JEREMIAH 49... I don't see a lot of eschatology being discussed here (other than the millennial kingdom) recently... so I decided to go out on a limb and start a discussion about Jeremiah 49. I wanted to focus on the specific passages of 35-39, and most specifically upon verse 36.
"And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come."
SOMETHING is going to happen in Iran (specifically where Elam used to be which is in what is now Iran).
It is an area ***"stretching from the lowlands of what is now Khuzestan and Ilam Province as well as a small part of southern Iraq." (*** land description taken from wikipedia... see also map below)
I realize that Persia is also listed in Ezekiel 38-39 as one of the nations which is included in the confederacy against Israel. I do not think it is likely that is part of Ezekiel's prophecy in ch. 38-39, but I do think it COULD precede it, and possibly be a factor in why Persia is listed in the Ezekiel 38-39 confederacy (although the reasons for Ez. 38-39 are more about "taking a spoil")
So back to Jeremiah 49
SOMETHING will happen to cause THIS:
"... I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven,
and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation
whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come."
My thought is that it's possible that Iran will attempt to attack Israel. Israel will defend herself and isn't it amazing that the Bushehr site in Iran
(the very site the nuclear reactor is located) is smack dab in the area where Elam was?
Not saying it HAS TO happen that way... and I'm not saying the event HAS to be nuclear... I am just that it COULD happen that way.
Whatever happens the Lord will be in control of the situation. It does not have to be nuclear, it could be any number of events...and it will be of God's will.
Whatever happens (nuclear or not) will cause these things to happen (which have not YET happened to a total fulfillment in history):
1. The Lord "will bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven,"
2. "and will scatter them toward all those winds;"
3. "and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come."
History tells us that Elam was conquered by the Assyrian empire and then later by the Medo-Persian empire.However, that did not drive out all of those people who lived there, but instead they were then under the control of the Medo-Persian empires control, but most continued to live in that same area of land (even though under the rulership of the Medo-Persian empire).
So I do not believe that being conquered by the Medo-Persian empire fulfills this prophecy since they were not driven off the land, they were not scattered to the 4 quarters, and they haven't (yet) been scattered to all nations.
Elam is now a part of modern-day Iran. (and in that part of Iran there is a nuclear reactor as well as current plans for the Iranians to build more) I conclude these verses are future events (possibly soon).
I also would further conclude that verses 38-39 will be fulfilled at an even later time (the millennial reign) because there certainly is NOT a throne of the Lord in Elam, nor has there ever been in past history.
The only other place in the Bible that a (future) earthly throne of the Lord is mentioned is in reference to Jerusalem. So while I do not claim to have any idea exactly what the throne of the Lord in Elam will be... nor the reason why... I do believe it is true, because the word of God IS true!
Every past prophecy which was fulfilled was fulfilled exactly as prophecied, to the letter,
Which means all future prophecy will also be fulfilled exactly as prophecied.
I am only giving my opinion of what COULD cause them to be scattered to the 4 quarters, and scattered unto every nation.
That said... God cannot be boxed into "logical human reasoning" because His ways are far above our ways.
So I am not stating it HAS to be a nuclear event... it is just a possibility of what could occur to cause such a scattering.
35 "Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might.
36 "And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.
37 "For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the Lord; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:
38 "And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the Lord.
39 "But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the Lord.
map image (taken from wikipedia) for the location of where Elam was:
What say ye all?
Hello all... let's talk. Recently there was a change made to the feed stream of this site. A few of us are having difficulty finding new posts and so (I think) it may be leading to a lack of discussions. Many of us came here for fellowship with other IFB friends, brothers, and sisters. The world has a worldly view... But I'm curious as to what do fellow bible believer's think about the following topics, and whether (or not) you think any/all of the topics relate to scripture, if so, why? Thanks for your input as I feel we should "gather together" as we see the day approaching.
Here are just a few things I thought of which I don't see being discussed here currently:
Earthquakes in various places around the globe
Financial economy troubles around the globe
China and Russia both pressing for a new world currency
US public schools took God out/all government buildings removing any reference to God
and does this relate to the younger generation's rebellion against parents and authority figures
Do you see these things increasing over the last decade (yes, they've always been around, but have you noticed a marked increase over the last 5-10 years in):
self-love, gimme now/I deserve everything-for-nothing-attitudes
covetousness (desiring things that other people have which are beyond your means)
arrogance, boasting, pride
cussing, smut on TV even in the commercials
being lied to/betrayed/broken promises all without any signs of remorse
mocking of Christians, mocking of the bible, mocking of God and Jesus
fornication/adultery/perversions such as homosexuality and pedophiles
Russia and Iran both being right outside Israel's borders in Syria
The LGBT movement and/or gay marriage
Christian persecution in middle east nations (and or in our/your own)
False teachers on TV (and in churches)
Muslim invasion of the world
Syrian refugee crisis (what do you think of the crisis in Germany, Austria, and other nations. Also what do you think about Obama importing them here to US?) The "deal" which basically allows Iran to have nukes
Obama's use of executive orders to bypass Congress
And if you'd like to discuss any of these things (or other current events), please state if you believe it does or does not pertain to scripture and why.
Pick a topic... and let's dig in! Thanks
By In the Cross
On a recent missions trip to Israel, I put together a short documentary on a recent prophetic fulfillment in Northern Israel that is very significant for the time frame we are living in today.
Isaiah 29;17-18 "Is it not yet a very little while,and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field,and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book,and the eyes of the blind shall see out of OBscurity,and out of darkness."
My fellow Brothers and Sisters in Christ, I am seeking scripture that speaks out against my topic. I do not believe that God would come to another induvidual and tell them something that he had intended for the person being told to find out. Here is what I am facing; my relationship of a month shy of two years was ruined by a woman who told my significant other that "God told her that she needed to end our relationship." I cannot blame my Girlfriend for listening to her do to the fact that I am out numbered in this fight. Her Mom, Sister, and Grandparents share the same penocostal holiness faith. She is not that way herself, however her mind could be swayed when the core of her family is in support of this. The woman who told her to do this is a Second cousin whom is more like an Aunt to her and they have always been close. She is the second wife to a man (her third marrige herself) who pastors a church in our area. His congregation is being led by him unknowing of his past life...I guess he doesn't read the book of Timothy...however thats a different discussion. I need verses and most of all prayers because the only way that her and I can make it back together is by God's touch. Thank you friends!
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