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4 hours ago, BabeinChrist said:

It really isn't about the numbers as much as the fact that a good, biblically sound, soulwinning church WILL be blessed by God , and WILL grow, even if it is slowly at first.

A religious institution that teaches its members that God requires monetary tithing IS NOT "biblically sound". 

Not one Scripture or verse in the entire Bible says that God requires tithes of monetary income... not one.

 

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5 hours ago, BabeinChrist said:

With all the IFB churches in America, if we ALL went soulwinning just once a week, we would knock the doors of every house in America, we would have a revival that would shake the ends of the earth.

 

That is not necessarily true.

I know an IFB Pastor in Level Cross, NC (I once served on the Deacon Board at his church) who took a team out knocking on doors quite often.  Hardly made a difference. 

One community of 163 homes only brought one man to the church.  One out of one hundred sixty-three.  Even if every door in America were knocked on, the results would not change much more than that.

Why?  Because we are living in the last days.  The age of the Laodicean Church.  Apostasy... not Revival.    Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. 

Does this mean we shouldn't witness Christ to a lost and dying world?  Of course not!  There's always the possibility that one out of one hundred sixty-three that will be hungry for righteousness.

Revival doesn't happen when the lost get saved.  It happens when the children of God, who have strayed from God return to God.

Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Edited by Standing Firm In Christ

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16 hours ago, Standing Firm In Christ said:

That is not necessarily true.

I know an IFB Pastor in Level Cross, NC (I once served on the Deacon Board at his church) who took a team out knocking on doors quite often.  Hardly made a difference. 

One community of 163 homes only brought one man to the church.  One out of one hundred sixty-three.  Even if every door in America were knocked on, the results would not change much more than that.

Why?  Because we are living in the last days.  The age of the Laodicean Church.  Apostasy... not Revival.    Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. 

Does this mean we shouldn't witness Christ to a lost and dying world?  Of course not!  There's always the possibility that one out of one hundred sixty-three that will be hungry for righteousness.

Revival doesn't happen when the lost get saved.  It happens when the children of God, who have strayed from God return to God.

Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

God bless that Pastor in NC.

Maybe only one guy came to church, but a person can be saved without ever stepping foot in a church. Of course we WANT them to get into church but even if they don't, and they allow us to to give them the Gospel of Jesus Christ and they BELIEVE it  and are saved it was still worth it. EVERY soul matters.

Is it better to just let them all go to Hell?

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2 hours ago, Standing Firm In Christ said:

Here is a video where I was interviewed when my book, "The Biblical Tithe: Cash or Crops?" went to the Publishers.

So you were ordained at age 29 by a PENTECOSTAL church?

Please tell me you don't speak in tongues.

Were you ordained according to the biblical requirements set forth in 1 Timothy 3 & Titus 1??

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2 hours ago, BabeinChrist said:

So you were ordained at age 29 by a PENTECOSTAL church?

Please tell me you don't speak in tongues.

Were you ordained according to the biblical requirements set forth in 1 Timothy 3 & Titus 1??

No, I don't speak in tongues.  Nor do I do the "slain in the Spirit" thing.

I got out of the Pentecostal movement the same year I was ordained. (approximately 4 months after)

I have been Independent Fundamental Baptist since late-1988.  I felt God calling me to start a new ministry in Northern Virginia.  As I studied in preparation for that ministry, the Spirit began opening my eyes to practices in the Pentecostal movement that could not be supported by Scripture at all.

When I left that movement to begin a new ministry, I left much of its doctrines behind.

Did I ever believe in speaking in tongues or being "slain in the Spirit"?  To be perfectly honest, my spirit never did set well with the doctrine.  But I had been raised in that environment. 

I knew the word and was often called to speak.  I just never approached those two subjects, because, as I said, I was troubled in my spirit about them all along.

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As to the "slain in the Spirit" thing, I often tell people, "If ever I am in a service and something like that starts happening, I hope I am standing behind one of those who are being "slain".

If I am, as soon as I see them start to fall, I will gladly step to the side and let them fall.

