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Saved in 3 tenses?

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52 minutes ago, heartstrings said:

Then there are different meanings of "saved" such as "saved in childbearing".

Brother Wayne,

I agree with your intended point.  However, to be more precise - The meaning of the word "saved" is not really different, since it ever means "to be delivered from something;" but the intended application can be quite different from context to context.  Certainly worthy of consideration in any given Biblical context.

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3 minutes ago, heartstrings said:

Yes, of course, that's pretty much what I meant.

So, when we read the word "saved" in the Bible, it does always mean "delivered from something" but we are not to just assume that deliverance is always "salvation from eternal damnation".

Absolutely, AMEN!!!! Big mistakes in contextual understanding and Biblical doctrine are made when we just make that assumption.

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On 5/16/2018 at 9:32 AM, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Absolutely, AMEN!!!! Big mistakes in contextual understanding and Biblical doctrine are made when we just make that assumption.

Sometimes it can be difficult to determine what the context of the word is. Especially since, when we talk about being saved in the Christian community, we mean from hell, and being brought into God’s family. I feel like I’ve been learning a lot, though. 

I was having a thought last night as well, about how being born of God, of incorruptible seed and becoming His children, how could we ever be lost? I know many who say we can lose salvation, say that we can grieve the Holy Spirit until He leaves or until we get too hardened to listen, but I can’t think of a verse in the NT that says He will ever not be apart of us for any reason, and I don’t believe He says that He will leave us, either. Also, even if we don’t listen to God (even though we should and it’s very wrong if we choose not to), I don’t see how that means we won’t be His children, anymore. We are still born of God and Christ is in us and He can’t deny Himself, the Bible says that. Just thought I’d share that, it was a moment of something simple, clicking in my head. I may still struggle, but it got me thinking some more.

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26 minutes ago, Roselove said:

When you get a chance, I still would like help with my last questions, though. I still don’t quite understand them yet.

Indeed, Sister Rose, I have intended to respond; but I am being pulled in too many different directions at once at the moment.

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On 5/2/2018 at 3:01 PM, Roselove said:

Thank you, I am a bit confused though because I think it was in one of the letters from John, he said they left us because they weren’t of us, I know that was also about false teachers, but I tended to think that it also meant that Christians wouldn’t depart, either. So, I guess my question is, how could they depart if they were truly saved? And if their conscience is seared, how could they ever come back?  

Indeed, 1 John 2:18-23 declares, "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.  They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.  But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."  First, there is no indication herein that these individuals departed from the FAITH.  Rather, there is only an indication that they departed from the CONGREGATION of believers.  Second, this passage reveals that they departed from the congregation of believers specifically because they had never been a true part of that congregation through faith.  These "departers" were antichrists, who denied that "Jesus is the Christ."  As such, they were NEVER believers in Christ, and thereby NEVER had a saving relationship with the Son or the Father.  In fact, they were NEVER in the faith itself at all.  Being in the congregation of believers has to do with one's relationship to the believers, and believers CAN be fooled for a time.  However, being in the faith has to do with one's relation to God the Son and God the Father, and they can NEVER be fooled.  These antichrists were indeed in the congregation of believers, but they were NEVER in the faith.  They did indeed depart from the congregation of believers; but they NEVER departed from the faith because they were NEVER in the faith to begin with.

Ok, I had a few moments for a quick post.  I intend to deal with the question concerning believers departing from the faith and the question concerning a seared conscience in a future posting.

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