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Invicta,

I have studied Hendriksen's work, "More Than Conquerors," several times. I have looked at every note that he has in the book.  In my estimation, every time I study it I view Hendriksen as a preterist.

Also, Hendrickson's view on Israel, Prophecy, is pretty much the same as most preterists; including Laymon and Philip Mauro. Hendriksen's denunciation of fundamentalists, the Authorized Version  (the KJV), the Jews, the Scofield Reference Bible, is almost the same views as other preterists that I have read.

In my understanding, and as much as I read, Hendriksen was  a-millennial, and as one reads his book, it is clear that his views concerning the Book of Revelation, and the above other subjects that I mentioned, is preterist. So, I have called him a preterist and will continue to do so.

Alan

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Chapter 19
The Judgments
Part 2
Judgment NO 2
The Chart on Page 148 helps explains the Judgment as a Servant.
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The Two Judgments of the Believer

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Larkin quotes 2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”

Larkin had made a close observation concerning the context of 2 Corinthians 5:10 which I feel is important to this study. “The pronoun “We” occurs 26 times in the chapter, and in every instance it means the Believer, and the Epistle is addressed to the “Church” and “Saints” at Corinth, so the Judgment here spoken of is for Believers “only.” The “Time” of the Judgment is when the Lord comes (1 Cor. 4:5), and the “Place” is “in the air” (1 Thess. 4:17) and before the Judgment Seat of Christ.”i

1 Corinthians 4:5, “Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
1 Thessalonians 4:17, “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
                                                                                                                                                                             Comment by Alan
1 Corinthians 4:5 and 1 Thessalonians  4:17 clearly reveal to us that the saved saints in the New Testament church will receive their rewards for their labor at the coming of the Lord Jesus for the church.  I would like to reinforce this belief with a quotation of Revelation 22:12, “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” The Lord Jesus clearly stated that when He comes He will bring His reward for every saint with Him.

Therefore, the inescapable conclusion is that the doctrine of a “General Resurrection,” and “General Judgment,” is not true.   
 
Larkin clearly brings out that the Judgment Seat of Christ is for “rewards” (or loss of rewards), for the saints and not a judgment for sin.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27
1 Corinthians 3:11-15

i Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 149

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On 1/7/2018 at 8:14 PM, Alan said:

Concerning his comments on Revelation 20:11-15, William Hendriksen says, “Now Christ's coming unto judgment is vividly described. John sees a Great White Throne. Upon it is seated the Christ, Matt. 25:31; Rev. 14:14. From his face the earth and the heaven flee away. Not the destruction or annihilation but the renovation of the universe is indicated here. It will be a dissolution of the elements with great heat, II Pet. 3:10; a regeneration, Matt. 19:28; a restoration of all things, Acts 3:21; and a deliverance from the bondage of corruption, Rom. 8:21. No longer will this universe be subject to “vanity”II p. 276. John sees the dead, the great and the small, standing before the Throne.12 p.276. All individuals who have ever lived on earth are seen before the Throne. The books are opened: the records of the life of every person, Dan. 7:10. also the book of life, containing the names of all believers, is opened, Rev. 3:5;13:8. The dead are judged in accordance with their works, Matt. 25:31 ff.; Rom. 14:10; II Cor. 5:10. The sea gives up its dead; so do Death and Hades. See our explanation of Rev. 1:18; 6:8. Here is the one, general resurrection of all the dead. The entire Bible teaches but one, general resurrection! Read John 5:28, 29. This one and only and general resurrection takes place at the last day. John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; Acts 24:15; Matt. 22:31; Acts 24:21; Heb. 6:213 p.276. Nowhere in the entire Bible do we read of a resurrection of the bodies of believers, followed, after a thousand years, by a resurrection of the bodies of the unbelievers. All rise at the same time.”

As most a-millennialism teachers, and the preterist, use most of the same scriptures to teach a, "General Resurrection and General Judgment," we will take note in this Overview that Larkin teaches the correct interpretation of the scripture that the a-millenialist incorrectly uses.

For example. Hendriksen used 2 Corinthians 5:10 as a proof text that, "The dead are judged in accordance with their works, Matt. 25:31 ff.; Rom. 14:10; II Cor. 5:10." In this last lesson, Larkin shows that only the believers are judged at the  Judgment Seat of Christ as mentioned by Paul in 2 Corinthians 5:10, and by way of context, Romans 14:10

"But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we all shall all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ." Romans 14:10 The apostle Paul is very clear, only brothers in Christ will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ. For Hendriksen, or any other a-millennialist, or preterist, to say that all the dead will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ is incorrect. 