After all, if the Spirit is knocking them down, who am I to hinder the Spirit?  If He wants to knock them down, He will knock them down at the speed that He wants.  Catching them will hinder them from falling, thereby hindering the Spirit.

If it was the Spirit that knocked them down, they'll stay down.  If not, they will get up quickly and I;ll see what kind of spirit really knocked them down  LoL"

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22 hours ago, Standing Firm In Christ said:

As to the "slain in the Spirit" thing, I often tell people, "If ever I am in a service and something like that starts happening, I hope I am standing behind one of those who are being "slain".

If I am, as soon as I see them start to fall, I will gladly step to the side and let them fall.

After all, if the Spirit is knocking them down, who am I to hinder the Spirit?  If He wants to knock them down, He will knock them down at the speed that He wants.  Catching them will hinder them from falling, thereby hindering the Spirit.

If it was the Spirit that knocked them down, they'll stay down.  If not, they will get up quickly and I;ll see what kind of spirit really knocked them down  LoL"

Yes, all the false prophet Benny Hinn nonsense is nothing but a bunch of Mortal Kombat hocus pocus.

The speaking in tongues thing is too. It's unbiblical. Anyone that reads their Bible knows the miracle at Pentecost was people understanding the preaching in their own native language, not some otherworldly, demonic ranting.

God is certainly not the author of confusion.

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The Proper Teaching of Malachi 3:7-11
by Ronald W Robey

The proper teaching from Malachi 3:7-11 should be that tithing was an ordinance (v.7) given to national Israel, not to the Church. (Lev. 27:30-34; Mal. 1:1; 2:1)

The proper teaching from Malachi 3:7-11 should be that Malachi was referring to a tithe of crops and livestock… not money. (Lev. 27:30-33)

The proper teaching from Malachi 3:7-11 should be that the curse associated with not tithing was allowing the locusts to eat the crops, (v.11) and withholding of rain (Gen. 7:5; 8:2)… not loss of money, loss of job, ill health, automotive engine failures, broken families, etc..

The proper teaching from Malachi 3:7-11 should be that the blessings associated with tithing was God sending rain from heaven (Gen. 7:5; 8:2; Mal. 3:11) and preventing the locust from eating the crops… bringing about a bountiful harvest… not more money, better job, good health, perfect running vehicles, close-knit family, etc..

The proper teaching from Malachi 3:7-11 is that rhe rebuke and admonition was delivered to the Priests of Israel, (Mal. 2:1) not to the Church. The Church was not robbing God… the Priests of Israel were.

Monetary tithe requirement teachers clearly distort the proper teaching of Malachi 3, turning the rebuke and admonition intended for the Priests of Israel into something that God never decreed. The monetary tithe requirement doctrine is an improper and abusive doctrine that oppresses the laborer from his wages, the widows and orphans. It has no place in the pulpit of the post-crucifixion Church. (Acts 15:19-20; 2 Cor. 9:6-7)

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Pastors need to allow the light to shine upon their hearts and minds as they study God’s Word. Take off the blinders of religion, opinion, and tradition; interpret the Scripture with the mind of Christ. If they do, God will reveal to them that which He has revealed to many concerning the tithes of the Mosaic/Levitic Law. If they allow God’s Word to speak for itself, they will come to no other conclusion than that God never imposed a monetary tithe upon Tabernacle, Temple, Synagogue or Church.

https://boldproclaimer.wordpress.com/2015/07/13/the-proper-teaching-of-malachi-37-11/
 

Edited by LindaR

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8 hours ago, BabeinChrist said:

Standing firm:

You never answered my question----so I ask again:

When you were ordained at age 29, was it in accordance with the Biblical REQUIREMENTS set forth in 1 Timothy 3 & Titus 1 ??

We can talk about my ordination in another thread. 

This thread is about my book.  Tired of running down your rabbit trails.

 

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I think enough's been said. Everybody knows about the book now. If you want further information, the OP takes you to the site to purchase the book. Agree or not, if you have the $$, it would be nice to support a brother by purchasing the book. Thread is now locked.

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