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25 minutes ago, Roselove said:

Wow, that really is very interesting. It kind of helps me understand some of the fellowship verses that many misconstrue as salvation verses. 

Indeed, there are many who so misconstrue fellowship passages as salvation passages; and when they do, they end up packing more into the requirements of salvation than Biblical repentance and faith, either more to obtain salvation or more to maintain salvation.  
 

27 minutes ago, Roselove said:

I was asking God last night to help me understand things, I was trying to stay calm and think coherently and His Word was piecing together in my mind. I think the biggest problems I’ve had is truly understanding how to be calm and trust Him while I talk and listen to Him. It’s always been against my nature, I’ve always been such a nervous person, this has definitely been an eye opener to me, lately. I’m eager to see our relationship grow, now that I’m not so anxious about everything. 

Praise the Lord.  There truly is nothing better in all of eternal existence than to grow deeper and deeper in you fellowship with the Lord your God and Savior.  NOTHING WHATSOEVER AT ALL BETTER!!!!  Yet that growth in fellowship definitely requires a growing depth of faith, for within this life faith in the Lord our God is the very foundation for fellowship with the Lord our God.

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1 hour ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Indeed, there are many who so misconstrue fellowship passages as salvation passages; and when they do, they end up packing more into the requirements of salvation than Biblical repentance and faith, either more to obtain salvation or more to maintain salvation.  
 

Praise the Lord.  There truly is nothing better in all of eternal existence than to grow deeper and deeper in you fellowship with the Lord your God and Savior.  NOTHING WHATSOEVER AT ALL BETTER!!!!  Yet that growth in fellowship definitely requires a growing depth of faith, for within this life faith in the Lord our God is the very foundation for fellowship with the Lord our God.

Yes! I very much believe that! I’m very happy that things are starting to make sense, it has been a very difficult and exhausting road for me, regarding all of this. I know I was allowed to go through it for a reason. It has definitely caused me to seek God, much more than I used to! When I was a younger Christian (ages 14-16), I was saved I believe, but very rebellious and didn’t really see a point in living my life for Him completely, since I was taught He’d never leave me. I changed in many ways, but definitely had some sins that I held onto, that I wasn’t ready to forsake, but going through this, I’ve really done better at keeping those things away from me (although I still slip into them pretty frequently), but I’m not just willfully living like that, anymore. I still struggle with things, but I’m still trying to get stronger! It is motivating, knowing that we can’t be separated from God, and I do have a healthier fear of Him, now that I see what not trusting Him and being out of fellowship with Him, can do to me! 

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45 minutes ago, Roselove said:

I had one more question that just came up. It says in Ecc. 12:7 that everyone’s spirit goes to be with God at our deaths. How could that be, if so many won’t be saved? Just a bit confused.

Sister Rose,

First, I would present the correction that it does not say that everyone's spirit will go "to be WITH God."  Rather, it indicates that everyone's spirit will "RETURN unto God."  Being WITH God is a more relational statement.  Returning unto God simply indicates the authority under which everyone's spirit returns.

Second, I would explain that this verse simply teaches that every human individual's spirit will return under the authority of God for the Lord God to judge that spirit as HE chooses.  I would further explain that the Lord God's judgment of that spirit occurs in the very instant of death so that there is not truly any time lapse between death and hell or death and heaven respectively.

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11 minutes ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Sister Rose,

First, I would present the correction that it does not say that everyone's spirit will go "to be WITH God."  Rather, it indicates that everyone's spirit will "RETURN unto God."  Being WITH God is a more relational statement.  Returning unto God simply indicates the authority under which everyone's spirit returns.

Second, I would explain that this verse simply teaches that every human individual's spirit will return under the authority of God for the Lord God to judge that spirit as HE chooses.  I would further explain that the Lord God's judgment of that spirit occurs in the very instant of death so that there is not truly any time lapse between death and hell or death and heaven respectively.

Thank you for clearing that up! That makes sense! 

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In Ezekiel 18, Gods says all souls belong to Him and that the soul that sins shall die. 