 

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Hi Alan,

I want to comment on the judgments and resurrections from what I've garnered from Larkin's commentaries and your notes. I have to admit from the outset that eschatology has never been my forte, but from what I've gleaned from reading the scriptures that pertain to judgment and resurrections, believers of the Church will be judged following the first resurrection (Rev. 20:4-6) at the judgment seat of Christ; that is where we will get our rewards (or not). This is where I get confused a little. I'm having some difficulty reconciling the timing of when believers get their rewards and the rapture, even with Larkin's charts. My brain doesn't want to collaborate with me on certain days. Do believers get their rewards immediately after the rapture? I know that unbelievers will receive a last judgment at the end of time to demonstrate their true nature; that results in being cast into the lake of fire in every case. The only other judgment (aside from Christ being judged for our sins) following resurrection from what I've read in involves the case of the millennial believers (not the raptured saints), the friends of the Bride (Jn. 3:29), who are not resurrected at the second advent as we are (most of them will not have been born at that point) but at the end of history; they are the sheep in the sheep and goats judgment.  It also appears to me as if the first resurrection has phases, such as Christ being the "firstfruits" of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:20); of those who have fallen asleep in Christ (1 Cor. 15:23; Rev. 1:5); and the resurrection of the Old Testament Saints (Isaiah 26:19; Dan. 12:2). I can't understand how anyone could believe in a general judgment for all when it says that the "dead" are judged in Revelation 20:12. The dead obviously in that verse refers to the "spiritually dead", so the "justified" cannot be among those who are judged by God. 

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. (Revelation 20:11)

What I know is that the Great White Throne judgment mentioned in scripture (Rev. 20:11-15) refers only to non-believers who are judged according to their "works" (white symbolizing God's purity, glory, and holiness), and then there's the "bema" seat of Christ where justified believers are judged as stated in the first paragraph. The Great White Throne judgment found in Revelation 20:11 seems to imply that this judgment takes place neither on Earth or the atmospheric heaven, while the "bema" seat for believers most likely takes place on Earth while Christ is on the throne at the start of the millennium, and then the saints will reign with Him for a thousand years. According to the Greek concordance, the word (bema) means "speaker's place" and in usage it means the place of adjudication as in this passage where Paul is haled in front of the Roman governor at Corinth:  

And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat, Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law. And when Paul was now about to open his mouth, Gallio said unto the Jews, If it were a matter of wrong or wicked lewdness, O ye Jews, reason would that I should bear with you: But if it be a question of words and names, and of your law, look ye to it; for I will be no judge of such matters. And he drave them from the judgment seat. (bema). Acts 18:12-16

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Revelation 20:12)

I find it interesting that the word "throne" is mentioned nearly 50 times in the Book of Revelation alone, and the passage found in Revelation 20:11-15 refers to the final judgment of all non-believers of all ages (Matt. 10:15; 11:22,24; 12:36, 41-42; Lk. 10:14; Jn. 12:48; Acts 17:31; 24:25; Rom. 2:5, 16; Heb. 9:27; 2 Pet. 2:9, 3:7; Jude 6). This judgment is doled out by God Himself in Revelation 20:11-15, and the non-believers will be judged according to their "works" (cf. Rom. 2:6, 16), and will be shown that "works" cannot save a non-believer (cf. Rom. 3:9-19; Isaiah 64:6), and as a result, they are cast into the Lake of Fire. I find the word "throne" being mentioned that many times in the book of Revelation shows that it is mainly about judgment with God elevated on His throne. We, as believers will face the "bema" seat of Christ before the spiritually dead are judged, and it's transparent that knowing this proves that there are more than one judgment and one resurrection. The glorified believers will have specific functions and duties as servants of the Lord in the thousand year reign of Christ depending on their rewards.

I can't quite fathom how Hendriksen could believe in one general resurrection when the bible clearly speaks of more than one resurrection in Revelation 20:5 -- it's inescapable. If there is a "first" resurrection, then it follows that there has to be a "second" resurrection. If you find anything erroneous in my post, please let me know. As mentioned earlier, eschatology has never been my strong point in biblical discussions and debates, so I would defer to you to determine if there are any mistakes in my understanding. And Alan, you are right on the money in terms of amillennialism: they refuse to accept that Revelation, e.g., has anything useful to say at all, deeming nearly all eschatology symbolic. And a first year bible student can rightly determine that some of the events in Revelation have not occurred yet. I did some research on Preterism, and Preterism is a term which in biblical studies generally means "already happened"; so there are those who feel that John, e.g., was describing events that took place before, during or shortly after his inspired penning of Revelation. Context is king, and from reading Revelation...I don't know how it's possible to believe that most of the events such as the second advent has happened. There are a wide variety of "flavors" of this. The main thing to note that both are wrong as wrong can be, and very easily obviously so, since they deny the clear meaning of scripture as part of their fundamental theories (as anyone reading Revelation in English can plainly see).  

God Bless,

Daniel

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9 minutes ago, (Omega) said:

but from what I've gleaned from reading the scriptures that pertain to judgment and resurrections, believers of the Church will be judged following the first resurrection (Rev. 20:4-6) at the judgment seat of Christ; that is where we will get our rewards (or not). This is where I get confused a little. I'm having some difficulty reconciling the timing of when believers get their rewards and the rapture, even with Larkin's charts. My brain doesn't want to collaborate with me on certain days. Do believers get their rewards immediately after the rapture? I know that unbelievers will receive a last judgment at the end of time to demonstrate their true nature; that results in being cast into the lake of fire in every case.

