better than "the attire of an harlot" (1 Timothy 2::10) and (Proverbs 7:10) Responsibility goes BOTH ways as God expects women to "control" themselves too;  and most do. God bless you ma'am.

My wife said "AMEN!"

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15 hours ago, swathdiver said:

I don't believe your statements about the female medics, firemen and police officers.  The women medics and firemen are just too physically weak (as God created them) to lift and move large men like men can do.  The police officer's ability to control men was no doubt assisted by her badge and gun.  History is replete with lady officers being overwhelmed and subdued by criminals who were not deterred by their guns and badges.  

Are you calling me a liar? You think women are too "physically weak"? Sir, before I got hurt, I could bench press 225lbs, leg lift over 400lbs. I was a competitive swimmer. Athletically I could take on the boys and beat them in just about anything including wrestling. My father taught judo and taught me well. 

It seems to me YOU have an issue with women. I invite you into the 21st century where women excel in many careers from firefighter to astronaut. I double dog dare you to walk up to a veteran like Senator Tammy Duckworth and tell HER that you think she was too weak to pilot that Apache. Go ahead. 

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