Climate change

[DaveW]

So as not to sidetrack the presidential thread, but picking up on a particular subject (plus, since he is not MY president my input to that thread should be minimal).

Climate change.......

I have a few opinions on various aspects of the subject.

First of all - the claims of climate change are based on the world's science.

This is the same "science" that tells us that over millions of years there have been several (at least two is what I remember being taught) ice ages, all of which occurred (according to their science) before man came upon the scene.

The question then must be asked: what caused these climate change events?

And a second question: If such climate events happened before man, then how can they attribute this so called event to man's influence?

Remember that I am talking in terms of their own science. Their own science indicates that such change happens without men, so they have no reason to assume that men have caused this one. 

 

Secondly, their science is based only on a short period of accurate measurements.

Santorio Santorio (1561-1636) invented the first "accurate" thermometer. 

Prior to this time there was no accurate temperature recordings, and in fact it was the 1700's (I think 1714) before a standard scale for temp was invented.

This means we only have 300years (approx) of recorded temperatures.

Remember that all other temps are worked our by scientists making certain assumptions that cannot be fully verified.

So we have three hundred years of temperature measurements with constantly improving accuracy.

But how can they possibly know from 300 years that this is a globally historic event?

Could this not be a normal temperature cycle that happens say every 600 years and has nothing to do with anything man has done?

There is no real way of knowing because only actually know with certainty that the temperatures have changed over the last 300 years.

And there are other reasonable explanations for those recorded changes.

 

Now, HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, man was given the task of looking after the Earth in Genesis 2 and 3, and we should be doing our utmost not to mistreat the planet that God has supplied for us.

This should be the underlying motivation for any "environmentalism" and if it is, that will of course be tempered with the other commands of God, so it will not get out of hand.

We should look after this place because God told us to.

 

 

[Alan]

Dave,

I appreciate any and all thoughts, comments, or discussion, you may have on any of my threads; including the Making America Great Again thread.

Also,

3 hours ago, DaveW said:

Santorio Santorio (1561-1636) invented the first "accurate" thermometer. 

Prior to this time there was no accurate temperature recordings, and in fact it was the 1700's (I think 1714) before a standard scale for temp was invented.

This means we only have 300years (approx) of recorded temperatures.

Remember that all other temps are worked our by scientists making certain assumptions that cannot be fully verified.

This is true.

Evolutionists, pseudo-science politicians,   use assumptions that cannot be proven, or independently verified, in almost every aspect of their findings.

[DaveW]

Alan, I appreciate the invitation, but I don't feel like I should have much to say about the US president. If there is something relevant for me to say then I will say it.

This subject however is worthy of a thread without being mixed into the politics thread.

[Jim_Alaska]

Environmentalism is not about Clean Water or Clean Air, but rather, the Total Dismantling of Industry and Technology.

It is about power and control.

[heartstrings]

Exactly.

 

[swathdiver]

Right, Global Cooling, Global Warming, Climate Change is a hoax.  It's a design of the devil, communistic political movement for power and control over the people of this earth.

The climate is always changing.  It rained here today, it didn't yesterday but over there.  It was cold up there but hot down here.  In a few months it will be cold here and hot up there...

Liberalism (political) is the default position of ignorance and opposition to God and the things of God.  Liberals are easily deceived into believing whatever because there's is an emotional pursuit, not a thinking one.  

[jamesduncan]

The climate has been changing since day one & it will continue to change, with or without us!!!

Today’s real issue is ENERGY, so let’s get together and fix this while we still can

 The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?
Energy information Administration Official Energy Statistics from the US government
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/forecasting.html 

The above report indicates that the US will be using primarily oil as our main energy source through 2030. 

The world's total declared reserves are 1,317,400,000,000 barrels (January 2007). 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves 

World oil consumption 2005 is 80,290,000 barrels per day or 29,305,850,000 per year 
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2174rank.html 

Dividing annual consumption into total reserves gives us 44.9 years of oil supply at the current consumption rate.

That was eleven (11)years ago, we are not changing our habits and this spells doom for us all. 

Do you have any suggestions--?

Libya will be an interesting place to watch.

·         Libya’s current production rate is 1.8 million barrels of oil a day

·         At that rate Libya will exhaust all its reserves within 63 years

·         Existing oil fields undergoing a 7–8% decline rate

They have highways and freeways and use cars and trucks just like the rest of us do.

But up until now gas was pretty much free.

If there is going to be a drive to manufacture electric and hybrid cars for local consumption

 now is the time for Libya to use its cash reserves and invest in local production of the next generation power systems.

At least in the US we have the cash and will to build a new future for America and the

people are willing to do their part too. Anyway

I hope people are trying to think this through?

 Thank you all for participating in this discussion—

Edited June 3, 2017 by jamesduncan
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[DaveW]

Hey Mods - this is at least two separate threads with this info on it - could you check this for spam please?

The other is a unique thread, which is fine, but this is not relevant to the subject of this thread.

 

Thanks.

[jamesduncan]

17 minutes ago, DaveW said:

Hey Mods - this is at least two separate threads with this info on it - could you check this for spam please?

The other is a unique thread, which is fine, but this is not relevant to the subject of this thread.

 

Thanks.