Daniel,

Welcome back!

Your post was quite lengthly. I will need to copy and paste the entire post and answer most of it later. Right now I will try and answer the first question now.

It is very apparent to me that the Judgment Seat of Christ is for the judging of the church saints for rewards or lack of rewards: 1 Corinthians 3:10-17

The timing of the Judgment Seat of Christ will be when the Lord Jesus comes for the church: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. Paul made it very clear that the church age saints will meet the Lord in the air and the Lord Jesus made it very clear, Revelation 22:12 that He will bring His rewards with Him. And, Revelation 4:4 makes is very clear that the the crowns are already worn. So, the believers are judged, and rewarded, immediately after the rapture in the air. 

Alan

 

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I should have written down my post into several posts. Thanks for answering my question regarding the timing of when the judgment for believers to get or not get their rewards occur, because I was a little iffy about it. 

God Bless!

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Daniel,

It is my pleasure in discussing prophecy.

Brethren,

I have gotten a little bit ahead of the Overview on Larkin in answering Daniel's timely question concerning when the Judgment Seat of Christ takes place. In a later lesson, Larkin clearly shows the distinction between the two judgments.

The scriptures make it plainly clear that the Judgment Seat of Christ takes place in the clouds, or the atmospheric air, when we meet the Lord.

The Great White Throne of Judgment, Revelation 20:11-15, does not take place in the clouds, or in the atmospheric air of the earth. Revelation 20:11& 12a,clearly states, "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; ... "

William Hendriksen says, “Now Christ's coming unto judgment is vividly described. John sees a Great White Throne. Upon it is seated the Christ, Matt. 25:31; Rev. 14:14. From his face the earth and the heaven flee away."

1. William Hendriksen is clearly in error. According to Revelation 20:12a, God, not the Lord Jesus, sits on the Great White Throne. For Hendriksen to say that Christ is seated on the Great White Throne of Judgment is erroneous.

2. At the Great White Throne of Judgment there are no clouds, no air, no heaven, and no place at all.

3. At the Judgment Seat of Christ; Paul clearly states that Jesus is in the clouds, in the air, above the earth.

4. At the Judgment Seat of Christ the the earth and heaven does not flee away.

Therefore, it is an inescapable scriptural fact,  that the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Great White Throne of Judgment are two distinct and separate judgments.

 

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Thank you for sharing your notes with me because it gave me the clarification I needed. I'm looking forward to your next lesson on The Spirit World.

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Chapter 19

The Judgments

Part 3

Larkin states that there will be five types of Crowns to be rewarded at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

1. The Crown of Life. This crown will be for martyrs.

  • James 1:12

  • Revelation 2:10

2. The Crown of Glory. This crown will be for the Elders, or Pastor's, who rule well.

  • 1Peter 5:2-4

3. The Crown of Rejoicing. This Crown will be for Soul-Winners.

  • 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20

  • Philippians 4:1

4. The Crown of Righteousness. This Crown will be for those who, “...love his appearing.”

  • 2 Timothy 4:8, “Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.”

5. The Crown Incorruptible. This Crown is for those saints who keep their body under subjection.

  • 1 Corinthians 9:25-27

    The Judgment of Reward Chart

    page 151

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Daniel,

Here is my response to another question in your January 12th post:

You stated, “… and then there's the "bema" seat of Christ where justified believers are judged as stated in the first paragraph. The Great White Throne judgment found in Revelation 20:11 seems to imply that this judgment takes place neither on Earth or the atmospheric heaven, while the "bema" seat for believers most likely takes place on Earth while Christ is on the throne at the start of the millennium, and then the saints will reign with Him for a thousand years. According to the Greek concordance, the word (bema) means "speaker's place" and in usage it means the place of adjudication as in this passage where Paul is haled in front of the Roman governor at Corinth:

And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat, Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law. And when Paul was now about to open his mouth, Gallio said unto the Jews, If it were a matter of wrong or wicked lewdness, O ye Jews, reason would that I should bear with you: But if it be a question of words and names, and of your law, look ye to it; for I will be no judge of such matters. And he drave them from the judgment seat. (bema). Acts 18:12-16

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Revelation 20:12)

You mentioned, “… while the "bema" seat for believers most likely takes place on Earth while Christ is on the throne at the start of the millennium, and then the saints will reign with Him for a thousand years...” The above statement that you asked in your January 12th post concerning the Judgment Seat of Christ was answered by Larkin in my last lesson, “The Judgments, Part 3,” on the, “Five types of Crowns.” If you look at the chart, the “Bema,” or “Judgment Seat of Christ,” takes place in the air at the time the Lord Jesus takes the church saints (called the Rapture). The Judgment you mentioned that takes place before the Millennium, Revelation 20:4-6, is for the Tribulation Saints and the Nations which helped the Jews during the 7-Year Tribulation period; Matthew 25:31-46

