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18 hours ago, wretched said:

Ah but Invicta,

Isn't it more accurate and thorough to look at Foreknowledge as "knowing beforehand" who will believe of their own free will because He can see when they do, not manipulating them to believe? The word references knowledge, not action. See the difference? Therefore the question of whether we can change it or not is irrelevant IMO.

That makes God dependent on us.  Did not God choose the Jews?  Of course he did, there was a thread that discussed this a week or two ago.

Just a general knowledge or an intimate knowledge?  Adam knew eve in an intimate sense, not a general sense. If it was just case, you might have had a point, but the NT is full of examples which however much you try, you can't explain away, Eph.1:1-11. for example.

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4 hours ago, Invicta said:

That makes God dependent on us.  Did not God choose the Jews?  Of course he did, there was a thread that discussed this a week or two ago.

Just a general knowledge or an intimate knowledge?  Adam knew eve in an intimate sense, not a general sense. If it was just case, you might have had a point, but the NT is full of examples which however much you try, you can't explain away, Eph.1:1-11. for example.

Wouldn't it make much more NT sense to see that God in these last days has chosen all men, whether Jew or gentile to come to Him (way too many passages to list), just as He did with Abraham as an individual. It was still a choice God gave to Abraham and absolutely dependent on Abraham's acceptance and obedience.

Reformed theology relieves all people everywhere of their individual responsibility to believe the Gospel, it is contrary to every page of God's Word. What on earth would be the purpose of the Great White Throne if no one has a choice? What would be the purpose of Christ's life and ministry on earth in order to judge us all equally against His standard or if not, His Sacrifice on the Cross?  Reformed is a false religion and not of the Lord my friend. It ignores reason and accountability and is basically a spiritual welfare program. Oh sure, it breeds intellectualism but that is one of its biggest unScriptural problems making its followers lovers of intellectual men rather than lovers of God.  It is of the world and worships men and their studies more than Gods Word. Eph 1 is no battle cry for the reformed my friend, the reformed interpretation ignores the context and subject of the passage which is verses 4. 12-14. This passage has zero to do with any imaginary "hand picking" of saints.

 

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2 hours ago, wretched said:

Reformed theology relieves all people everywhere of their individual responsibility to believe the Gospel, it is contrary to every page of God's Word. What on earth would be the purpose of the Great White Throne if no one has a choice? What would be the purpose of Christ's life and ministry on earth in order to judge us all equally against His standard or if not,

No it doesn't, it teaches that God has sovereignty and man has responsibility.

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On 7/16/2017 at 1:48 PM, BabeinChrist said:

I am familiar with the heresy of Calvinism, but am unaware of the meaning of TULIP, other than the flower.

What is TULIP?

Calvinism is not hersy,a sits just another system/method supported in teh scriptures as to God deals with sinful humanity. I see Non cals and Cals are both saved by the grace of the Lord, but that we understand it if different ways.

Basically, TULIP stands for the 5 points of Grace that calvinism is built upon for salvation, as each letter stands for a different point. Such as Total depravity, Limited Atonement, Irresistable grace etc.

many times the basic problem is a communication one, as many times those against Calvinism understand the meanings in a differest fashion than we vest in those terms.

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