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So, you would answer a strangers specific question about being either a Calvinist or Arminian by saying you are:  In Christ Jesus, Born Again By The Will of The Father in Heaven, As Written, 

I am a New Creation.

A bit rude don't you think?

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I find it alarming that too many people think that there are only two choices here. Neither Calvinism or Arminianism lines up with Scripture.

I would repeat my previous answer. I am a Biblicist. Neither John Calvin, nor Jacob Arminius, were correct in there writings.  And, neither one is a standard for doctrine. If the person is seekin

The problem with aligning to those terms is how they are defined by those groups. They don't mean what you mean when you say "Totally Depraved", or "perserverance" as a couple of examples.

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"Election" doesn't mean what they think it means: Even Jesus and angels are "elect".

"Predestination" doesn't mean what they think either.

The Gospel is NOT complicated like that, as Calvinism tries to make it. "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." the Bible says.

And when a man gets saved, he's saved for ever because he's been sealed, born of the Spirit, born of God, a "son of God", passed from death unto life, shall not come into condemnation, and  indwelled with the Holy Ghost. So, I tell people that BOTH Calvinism and Arminianism is in error.  I am neither.

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On 2/2/2018 at 6:51 PM, PastorMatt said:

I find it alarming that too many people think that there are only two choices here. Neither Calvinism or Arminianism lines up with Scripture.

I'm glad I read some of this thread, PastorMatt. I usually answer with Biblicist myself. I don't reveal whether or not I agree with TULIP, etc. It's irrelevant what I as a person think. The only thing that matters is what the Bible teaches, and though both "sides" can back up their stances with Scripture, they don't settle the question! I guess that's why God only reveals what we truly need to know about living the Christian life!

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On 4/29/2021 at 8:22 PM, Jim_Alaska said:

A bit rude don't you think?

 

On 4/30/2021 at 4:23 PM, BrotherTony said:

Neither Calvinism or Arminianism lines up with Scripture.

So those who are a new creation agree.   

 

On 4/30/2021 at 3:28 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

Preach Christ, not social issues. If they come to Christ he will work on their social issue beliefs.

On 4/28/2021 at 9:34 PM, 1Timothy115 said:

 The reason why men do not look to the Church today is that she has destroyed her own influence by compromise. ~ G. Campbell Morgan (B. 1863- D. 1945)

 

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15 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

Anyone else ever notice the word "Sovereign" isn't in scripture? Yet the word is bandied about like crazy by Calvinists.

Yet the English word "sovereign" simply means "1. above or superior to all others; chief; greatest; supreme: 2. supreme in power, rank, or authority: 3. of or holding the position of ruler; royal; reigning."  Certainly that definition DOES apply to the Lord our God, the MOST HIGH God, the Ruler of heaven and earth.

Furthermore, consider that we are quite comfortable using the term "trinity" although it is not specifically found in the King James translation, as well as other terms, such as "rapture," etc.  If a term is a legitimate doctrinal term, used in accord with Biblical doctrine and definition, I see no problem with its usage in doctrinal discussions.

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15 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

Anyone else ever notice the word "Sovereign" isn't in scripture? Yet the word is bandied about like crazy by Calvinists.

I have notice that. I see a lot of Calvinist use that on a regular basis. Those who are in the Arminian camp also use it, but say that God's sovereignty and his allowance of "free will" doesn't in any way negate the fact that he IS sovereign. The debate still rages on after 400 years! 😉

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Calvinists regularly use the term "sovereignty" when arguing that God controls our will pertaining to salvation.  Because of that I refuse to use the term at all and I don't have to because neither the term, nor the doctrine associated with it, are found in the King James Bible.

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8 hours ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Yet the English word "sovereign" simply means "1. above or superior to all others; chief; greatest; supreme: 2. supreme in power, rank, or authority: 3. of or holding the position of ruler; royal; reigning."  Certainly that definition DOES apply to the Lord our God, the MOST HIGH God, the Ruler of heaven and earth.

Furthermore, consider that we are quite comfortable using the term "trinity" although it is not specifically found in the King James translation, as well as other terms, such as "rapture," etc.  If a term is a legitimate doctrinal term, used in accord with Biblical doctrine and definition, I see no problem with its usage in doctrinal discussions.

Very true-words that aren't there, yet the idea of the word is present. I agree that God's sovereignty is present in scripture, but I also realize that in that sovereignty, He allows His creatures to choose to receive or reject His offer of grace.

Trinity, I generally don't use-rather I use the term "godhead'.  Rapture, I use sometimes, but i also just call it God taking His people out.

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