Note by Alan Concerning Matthew 25:31-46

Previously, I brought out that William Hendriksen believes concerning Revelation 20:11-15, “The books are opened: the records of the life of every person, Dan. 7:10. also the book of life, containing the names of all believers, is opened, Rev. 3:5;13:8. The dead are judged in accordance with their works, Matt. 25:31 ff.; Rom. 14:10; II Cor. 5:10.” I,and Larkin, have already shown that Hendriksen's usage of Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5;10 passages are in error. Hendriksen is also in error concerning Matthew 25:31. The words of Christ in Matthew 25:31-46 clearly are not, repeat not, the judgment that takes place in Revelation 20:11-15. Larkin will prove this assertion in a later lesson

Daniel, I appreciate your mentioning the “Bema” judgment seat, Acts 18:12-16, that Paul the Apostle was hauled into. Your comments are very appropriate. The Judgment Seat of Christ has been referred to as the “Bema” by Paul the Apostle (in the Greek), and that many Bible teachers bring out. As I previously stated,The Judgment Seat of Christ, or called the “Bema, will take place at the rapture of the church; they are one and the same.

Larkin had this comment, “After the Grecian games were all over the runners, wrestlers, and successful contestants assembled before the “Bema,” or Judges' stand, which was an elevated seat on which the Umpire sat, and the winners received a “corruptible crown” of “laurel leaves.” Some had no reward, they had lost the “Victors' Crown.” But while there was no reward there was no punishment, they were not cast out.”1

I do hope that our discussion is beneficial to all.

Alan

1 Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 150

 

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Brethren,

I had previously commented on the Judgment on Matthew 25:31-46 and the Judgment in Revelation 20:4-6 in my Revelation Chapter 19-22 Study; page # 3. Here is the link to that study.

Alan

 

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Hi Alan,

From studying the sciptures, I want to comment on the types of crowns. There are some bible teachers that teach that the Twenty Four Elders In Revelation 4:4 are either angels, or representing all of the redeemed. It cannot refer to angels because the elders are sitting on thrones to judge. Angels don't wear crowns or sit on thrones.There have been so many speculations (even from Biblical scholars) that have differing opinions on exactly who these Twenty Four Elders are or represent. I believe that they represent the Twenty Four patriarchs from the Old Testament, Beginning withe Adam (et al.,Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), but I am not 100% certain about that.The Church has not even been resurrected (and so has not been rewarded) when the scenes in heaven take place where they are described. The elders are seen casting their crowns before the feet of God. Casting the crowns is a form of worship wherein they acknowledge the grace of God. It is God alone who gives us the strength and guidance that we need, and to do good works.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. (Philippians 2:13)     

On martyrs crowns, that is actually an accomplishment (true martyrdom from the Lord that is), and I believe it is associated with the crown of life. There are three crowns of Christian reward, righteousness (for gaining spiritual maturity), life (for passing extreme testing -- such as martyrdom), and glory (for successful completion of ministry). 

Let me know if you find anything that is biblically incorrect so I can brush up on my knowledge of Word of God.

God Bless,

Daniel

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Daniel,

Thank you for your thoughts on who the 24 elders represent as that is an interesting study. In this Overview of Larkin’s ‘The spirit World,’ Larkin does not comment on Revelation 4 But, since “crowns” are mentioned, I will be very brief in my answer in order not to get into many other subjects. I only want to give a few words to give you spiritual food for thought. Also, I had mentioned the 24 elders and the crowns, and the timing of the Judgment Seat of Christ is my lesson # 7, Revelation 19-22 Study. Here is the link to lesson 7: http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23115-revelation-chapter-19-22-study/?page=7

 

  1. The Apostle John was a prophet with visions that came directly from God. As a prophet, Hosea 12:10 was directly applicable to him and to the saints in the church as John was a prophet to the church. Hosea 12:10 states, “I have spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.”

    Here is a link to an excellent study on the word “signified” by Pastor Scott Markle.

    http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/24324-the-book-of-revelation-the-verb-signified/?page=1

  2. As God, the Lord Jesus, is using John as a similitude; John is a similitude, or a sign, or a type, to the church. “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John.” Revelation 1:1 Very briefly stated, the word “signified” means a “sign.” Among other usages, God is using John as a “sign” to show us what God is going to do. In the case of the church, God is using John as a “sign,” or an, “example,” on how, and when, the coming of the Lord Jesus will take His church out of this world; what we call the “Rapture.” The coming of the Lord Jesus to take the church out of this world is the resurrection day for all of the living and dead saints when He comes.

  3. In Revelation 4:1 God is clearly using John as a “sign” to show the church, when and how, the Lord Jesus “calls us up” “with a trumpet, to meet Him in the air as Paul the Apostle clearly states in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 “After this I looked, and behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were a trumpet talking to me; which said Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.” Revelation 4:1

  4. John is a sign, a type, of the church when the Lord Jesus calls us up with a trumpet. Right after the church age, John says, “hereafter.” The “hereafter” is a clear reference to the 7 churches in Revelation chapter 1-3.

  5. The 24 elders in Revelation 4 & 5 already have their crowns; so, they were awarded those crowns before the events that John saw. Concerning a direct reference to the 24 elders and who they represent, Revelation 5:9 states, “And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.” In my thoughts, this is a direct reference to the Gentiles, and not to the Jews in the Old Testament age, throughout the world in the church age that are saved after the crucifixion of Christ.