I’m thinking He means since He created all of us, that’s why He says our souls belong to Him. But, what does He mean when He talks about the soul that sins, dies? 

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13 hours ago, Roselove said:

In Ezekiel 18, Gods says all souls belong to Him and that the soul that sins shall die. 

I’m thinking He means since He created all of us, that’s why He says our souls belong to Him. But, what does He mean when He talks about the soul that sins, dies? 

Keep in mind that the world "soul" in the bible doesn't necessarily always mean soul the way we think it does, sometimes it just means "life" or the word can also be used to refer a person.

For example this same Hebrew word Nephesh, is translated in other places as "lives" 18 other times, and 'persons" 16 times and "person" 14 times.

 

Ezekiel 18 I believe is very similar to Romans 6:23, where it says "The wages of sin is death". However you have to keep Ezekiel 18 in context, it's written to those under the Mosaic Covenant, which conditioned physical and temporal blessings for obedience, and plagues, famine, captivity, and death, etc for disobedience. You must be careful in interpreting Ezekiel and all of the Old Testament books in light of this truth. 

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Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

2  And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.

3  Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shaltthou be in the field.

4  Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

5  Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

6  Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

7  The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

8  The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

9  The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.

10  And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.

11  And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

12  The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

13  And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

14  And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

15  But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

16  Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shaltthou be in the field.

17  Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.

18  Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

19  Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

20  The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.

21  The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.

22  The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

23  And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.

24  The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

25  The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

26  And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.

27  The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

28  The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

29  And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

30  Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.

31  Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.

32  Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.

33  The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:

34  So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

35  The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.

36  The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

37  And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.

38  Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.

39  Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes;for the worms shall eat them.

40  Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.

41  Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

42  All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.

43  The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44  He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45  Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

46  And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

47  Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;

48  Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things:and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

49  The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

50  A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:

51  And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which alsoshall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.

52  And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

53  And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

54  So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:

55  So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.

56  The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,

57  And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

58  If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;

59  Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

60  Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.

61  Also every sickness, and every plague, which isnot written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

62  And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.

63  And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

64  And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

65  And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:

66  And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

67  In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

68  And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

 

Note: We are not under this covenant, this was for Israel, We are under the new Covenant and we are blessed because of the obedience of Christ. 

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14 hours ago, Roselove said:

In Ezekiel 18, Gods says all souls belong to Him and that the soul that sins shall die. 

I’m thinking He means since He created all of us, that’s why He says our souls belong to Him. But, what does He mean when He talks about the soul that sins, dies? 

Sister Rose,

First, when the Lord God states in Ezekiel 18:4 that all souls are His, He means more than that He is the Creator of all souls.  He also means that He is the sovereign authority over all souls, such that He is the one who shall judge all souls according to His own will.

Second, when considering the usage of the word "soul" in God's Word, we must remember that the word basically refers unto the essential personhood of a person.  Even so, the word "soul" is not always employed as a technical term for the inner-man, intangible soul of a person.  Sometimes the word "soul" is simply employed with the meaning of "person."  As such, in the contexts of "death" and "life," the word soul could be employed concerning a person's physical death or life in relation to this world; or it could be employed concerning a person's spiritual death or life in relation to fellowship with or separation from fellowship with God.

Concerning Ezekiel 18, I would contend that the word "soul" is employed in relation to a person's physical death or life.  The word "soul" is found within three verses in Ezekiel 18, as follows:

Ezekiel 18:4 -- "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die."
Ezekiel 18:20 -- "The soul that sinneth, it shall die.  The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."
Ezekiel 18:27 -- "
Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive."

From these verses we understand that the judgment of death will be administered upon the soul that sins against the Lord God, but also that repentance of sin can save a soul alive from that judgment of death.  However, the matters of death and life are mentioned all throughout the chapter, and are generally referenced simply in application to the person as a person (wherein personal pronouns are employed, rather than the word "soul").

In Ezekiel 18:5-9 a listing of righteous behavior upon this earth is presented; and then the conclusion is given at the end of verse 9, "He is just, he shall surely live, saith the LORD God."  Even so, this appears to be a reference unto the physical life of this righteous person, that he shall not experience the judgment of physical death, but shall surely remain physically alive.  Furthermore, the whole of Ezekiel 18:5-9 is grammatically and contextually presented in direct contrast to the statement of Ezekiel 18:4.

