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If this has been discussed before let me know please...

What is everyone's thinking about your main Bible being on your mobile device?  

For some this is heresy.  We are trained to carry our (printed) Bible, mark our Bible, etc. etc.  Some say reading off a cell phone or tablet is just not right.  But wow... when you can have a complete Bible study system on your mobile device (phone/tablet) and indeed ALL you devices and sync them all.  Having complete commentary sets and so many Bible study aids the "Mobile Bible" (study system) has so many advantages.  

What about you?  
- Do you think you could ever NOT carry a printed Bible?  
- Could you ever get to the point where your "go to" Bible with your notes is ONLY on your device(s)?
- Is there something wrong with not carrying a standard printed Bible but having so much more info available on your device? (Bible AND complete study tool library)
- PASTORS: If someone uses Bible apps ONLY in church would you suggest to them they also bring a standard printed Bible?

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25 minutes ago, 1611mac said:

If this has been discussed before let me know please...

What is everyone's thinking about your main Bible being on your mobile device?  

For some this is heresy.  We are trained to carry our (printed) Bible, mark our Bible, etc. etc.  Some say reading off a cell phone or tablet is just not right.  But wow... when you can have a complete Bible study system on your mobile device (phone/tablet) and indeed ALL you devices and sync them all.  Having complete commentary sets and so many Bible study aids the "Mobile Bible" (study system) has so many advantages.  

What about you?  
- Do you think you could ever NOT carry a printed Bible?  
- Could you ever get to the point where your "go to" Bible with your notes is ONLY on your device(s)?
- Is there something wrong with not carrying a standard printed Bible but having so much more info available on your device? (Bible AND complete study tool library)
- PASTORS: If someone uses Bible apps ONLY in church would you suggest to them they also bring a standard printed Bible?

I always carry a printed Bible, but I do take my IPad as well because I can look at several commentaries with ease.

I don't think people should use Bible apps instead of the real thing. Half the Christians I see have a hard enough time trying to find 1 John in their own bibles, and using a bible app is just more of a crutch. In a way it's seems about "lazy" instead of learning where the different books are in a hard copy.

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2 minutes ago, Disciple.Luke said:

I always carry a printed Bible, but I do take my IPad as well because I can look at several commentaries with ease.

I don't think people should use Bible apps instead of the real thing. Half the Christians I see have a hard enough time trying to find 1 John in their own bibles, and using a bible app is just more of a crutch. In a way it's seems about "lazy" instead of learning where the different books are in a hard copy.

Hi.. I'm not challenging here... but spurring conversation... If you are using a Bible app only does it matter that you can quickly navigate through a printed Bible?  If you don't know the Books of the Bible nor their order does it matter whether you are in an App or Printed Bible?  Both show lack of care and study.

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I am not against these devices, I think the technology can be a big benefit if properly used. For me "properly used" would be for studying or possibly witnessing, as in soul winning. They can be a big help in comparing Scripture, as well as cross referencing and you can, at the same time, input your study right on the device.

Using a printed Bible in church encourages others to bring and use theirs. One of the first things I remember doing as a new Christian is learning where the books of the Bible are. In this respect I think that this is a needful endeavor, much like memorizing bible verses. You get familiar with not only the book or verse, but also where it is located. Is the book in the front, between the front and the middle, in the middle, between the middle and the end?

I can still remember memorizing verses and becoming very familiar with where the verse was located on the page. I actually had a picture of it in my mind which helped a lot in finding both book and verse.

For instance, I use my computer almost exclusively for study and sermon preparation. This is not like carrying your device to church with you. But my Sword Searcher program as a definite step up from only having a printed Bible for study purposes.

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18 minutes ago, 1611mac said:

Hi.. I'm not challenging here... but spurring conversation... If you are using a Bible app only does it matter that you can quickly navigate through a printed Bible?  If you don't know the Books of the Bible nor their order does it matter whether you are in an App or Printed Bible?  Both show lack of care and study.

I wasn't challenging you, brother. I apologize if I came off that way. I was just my opinion.

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I use all of them...printed, phone app (MySword), and a computer program (TheWord).

I still prefer my actual printed Bible though.

There's just something that invokes an awe and reverence in me about being able to hold, read, and study an actual bible. Men gave their lives to produce a printed bible, and we enjoy the privilege of owning one today because of their efforts and sacrifices.

To be fair though, I also see the current explosion of computerized bibles as a natural progression. I know just a little about coding, so I can't imagine the work that must go into producing a bible program or app...and many are free to use! Those who produce these programs may not have given their lives, but they've certainly given a tremendous amount to give us God's word technologically.

Still...I'm an old fogy...and prefer a printed bible. LOL! 

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1 hour ago, Disciple.Luke said:

Half the Christians I see have a hard enough time trying to find 1 John in their own bibles, and using a bible app is just more of a crutch. In a way it's seems about "lazy" instead of learning where the different books are in a hard copy.