  6. Therefore, in my thoughts, the 24 elders represent the saints in the church age throwing down their crowns won at the Judgment Seat of Christ at the feet of the Lord Jesus.

Alan

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Hi Alan,

Thank you for those links, because they were indeed excellent bible studies. I look forward to your next lesson on Larkin's commentaries, and your notes.

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Chapter 19

The Judgments

Part 4

This lesson will be an overview on Larkin's Judgment NO. 3. The chart if found on page 146, called, “The Judgments,” in Larkin's book, “The Spirit World.” The chart for this lesson is found in the middle of the chart, called, “Judgment No. 3 The Jews.”I have already uploaded the chart in this overview. The chart is located on page 3 of this overview and the date uploaded was January 13, 2018.

Larkin has an important aspect of this judgment that is different from the other judgments that needs to be noticed. Instead of God the Father, or God the Son, judging the Jews in front of a throne, Larkin notes that it is the Antichrist judging the Jews on the earth.

Larkin states, “This Judgment is FUTURE. While the Church is being judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ in the air, the Jews will be judged under Antichrist on the earth. The Jews are and “earthly” people; and as all the promises to them are “earthly,”it follows that their Judgment must be of an “earthly” character.”i

Larkin stresses that their judgment is due to their rejection of:

  • God the Father:1 Samuel 8:7

  • God the Son: Luke 23:18

  • God the Holy Spirit: Acts 7:51, 54-60

     

Larkin states, “For their sin they have been scattered among the nations until the “Times of the Gentiles” are fulfilled. When the “Times of the Gentiles” are about to end the Jews will be gathered back to the Holy Land “unconverted,” and caused to “pass under the rod. Ex 20:34-38. they will be cast into God's “Melting Pot” (Ez. 22:19-22), and pass through and experience spoken of by Jeremiah and Daniel as the “TIMES OF JACOB'S TROUBLE.” Jer. 30:4-7. Dan. 12:1. Christ calls it “The Great Tribulation,”and He and Zechariah the Prophet associate it with the “Return of the Lord.” Matt.24:21-31. Zech. 14:1-11.”ii

  • Revelation 15:1, 5-8; 16:1-21

Larkin stresses that the result will be the conversion of the Jews as a nation.

  • Zechariah 12:10, “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”

  • Isaiah 66:8, “Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such a things? Shall the earth be make to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.”

i Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 152

iiLarkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 143

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There are some who believe that only the Gentiles will be judged at the (bema) seat of Jesus Christ, and that the Jews will be judged for their rewards at another time. From what I've read, it is composed of both Jews and also of gentiles.  All believers of the Church, Jew and gentile, are judged before the (bema), the judgment seat of Christ.  Paul, as a Jew, included himself (we) in bema seat of Christ.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. (2 Corinthians 5:10)

During the Tribulation's first half, those Jews who respond to the ministry of the two witnesses and the 144,000 are led to safety in the desert at the Tribulation's mid point in Revelation chapter twelve. This is what I've gathered from the book of Revelation.

And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God. (Zechariah 13:9)

So from I've read, the two thirds remnant of the Jews will repent and turn to the Christ (Zech. 12:10; 13:1) as their Lord and Savior as their spiritual eyes get opened -- while the rest will not. And that these Jews are included in the 144,000. The Antichrist ("false messiah") or the "foolish shepherd" (cf. Zech 11:15-17) will make a pact with the Jews (cf. Dan. 9:27) and break this treaty with Israel and require worship of him alone (Dan. 9:24-27; Matt. 24:15; 2 Thess. 2:3,4) as God. 

God Bless,

Daniel

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On 08/01/2018 at 12:38 AM, Alan said:

nvicta,

I have studied Hendriksen's work, "More Than Conquerors," several times. I have looked at every note that he has in the book.  In my estimation, every time I study it I view Hendriksen as a preterist.

Also, Hendrickson's view on Israel, Prophecy, is pretty much the same as most preterists; including Laymon and Philip Mauro. Hendriksen's denunciation of fundamentalists, the Authorized Version  (the KJV), the Jews, the Scofield Reference Bible, is almost the same views as other preterists that I have read.

I have never read Hendriksen, but I know that baptist churches that follow Hendriksen teach that the Book of revelation is a series of seven parallel prophecies each covering the whole history of the church.  That is a form of Historicism not preterism.

I have read many of Philip Mauro's books.  He says he was one of the early dispensationalists, and looked down on those who did not accept the new teaching. He then studied the scriptures more and rejected that theory.  True his books are on the preterist site but I do not consider him a preterist as he said the antichrist was future.

The Preterist site also have Mauro's books written while he was still a dispensationalist.    

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6 hours ago, Invicta said:

I have never read Hendriksen, but I know that baptist churches that follow Hendriksen teach that the Book of revelation is a series of seven parallel prophecies each covering the whole history of the church.  That is a form of Historicism not preterism.