In Ezekiel 18:10-13 a listing of unrighteous behavior upon this earth is presented for the first man's son; and then the conclusion is given at the end of verse 13, "He shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him."  Even so, this appears to be a reference unto the judgment of physical death for this unrighteous person, specifically because of his unrighteous ways.  In fact, it is worthy to notice the reference unto "his blood."

In Ezekiel 18:14-17 a listing of righteous behavior upon this earth is presented for the second man's son; and then the conclusion is given at the end of verse 17, "He shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live."  Even so, this appears to be a reference unto the physical life of this righteous person, that he shall not experience the judgment of physical death due to his father's iniquity, but shall surely remain physically alive.

In Ezekiel 18:18 this above son's father is referenced again with a short listing of his unrighteous behavior; and then the verse concludes, "Lo, even he shall die in his iniquity."  Even so, this appears again to be a reference unto the judgment of physical death for this unrighteous person.

In Ezekiel 18:19-20 we find the truth that fathers and sons shall not bear the iniquity and judgment of the other, but that they shall live or die according to their own righteousness or wickedness.  "Yet say ye, Why?  Doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father?  When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.  The soul that sinneth, it shall die.  The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."  It is worthy to notice in these verses the direct contrast between a person surely living for his righteousness and a soul dying for his unrighteousness.  Even so, this appears to be a contrast between physically living and the judgment of physical death.

In Ezekiel 18:21-23 we find a promise of forgiveness for those unrighteousness individuals who would turn from their unrighteousness, "But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.  All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall liveHave I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"  Again, this appears to be a promise that such a repentant person shall not experience the judgment of physical death for his unrighteous ways, but shall remain physically alive specifically because of the righteousness of his repentant heart and ways.  Indeed, the Lord our God herein indicates that it is His pleasure, not for the wicked person to die in his iniquity, but for the wicked person to repent and live.

In Ezekiel 18:24 we find a pronouncement of judgment upon those righteous individuals who would turn from the righteousness unto unrighteousness, "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live?  All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."  Again, this appears to be a reference unto the judgment of physical death, specifically because of this person's trespasses and sins.

Finally, in Ezekiel 18:25-32 we find the Lord God's response unto the complaint of the Israelites that He was not being fair in this matter, "Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal.  Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal?  Are not your ways unequal?  When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.  Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.  Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.  Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal.  O house of Israel, are not my ways equal?  Are not your ways unequal?  Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD.  Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.  Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?  For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye."  Yet again, this all appears to be a reference unto the judgment of physical death for unrighteousness and unto the promise of physical life for repentance.  Indeed, this conclusion to the chapter continues the same principles of death and of life as we find throughout the entire chapter.  Thus it is worthy to notice the interchangeable usage of the word "soul" with the personal pronoun references unto the person.  

Even so, as I stated near the beginning of this posting, I myself conclude and contend that this entire chapter concerns the matters of physical death and life, and that the usage of the word "soul" simply refers unto the person in this life upon the earth.

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On 4/23/2018 at 7:50 AM, Jordan Kurecki said:

Keep in mind that the world "soul" in the bible doesn't necessarily always mean soul the way we think it does, sometimes it just means "life" or the word can also be used to refer a person.

For example this same Hebrew word Nephesh, is translated in other places as "lives" 18 other times, and 'persons" 16 times and "person" 14 times.

 

Ezekiel 18 I believe is very similar to Romans 6:23, where it says "The wages of sin is death". However you have to keep Ezekiel 18 in context, it's written to those under the Mosaic Covenant, which conditioned physical and temporal blessings for obedience, and plagues, famine, captivity, and death, etc for disobedience. You must be careful in interpreting Ezekiel and all of the Old Testament books in light of this truth. 

I was reading over this again and looked up Romans 6, i know that what’s being talked about is to live righteously and not go back to a sinful lifestyle, because we’ve been made alive through Jesus, but I kind of thought that verse 23 was talking about salvation, I wasn’t sure how that would be about physical death. I’m just curious how you see that, I’m just trying to get a clearer understanding. 