 

The topic is relevant to both threads and it was posted on both sites to expand readers who may see it. And believe it or not, many claim the burning of fossil fuels is causing climate change making my point in the rain or sunshine 

Edited June 4, 2017 by jamesduncan

[Joe Coley]

I was preaching a revival meeting in Barrow Alaska last year, and was astonished at the way the schools had all of the children in that place literally scared to death that ice caps were going to melt a they were all going to drown in a flood! so one night we took a glass of ice and filled it with water like we do with tea down south. I asked the church how many believed that when the ice melts it will over flow the glass. well to my surprise they all raised their hands. but they were shocked when the water level dropped!! look I don't know much about the scientific parts but I can promise you this: God never created an earth that he can not sustain until he is ready to b urn it up !!

[HappyChristian]

3 hours ago, jamesduncan said:

 

The topic is relevant to both threads and it was posted on both sites to expand readers who may see it. And believe it or not, many claim the burning of fossil fuels is causing climate change making my point in the rain or sunshine 

Actually, james, we don't need repeat postings. If you have a point, you can make it in the relevant thread. But not repeatedly in different threads. Even if considered relevant to both. Word to the wise.  Spamming (repeating posts in the same or various threads) isn't allowed.

[swathdiver]

That's right preacher!  We humans cannot destroy the earth any more than we did because of the consequences of sin in the garden of Eden.  It's an inconvenient truth to the poor liberals who know not the Lord. 

[standtallornot]

This forum's topic is "climate change" caused by the burning of fossil fuels. Knowing when we burn it all up makes it relevant to this topic.

You can always scroll on by if you like

North Sea is running too dry to meet target 
Wednesday July 4, 2007 
http://environment.guardian.co.uk/energy/story/0,,
2117952,00.html 

The real casus belli: peak oil 
Tuesday June 26, 2007 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2
111529,00.html 

Science Panel Finds Fault With Estimates of Coal Supply 
Published: June 21, 2007 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/21/business/21coal.
html 

Chevron announces that they now have 11.8 years of oil left at current production levels after aquiring Unocal reserves 
07/08/05 
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/11/business/worldbu
siness/11unocal.html?pagewanted=2&adxnnl=1&
adxnnlx=1123732924-48wR07Ekayb0gi0r7b8l9Q 
 

An Oil Enigma: Production Falls Even as Reserves Rise 
Published: June 12, 2004 
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/12/business/12RESE.
html?pagewanted=3&hp 

"The decline of oil and gas will affect the world population more than climate change" 
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/02/glo
bal.warming/'>http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/02/glo
bal.warming/ 

In January 2001, the U.S. 
Department of Energy estimated the world's supply of unexploited oil reserves the world supply of oil will be totally exhausted 35 years from now (June 2003). 
http://members.aol.com/mpwright9/oil.html 

World oil and gas 'running out' 
Thursday, October 2, 2003 Posted: 1245 GMT ( 8:45 PM HKT) 
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/02/glo
bal.warming/'>http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/02/glo
bal.warming/ 

The Oil Crunch 
Published: May 7, 2004 
The question, instead, is when the trend in oil prices will turn decisively upward. That upward turn is inevitable as a growing world economy confronts a resource in limited supply. But when will it happen? Maybe it already has. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/opinion/07KRUG.h
tml 

Natural gas markets undergo turbulent transition as domestic production declines 
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 
http://www.statesman.com/business/content/auto/epa
per/editions/tuesday/business_f3edda2474a06071009b.
html 

"Texas' oil resource is pretty well picked over," http://www.statesman.com/specialreports/content/sp
ecialreports/energy/0617oil.html'>http://www.statesman.com/specialreports/content/sp
ecialreports/energy/0617oil.html 

Oman's Oil Yield Long in Decline, Shell Data Show 
Published: April 8, 2004 
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/business/08OIL.h
tml?hp 

Half of Texas’s oil wells have dried up in the past 40 years and there are very few new ones. 
http://www.statesman.com/specialreports/content/sp
ecialreports/energy/0617oil.html'>http://www.statesman.com/specialreports/content/sp
ecialreports/energy/0617oil.html 

Tight Oil Supply Won't Ease Soon 
Published: May 16, 2004 
Two dollars for a gallon of gas? Get used to it. High fuel prices are here to stay, at least for the near future, because no relief is in sight for tight oil supplies. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/16/business/16OIL.h
tml?pagewanted=2&hp&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=10
84724567-pWSKI+RB9bShA5oXGRQi4w 

The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?

[swathdiver]

Go back to the 1970s and you'll find these same types of articles.  In the grand scheme of things its all a lie.  God is in control.  And if we really were going to run out of a natural resource for fuel (as we nearly did with trees during the end of the 19th century), man can and will make use of another resource provided by God.  

Fact is, there's more oil available now then during the premier of AlGore's first fiction movie.  I'm doing my part, I keep the thermostat set cold and bought a GMC Yukon XL that I like to drive around by myself in.

[DaveW]

3 hours ago, swathdiver said:

bought a GMC Yukon XL that I like to drive around by myself in.

            

Personally, I am not convinced that oil is non-renewable.

They have found coal seams with "produced items" such as hats etc embedded in them, indicating that the particular coal deposits formed since that item was made, and "lost" in whatever it was that the coal was formed from, and there is an intrinsic link between coal and oil.

So I think there are indicators that more oil is being formed all the time - but I am not an expert, and have done very little research on that particular topic.

What I do know, is that they turn the oil flow up and down according to how much money they want to make and how quickly they want to make it. To "scare" everybody into thinking that oil is becoming scarce only really results in them being able to pump up the prices and rip us off harder.

 

Just my thoughts.....