I have read many of Philip Mauro's books.  He says he was one of the early dispensationalists, and looked down on those who did not accept the new teaching. He then studied the scriptures more and rejected that theory.  True his books are on the preterist site but I do not consider him a preterist as he said the antichrist was future.

The Preterist site also have Mauro's books written while he was still a dispensationalist.    

Oh so he was around in the 3rd century when people were discussing dispensation, was he?????

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12 hours ago, Invicta said:

have never read Hendriksen, but I know that baptist churches that follow Hendriksen teach that the Book of revelation is a series of seven parallel prophecies each covering the whole history of the church.  That is a form of Historicism not preterism.

I have read many of Philip Mauro's books.  He says he was one of the early dispensationalists, and looked down on those who did not accept the new teaching. He then studied the scriptures more and rejected that theory.  True his books are on the preterist site but I do not consider him a preterist as he said the antichrist was future.

 

Brethren,

Besides my books, I have a list of five different preterist forums, and or web sites, that I gather information from. Within the ranks of preterism, both William Hendriksen and Philip Mauro are considered preterist. Within those five preterist sites, and books on preterism, you will find out that that Preterism is a form of Historicism.

At the beginning of Phillip Mauro's ministry, he was a dispensational in belief.  But, he changed radically and became an ardent preterist.

Two things:

1. Dave is correct. There are different dispensations in the scriptures and not a new doctrine. I want to thank Dave for bringing this to our attention.

2. Phillip Mauro openly departed from the faith. "They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." 1 John 2:19 

Daniel,

Thank you for your thoughts on prophecy.

The next lesson will be uploaded soon.

Alan

 

 

Edited by Alan
changed the first paragraph added the word ministry

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Chapter 19
The Judgments
Part 5

“Judgment NO.4”

This lesson will be an overview on Larkin's Judgment NO. 4. The first chart with this judgment is found on page 146, called, “The Judgments,” and the second chart listing this judgment is found on page 154, in Larkin's book, “The Spirit World.”
                                                                                                                                                                 Observation by Alan
In this overview, I have noticed that Larkin has steadily scripturally refuted false beliefs concerning the Trinity, Spirit Persons (Satan and his followers, demons, and the angels of God and their ministry), events (the afterlife: heaven and hell),and judgments that are connected with the Spirit World (he refuted the General Judgment and General Resurrection beliefs). In the process of this book, Larkin has scripturally refuted; Spiritualism, the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Soul Sleep, Annihilation, the Universalist, and in this chapter the A-millennialist and/ or preterist.

Chart
The Dispensation of Judgments
page 154

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Concerning the chart and this lesson, Larkin places the Judgment of the Nations on circle number 3:

Larkin states the following concerning the Judgment found in Matthew 25:31-46, “The account of this Judgment is given in Matt. 25:31-46. The description of this Judgment, and of the one given in Rev. 20:11-15 are combined by many, and taken to teach the doctrine of a general judgment. But when we compare them they differ so widely that it is evident that they do not describe the same event.”i  

Larkin mentions dramatic differences between the Matthew 25:31-46 judgment and the Revelation 20:11-15 Judgment. These differences plainly describe two different judgments.

1. There is no resurrection in the Matthew 25: 31-46 Judgment while in Revelation 20:11-15 there is a resurrection.
2. In Matthew 25:31-46 living nations are judged while in the  Revelation 20:11-15 Judgment only “the dead” are mentioned as being judged.
3. There are no books opened in Matthew 25:31-46 while in  Revelation 20:11-15 the “Book of Life” is opened.
4. In Matthew 25:31-46 there are three classes of people mentioned: Sheep, Goats and Brethren. In Revelation 20:11-15 there is only one class of people mentioned: the dead.
5.  The Judgment as described in Matthew 25:31-46 takes place before the millennial reign of Christ, Revelation 20:4-6 while the Great White Throne of Judgment takes place after the millennial reign of Christ; Revelation 20:11-15

One other scriptural fact Larkin mentions is, “This comparison reveals the fact that one of these Judgments in “on the earth,” the other in the “heavens,” and that they are separated by 1000 years.”ii
                                                                                                                                                                 Note by Alan
Larkin does not quote either Revelation 20:11-15 nor Matthew 25:31-46 in its entirety. For our convenience, I will write out  Revelation 20:11-15 and part of Matthew 25:31-46, so the reader of this overview may see the difference.

Revelation 20:11-15 “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which are written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”  

Matthew 25:31-34, “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.”

Matthew 25:40, “And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”
                                                                                                                           Important Observations by Larkin on Matthew 25:31-46
In his dissertation on the differences between the two passages, and his exposition of Matthew 25:31-46, Larkin, among other important points, states, “The scriptures teach that the Righteous are saved by “faith” and the Wicked are lost because they “reject Christ,” but in the Judgment scene the Sheep inherit a “kingdom” and the Goats are commanded to “depart” because of their treatment of certain Brethren. All the confusion is caused by trying to make a Judgment of “nations” mean a Judgment of “individuals.” The Sheep represent one class of Nations, and the Goats another class, while the Brethren represent the Jews (Christ's brethren).”iii

Larkin quotes Joel 3: 1 & 2 to show that the Judgment of the Nations takes place in the Valley of Jehoshaphat.
                                                                                                                                                                   Note by Alan
The prophecy of Joel 3:1 & 2 is literal: Judah and Jerusalem are literal cities, the nations are literal, the valley of Jehoshaphat is a literal valley, the restoration of Israel as a nation is literal, and God makes that claim the the “land” is “my land.”
 