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2 hours ago, Roselove said:

I was reading over this again and looked up Romans 6, i know that what’s being talked about is to live righteously and not go back to a sinful lifestyle, because we’ve been made alive through Jesus, but I kind of thought that verse 23 was talking about salvation, I wasn’t sure how that would be about physical death. I’m just curious how you see that, I’m just trying to get a clearer understanding. 

Well Ezekiel 18 is emphasizing one particular aspect of the penalty of sin, being physical death, while Romans 6:23 is a more broader sense of death. I believe Pastor Scott Markle explained somewhere in this thread the difference aspects of death. You have to remember that Romans 6 and Ezekiel 18 are completely different contexts. Romans is talking about sin generally and salvation from sin. Ezekiel 18 is written to the nation of Israel who was under the Law of Moses and God warned them of physical death for disobedience in Deuteronomy 24 as I quoted earlier.

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5 hours ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

Well Ezekiel 18 is emphasizing one particular aspect of the penalty of sin, being physical death, while Romans 6:23 is a more broader sense of death. I believe Pastor Scott Markle explained somewhere in this thread the difference aspects of death. You have to remember that Romans 6 and Ezekiel 18 are completely different contexts. Romans is talking about sin generally and salvation from sin. Ezekiel 18 is written to the nation of Israel who was under the Law of Moses and God warned them of physical death for disobedience in Deuteronomy 24 as I quoted earlier.

Okay! I’m sorry, I think I was misinterpreting what you had said. I understand now, thank you! 

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Is Mark 8:34-38 about salvation or discipleship and fellowship? I’ve always been a little confused about this. In vs 36 it talks about losing your own soul, just interested in knowing what in this context, that means. 

Im sorry that I ask so many questions, I just get overwhelmed. I just want to help take away any ammunition that my mind has, to cause me doubt about what I’ve learned. Although what I’ve learned so far makes sense, I still get antsy when I see a similar verse that seems to say something different than the others. I know the Bible doesn’t contradict itself, but I just like to know what certain verses are saying, so that I’m able to better understand the main point of a passage. 

I just never want to come across as just wanting to debate or that I’m being difficult, I feel that I’ve made some people on this site, feel this way. It hurts, I love the church and I don’t want to seem that I’m trying to cause division. I just need help, sometimes.

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18 hours ago, Roselove said:

Is Mark 8:34-38 about salvation or discipleship and fellowship? I’ve always been a little confused about this. In vs 36 it talks about losing your own soul, just interested in knowing what in this context, that means. 

Sister Rose,

I myself believe that Mark 8:34-38 (as well as the similar passages in the other gospels) is a discipleship/fellowship passage, and that the ides of losing one's own soul is a Biblical reference unto the "soulish" death that I mentioned above.

18 hours ago, Roselove said:

Im sorry that I ask so many questions, I just get overwhelmed. I just want to help take away any ammunition that my mind has, to cause me doubt about what I’ve learned. Although what I’ve learned so far makes sense, I still get antsy when I see a similar verse that seems to say something different than the others. I know the Bible doesn’t contradict itself, but I just like to know what certain verses are saying, so that I’m able to better understand the main point of a passage. 

I just never want to come across as just wanting to debate or that I’m being difficult, I feel that I’ve made some people on this site, feel this way. It hurts, I love the church and I don’t want to seem that I’m trying to cause division. I just need help, sometimes.

Sister, to this point in our conversation, I do not believe that you have any reason to make apology to me.  I am not at all bothered by a multitude of questions, as long as I am able to find the time necessary to answer them.  Patience with my time restrictions is all that I request, and thus far you have granted that.  Furthermore, I do not believe that anywhere throughout this thread discussion with me thus far you have come across as wanting to debate or as being difficult.  I have only perceived you as being uncertain in your own mind on some things, and therefore as having many internal questions that need relief.  Answering such needs is (I believe) one of the reasons that the Lord our God has made me the way that He has and has placed me upon this earth.

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