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31 minutes ago, HappyChristian said:

A local church has the discretion to require scriptural baptism of its members. Baptism is not necessary for salvation, but it is a first step in Christian growth.  This statement does not make them briders. I'm not saying they aren't; I'm just saying that statement doesn't make them so. Had they said the person baptized HAS to have been baptized in a Baptist church there would be more evidence of briderism.

@No Nicolaitans, could you let us know how you know they are briders? Thanks.

To make a long story short, the pastor eventually told me that he was. I also was told by an acquaintance (who graduated from the college and was pursuing his Master's there) that they were Briders. My acquaintance wasn't a Brider, but he enjoyed the classes.

Based upon my own personal knowledge and interaction with the pastor, I will retract my previous statement of "They are Briders", and I'll amend it as...

The pastor is a Brider.

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4 hours ago, Standing Firm In Christ said:

One thing that they teach that is wrong, " A church is an organized assembly of scripturally baptized believers called out to do the Lord's work according to the New Testament." 

Nowhere does the Bible say that the Church is only comprised of baptized believers.

 

This sounds like an issue of semantics rather than doctrinal issue, but I don't know these guys.

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Thanks, No Ni - his verbal assurance to you pretty much says it all, eh?

SFIC, thanks for posting those - I did glance through the statement of faith but missed the part re: his definition of open baptism. And the excerpt from his article makes it clear as well.

BaptistJon - it does sound like semantics when that is the only quote used. But if you read the other quotes, it becomes clear that the pastor at least is a brider. Not to mention his verbal assurance to No Nicolaitans.

 

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11 hours ago, this guy said:

One thing that they teach that is wrong, " A church is an organized assembly of scripturally baptized believers called out to do the Lord's work according to the New Testament." 

Nowhere does the Bible say that the Church is only comprised of baptized believers.

 

Oh I don't know, how about:

Acts 2

41  Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

 

The order is very plain - believe, baptised, added.

Your turn - show where someone was added to a church who wasn't baptised first....

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To: DaveW
Read the following webpage:

Landmark Baptists: An Analysis of the Doctrinal Errors of Landmarkism
"Landmark Baptists, have many distinctive doctrines, which need to be examined in the light of the Word of God (Acts 17:11; 1 Thess. 5:21). This group holds to the following doctrines:

1. The terms kingdom and church are synonymous terms. Graves believed that the term kingdom referred collectively to all true Baptist churches. According to Graves, the kingdom announced by John the Baptist and by the Lord Jesus was to be identified with the establishment of Christ’s church. The kingdom of which John and Jesus spoke was, according to Graves, a kingdom composed of visible Baptist Churches.

2. The church did not begin at Pentecost, but began prior to the cross, even before the death of John the Baptist.

3. In Matthew 16:18 Jesus promised an unbroken historical succession of true gospel churches on earth until He returns.

4. Only Baptist churches are Biblically qualified to function as churches.

5. The only Christian baptism is water baptism (even in such passages as Ephesians 4:5 and 1 Corinthians 12:13).

6. The baptism administered by John the Baptist was Christian baptism. John’s baptism and Christian baptism are one and the same.

7. The only Biblical church is a local church. There is no such thing as one "universal" church as the body of Christ. Graves emphatically rejected the ideas of a universal, invisible church. 

[J. M. Pendleton seemed to differ with Graves on this issue. Pendleton conceded that, in passages such as Eph. 5:25 there is one “aggregate” church of all the redeemed. See David Beale (Historical Theology In-Depth, Volume 2, page 186, footnote).]"

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is the same as Briderism.
Water baptism in Briderism/Landmarkism is not a simple believe, be baptized and added.  Conditions are added to believer's baptism...and that is adding "works" to the ordinance of believer's baptism.  There are some people who are physically unable to be water baptized by immersion.  We knew a man at the IFB church we used to attend who was a quadraplegic who got saved but baptizing him by immersion would have killed him.  He passed away a few years ago without being water baptized.  He is with the Lord now.  He was "added" to the Church/Body of Christ/the Bride of Christ when he believed and was baptized by the Holy Spirit (regenerated).  He was just as much a member of the Body of Christ/the Church/the Bride of Christ as any other person (Baptist or non-Baptist) who believed, was water baptized and added to the Church.

 

BTW---"internet theologian" is not my husband's name, so please cease and desist from using that term.

 

 

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Briders and landmarkers are NOT the same thing, and I am neither.

But the order marked in Acts 2:41 IS ABSOLUTELY PLAIN.

And maybe you should do a study on what church is.......

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3 minutes ago, DaveW said:

Briders and landmarkers are NOT the same thing, and I am neither.

But the order marked in Acts 2:41 IS ABSOLUTELY PLAIN.

And maybe you should do a study on what church is.......

Maybe you should read that webpage before you jump all over everyone who doesn't agree with you.

FYI, when  I speak of Landmarkism, I do not mean the parody site of the Landmark Church.  I know several people on Facebook who call themselves Landmark Baptists and hold to the same doctrines as Briderism.
 

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7 hours ago, Standing Firm In Christ said:

 

Acts 4:1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,
Acts 4:2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.
Acts 4:3 And they laid hands on them, and put them in hold unto the next day: for it was now eventide.
Acts 4:4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

Five thousand Believers... no Baptism.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

If Baptism was a necessity in order for one to be a member of the Church, Jesus Christ would have commissioned Paul to baptize those who heard the Gospel and believed.  No commission to Baptize.

Baptism is not a pre-requisite to becoming a member of Christ's Church.

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On 8/4/2017 at 11:34 PM, faith12777 said:

Just started at faithful Baptist college. Is  anyone a current student or gradute from there?

Friend, I don't know where you stand on the issue of "Baptist Briderism", but I can tell you are excited about the opportunity that the college offers. 

Don't let anything that has transpired here squelch your enthusiasm for deeper study. My "acquaintance" was well grounded in God's word; therefore, he could separate the good from the bad as far as the courses' contents (which I don't personally recommend).

 I can certainly understand the draw of a free College; however, there is no Bible college (that I'm aware of) that I agree with 100%.

Would I recommend Faithful Baptist College? No.

I have a degree from a similar institution (it wasn't free, but it was affordable); in that, it was distance learning. I didn't agree with everything I learned there either. What I learned was this...I didn't learn anything that I didn't already know from my own personal study...except for the things I didn't agree with. :laugh:

Be careful and be wise in your exploration of things like this, but don't let any "bad news" curb your enthusiasm for learning. Nothing...and I repeat...NOTHING...can take the place of personal Bible study with the Holy Spirit's direction. While today's churches may want a pastor (or staff member) who has a degree, that's just the world's influence on the church in my opinion. I'm not ashamed to admit that I got my degree because I felt it was needed in today's "church society". Too many churches have succumbed to worldly influences in demanding such things as this. I don't think the apostles had a college degree :laugh:, but they had something better...personal teaching from God himself. We have the same opportunity today through the Holy Spirit. I have a degree, but it's inside of the same envelope that I received it in years ago. 

If you want to pursue a degree, then I think that's admirable...just don't let getting a degree be your end-goal. My beliefs are what I've learned from my own personal study...not from what my college studies taught me. Your end-goal should be to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ, and that is best done through the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

Others may disagree with my stance on this, so take what I've said as such. This is my own personal input based on years of my own personal experience. Your experience (and other's) may differ. I just gave this as food for thought.

May the Lord bless you as you seek to serve him.

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