Joel 3:1 & 2, For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead  with them for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they scattered the nations, and parted my land.”

In order for the prophecy of Joel to be fulfilled Larkin clearly understands that the nation of Israel will be restored. Larkin states, “This prophecy clearly states that there is to be a “Judgment of Nations” on the earth in the “Valley of Jehoshaphat” at the time of the restoration of the Jews to their own land, and that the basis of Judgment is the treatment by the nations of Christ's brethren -The Jews.”iv

Larkin scripturally proves the Great White Throne of Judgment as recorded in Revelation 20:11-15 and the Judgment of the Nations as recorded in Matthew 25:31-46 are two separate judgments.
                                                                                                                                         A-millennialist and Preterist Objections
A brief summary of the A-millennial, and / or, preterist, interpretation of  Matthew 25:31-46 as presented by Larkin, is as follows.

1) The passage in Joel 3:1 & 2 pertains to the church, is symbolic, figurative, or has already been fulfilled.
2) The nation of Israel has been cast out and has no further history as a nation. “And thus was fulfilled the prophetic “allegory” of Abraham's family history, according to which the bondwoman and her son, representing Israel after the flesh, were to be “cast out” (Gal. 4:30 ); which is the end of their history as a nation.”v
3) In his chapter, “What the N. T. Teachers as to the Future Mercy for the Jews,” Those prophecies did not, except for a few instances, look beyond the events of this present era of the Holy Spirit.”vi Mauro rejects Larkin's Matthew 25:31-46 interpretation becomes Larkin teaches that God will have mercy on the nation of Israel and restore the nation of Israel.
4) Matthew 25:31-46 is spiritual and symbolic. The Sheep nations are saved people, the Goat nations are lost people, the “brethren” are saints in the Church Age, and that it a description of the judgment is Revelation 20:11-15. In other words, a General Resurrection and a General Judgment.

Larkin has scriptural proved that the two judgments are separate and that there is not a General Resurrection and a General Judgment.
                                                                                                                                                           Note by Alan
The following quote by Philip Mauro is full of presumptions, incorrect interpretations, and the twisting of scriptures. I only quote it to show the incorrect belief of an preterist, the ignorance of God's mercy towards Israel, and the disregard of the multitude of unfulfilled prophecies of the Old Testament prophets concerning the restoration of Israel. They believe Joel 3:1 & 2 is not a prophecy for the nation of Israel and is not literal. They believe that Joel 3:1 & 2 is symbolic and pertains to the church.

A-millennialism, and / or Preterism,  teaches that that all of the promises, and prophecies, concerning the nation of Israel is not literal, all are of a spiritual nature, and are given to the church. This belief is the doctrine of Replacement Theology.

Mauro fully states the position of the A-millennialism, and / or Preterism, quite clearly. Mauro states, “Let us recall, moreover, that the covenant relations between God and “Israel after the flesh” were ended, even as had been foretold by their own prophets, beginning with Moses and Joshua (Deut. 4:26; 6:14, 15, 8:20; Josh. 23:15,16); the old covenant was dissolved and “ready to vanish away”; every vestige of it was shortly to be obliterated; and therefore, of necessity, all promises based upon that covenant, had there been any as yet fulfilled, fell to the ground. But beside all that, God has now brought clearly to light, as we have seen, what He had but dimly revealed in times past, that the name ISRAEL belongs properly to His new-covenant people. Therefore, it is not enough, for the settling of the question of God's future purposes for the Jews, that prophecies concerning Israel be found which apparently have not been unfulfilled; for we must needs conclude, as to all such prophecies – unless the contrary plainly appears – that they pertain to the true “Israel of God,” and that their fulfillment is in the realm of things spiritual and unseen.”vii

So, according to Mauro, Joel 3:1 & 2, pertains to the church, is spiritual, may or may not have been fulfilled, and has nothing to the nation of Israel, or the land of Israel. And, according to Mauro, all of the promises and prophecies concerning the restoration of the nation of Israel, “… my brethren …” according to the Lord Jesus, was, “… obliterated; and therefore, of necessity, all promises based upon that covenant, had there been any as yet fulfilled, fell to the ground.”   

Conclusion

Larkin is correct. The “Great White Throne,” of Revelation 20:11-15 and the “Judgment of the Nations,” found in Matthew 25:31-46, are two separate judgments at two separate times, in two separate locations, with different people being judged.