 

1 hour ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Using a printed Bible in church encourages others to bring and use theirs. One of the first things I remember doing as a new Christian is learning where the books of the Bible are. In this respect I think that this is a needful endeavor, much like memorizing bible verses. You get familiar with not only the book or verse, but also where it is located. Is the book in the front, between the front and the middle, in the middle, between the middle and the end?

I am something of a bibliophile, (with Luddite-like tendencies) so I will never welcome electronic devices as anything even close to primary use.  A large number of studies show that there is something about physically doing things with tangible, non electronic devices, that allows for better retention of information and skill.  From personal experience, I find this to be true.

Knowing where stories are located in a physical Bible allow for a linear mnemonic timeline, of sorts, to be visualized in one's mind.  The subject of mnemonics can be a series of threads in and of itself, but the general idea behind it is that our brains work much more efficiently, in regard to memory, when visuals are used.  You probably can't remember your shopping list from last month, but you can probably mentally walk through every room of the home in which you grew up and account for nearly every item within.  Since there are actual physical locations that you read and touch and write upon, within the pages of physical books, they are much more mnemonically conducive than electronic devices.  While you can create mnemonic systems with electronic devices, physical books create a much stronger mnemonic connection because of the actual physical locations of the information.

Even things like the physical dimensions of a physical book can prime one's mind for the task to come.  When you sit down with a physical copy of a thick book, like the Bible or an old copy of Robinson Caruso, your brain knows to expect a lot of information and that it is going to be a certain amount of linear time before it is completed.  With an electronic book, your brain does not prepare in the same manner and does not process the informations in the same way.  There is no real backward or forward in an electronic reader; it's only a concept.  Additionally, you can hold a device that is displaying "The Tale of Peter Rabbit," and it is no different to your brain than if that same device were displaying the Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Writing and typing are handled by the brain in the same way.  When you write something out by hand, with a physical writing utensil on paper, the brain remembers it much better and processes the information more efficiently than when you type using a keyboard or a typewriter and even better than physically writing with an electronic drawing pad.  This is another reason why video games are so dangerous and destructive to the human mind, but I digress.

If they stop printing physical Bibles, then I will either make my own press or I will hand write and bind my own.  Although I use one on my Mac, from which I to copy and paste into forums &c., I will never, in my life, rely upon an electronic Bible.  Unless I die in an unexpected way, I intend on dying while holding a physical copy of the King James Bible.

 

 

Edited by Brother Stafford

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I have a Bible app on my phone and tablet, so I can literally read the Bible ANYWHERE. And I do. As I get older I find myself spending time in...certain places. So instead of sitting on Facebook, I can read a couple chapters of the Bible. But my 'primary' Bible is still a book in my hand.

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Still not getting to the "core" of this I think though it may have been touched on....   As Bro. Stafford and and others say.. we LOVE our printed Bibles.  I have a special feeling at reading the notes I made as I was learning so much so many years ago. Something to touch and smell and feel....

But, in reality...  Is "ink on paper" with a leather cover any more "spiritual" than "pixels on a screen?"  I know that probably sounds blasphemous to some... but isn't everything that's true of a printed bible also true of a "pixel bible" (Bible app)? ie: They are both in print (one ink, one electronic) the Word of God?

Would the apostle Paul, or John, etc refused to use such a tool had it been available?  Would they be saying that our modern day Bibles just aren't the same as the handwritten OT scrolls and parchments of their day?

Just wondering.....

Edited by 1611mac

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7 hours ago, 1611mac said:

What about you?  
- Do you think you could ever NOT carry a printed Bible?  Always will until my hands won't grasp it.
- Could you ever get to the point where your "go to" Bible with your notes is ONLY on your device(s)? Nope.
- Is there something wrong with not carrying a standard printed Bible but having so much more info available on your device? (Bible AND complete study tool library) Nope...purely preference for others but, for me my preference is my printed Bible.
- PASTORS: If someone uses Bible apps ONLY in church would you suggest to them they also bring a standard printed Bible?

You should have made a poll out of this. It would be interesting to see the result especially with a few demographics thrown in.

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1 hour ago, Ukulelemike said:

I have a Bible app on my phone and tablet, so I can literally read the Bible ANYWHERE.

I have a pocket Bible (OT & NT) in my coat pocket, so I can literally read the Bible ANYWHERE.

14 minutes ago, 1611mac said:

But, in reality...  Is "ink on paper" with a leather cover any more "spiritual" than "pixels on a screen?"  I know that probably sounds blasphemous to some... but isn't everything that's true of a printed bible also true of a "pixel bible" (Bible app)? ie: They are both in print (one ink, one electronic) the Word of God?