Edited by Alan
Joel 2:1 & 2 to Joel 3:1 & 2

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I don't understand how anyone can be a Preterist.  Preterism means "already happened", while historicism means "representing historical events." And these false teachers such as Mauro are teaching that the events in Revelation have already occurred, or to symbolize nearly all of it.  I have heard some ridiculous theories trying to link Revelation up to middle ages events et al.  What the two definitely have in common is being wrong on the face of it.  Clearly, there has been no mark of the beast, no global control by Antichrist, none of the trumpet or bowl judgments, no two witnesses, no rebuilt temple, no 144,000,  . . . one could go on at length.  The only way that a person could accept any of the false systems of prophetic interpretation is by failing to believe that Revelation and the rest of scripture means what it says. Thanks for sharing your notes and observations, Alan.

God Bless,

Daniel

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Daniel,

I appreciate the kind words.

Thank you for your observations. You are correct. The interpretations of the preterist, using the symbolic and historical method of interpreting the prophecy of the book of Revelation, the Olivet discourse in Matthew 24 and Luke 21, and 1 & 2 Thessalonians, are false and have  nothing in common with history; nor the reality of future events. The interpretations of the preterist are just about as ridiculous as the interpretations of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Mauro is just one of the many false teachers in our day and age.

Alan

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On 1/16/2018 at 12:28 PM, Alan said:

 

Larkin quotes Joel 3: 1 & 2 to show that the Judgment of the Nations takes place in the Valley of Jehoshaphat.
                                                                                                                                                                   Note by Alan
The prophecy of Joel 3:1 & 2 is literal: Judah and Jerusalem are literal cities, the nations are literal, the valley of Jehoshaphat is a literal valley, the restoration of Israel as a nation is literal, and God makes that claim the the “land” is “my land.”
 
Joel 3:1 & 2, For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead  with them for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they scattered the nations, and parted my land.”

In order for the prophecy of Joel to be fulfilled Larkin clearly understands that the nation of Israel will be restored. Larkin states, “This prophecy clearly states that there is to be a “Judgment of Nations” on the earth in the “Valley of Jehoshaphat” at the time of the restoration of the Jews to their own land, and that the basis of Judgment is the treatment by the nations of Christ's brethren -The Jews.”iv

 

Brethren,

As a side note.

In my "Revelation Bible Study" lessons, Lesson # 16 Part 1 and 2, I went into great detail concerning Joel Chapter 2 & 3 and the "Restoration of the Nation of Israel."

Here is that link:

In the lessons on Joel Chapter 2 & 3, the prophecies of Joel goes into great detail concerning the literal restoration of the nation of Israel. In the study I refute further claims of a-millennialism, the preterist, and the Jehovah's Witnesses.

For those brethren new to OnLine Baptist, and those who may have questions concerning some of the prophetic prophecies concerning the literal restoration of the nation of Israel, and the false teachings of a-millennialism, preterism  and the Jehovah's Witnesses, the study is still open for comments and / or discussion.

Alan

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Alan,

First and foremost, I want to thank you for your in-depth and comprehensive study of "The Spirit World." I've done some research in the past regarding The Spirit World but there's always more that we can glean from others such as Larkin's commentaries and your notes and observations. The truth of scripture never changes. . . for it is God-breathed ("theopneustos"), and therefore very reliable in refuting false teachings based on the opinions of false teachers and their "pet doctrines." One of my pet peeves are the JW's and their false doctrines. The Jehovah's Witnesses pretty much base their entire belief system almost on one verse alone found in the Old Testament (Isaiah 43:10), and they're not so cunning regarding the twisting of scripture to fit their false doctrines. The JW's kryptonite is their faulty and poor understanding of The Koine Greek language -- or common Greek. My house is literally a magnet for JW's, which at times can be annoying; but common sense (which is not so common amongst false teachers) and good hermeneutics can send them on their way back. There is no "a" God in John 1:1 since the Greek language does not implement the usage of the word "a" -- so to get the correct interpretation is to go by its context, for context is king. And how does one get the word "TRIBE" (Rev. 7:4-8) to a symbolic interpretation of it to mean a special class of "righteous" men and women who are "worthy" enough to have the privilege to live in the Father's house, while the rest of the "saved" JW's inherit the Earth. The word TRIBE means exactly what it means - a TRIBE, or clan. As you and Larkin rightly pointed out . . .their understanding of the 144,000 is by far one of the most twisted passages of scripture I have ever came across. I look forward to your next lesson on book reviews.

God Bless,

Daniel

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Daniel,

I am glad to hear that the overview, or study, on Larkin's book, "The Spirit World," was a blessing to your heart and life.  You are correct in your testimony concerning the JW's and their ignorance of the scriptures, the Greek language, and basic Bible knowledge and interpretation. It almost seems like false teachers can teach any heretical doctrine and a lot of people are unwilling to search the scriptures, like the Bereans, Acts 17:10, in order to learn the truth.

I also appreciate your comments throughout this overview. Your comments have been encouraging to me to continue and have complimented the lessons. Thank you.

Brethren,

I will be uploading the next, and last, overview in Larkin's book very soon. The last subject will be on the Judgment found in Revelation 20:11-15, "The Great White Throne of Judgment."

Alan

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