Neither one is more the word of God than the other and neither is "more spiritual" than the other.  As I said in my previous post, it is about how the brain responds to the differences in medium.  That aspect is not subjective; it is objective.  If it is a matter of convenience, in the casual sense, I am opposed to it.  It is my opinion that nothing that has to do with the word of God should be adjusted or manipulated for our convenience.  It is still the word of God and should be treated with respect and reverence.

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11 minutes ago, 1611mac said:

Still not getting to the "core" of this...

Would the apostle Paul, or John, etc refused to use such a tool had it been available?  Would they be saying that our modern day Bibles just aren't the same as the handwritten OT scrolls and parchments of their day?

Just wondering.....

I can't say for sure what they would think, but my gut says they would be accepting of it...if used correctly. I think the main thrust of it is this...we are to study God's word. I don't think it matters what is "containing" his word...as long as it IS his word.

7 hours ago, 1611mac said:

What about you?  

- Do you think you could ever NOT carry a printed Bible?  

Personally, no.


- Could you ever get to the point where your "go to" Bible with your notes is ONLY on your device(s)?

Personally, no. I much prefer a book...plus...my eyes get blurry after looking at a screen for very long. Ha! 

- Is there something wrong with not carrying a standard printed Bible but having so much more info available on your device? (Bible AND complete study tool library)

Personally, no...not at all.
 

 

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Another reason I am a printed Bible kind of person is that if one is reading a Bible app, no one else knows what you're reading.  If you are reading a physical Bible, others know what you are reading.  Many conversations have arisen from strangers seeing me reading my Bible (and other books) while waiting for appointments.

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25 minutes ago, 1Timothy115 said:

You should have made a poll out of this. It would be interesting to see the result especially with a few demographics thrown in.

Feel free to make one...  My polls seem to never work out... 

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1 hour ago, Brother Stafford said:

Another reason I am a printed Bible kind of person is that if one is reading a Bible app, no one else knows what you're reading.  If you are reading a physical Bible, others know what you are reading.  Many conversations have arisen from strangers seeing me reading my Bible (and other books) while waiting for appointments.

Great point! I am always encouraged when I see someone out in public reading the word of God instead of Facebook,

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I wasn't allowed a calculator in any of my math classes. Just saying. 

I love word search on my bible app but I admit it has made me a bit slow and stupid when it comes to remembering were precisely in the bible a passage is. Particularly, when at the door and pulpit when God gives me a passage, I can't just stop and word search for the Chapter and verse. It would be too cumbersome and not proper etiquette to be messing with a device. I need to be able to go right to it by memory. So I like to use a regular bible with book tabs and also add color paper tabs for important verse topics.

Not to mention problems with battery power, lighting, weather and dropping a device. Also few like to let go of a device when dealing with people of the baser sort when a paper bible is not a problem to share. Over all a paper bible is just more practical for sharing the gospel and following along in church. 

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9 hours ago, John Young said:

I wasn't allowed a calculator in any of my math classes. Just saying. 

I love word search on my bible app but I admit it has made me a bit slow and stupid when it comes to remembering were precisely in the bible a passage is. Particularly, when at the door and pulpit when God gives me a passage, I can't just stop and word search for the Chapter and verse. It would be too cumbersome and not proper etiquette to be messing with a device. I need to be able to go right to it by memory. So I like to use a regular bible with book tabs and also add color paper tabs for important verse topics.

Not to mention problems with battery power, lighting, weather and dropping a device. Also few like to let go of a device when dealing with people of the baser sort when a paper bible is not a problem to share. Over all a paper bible is just more practical for sharing the gospel and following along in church. 

Again.. I don't necessarily disagree.... I'm kind of arguing both side here for discussion...

RE: "wasn't allowed a calculator"  
No.. but once you got out of school don't you make use of the calculator (or whatever) now?  You don't use spreadsheets to calc stuff?  Doesn't there come a time when you use new tools due to various things for a number of reasons?  Do you still carry a calculator around with you?  Why not a slide rule?  (I remember being taught how to use a slide rule... Ha!  That was some time ago!)

RE: "looking up verses" (for memory) 
I agree somewhat but in a little different way...  I can actually remember where verses are based on their location on the page.  So if I can remember that a verse is in any given book I can usually find it pretty quickly by going thru the book looking at that area on the page.  That is a great point you make.

On the other hand... I find that if I'm sitting a class and there is a question about something and the teacher has no answer I can find things pretty fast on my iPad and Olive Tree app.  So for me, the app is much better at finding things quickly and on the fly....  

RE: power, lighting, weather, dropping.
I have a much bigger problem keeping my printed Bible out of the rain than I do my iPhone or iPad.  Drop your $100 genuine leather Bible in a puddle or in the sink, the one that has all your notes in it, and it is pretty alarming.  

RE: dealing with people
I think I agree that when dealing with people they are probably more comfortable reading from a book.  But again, I think that is changing pretty quickly. People are more and more reading from their devices than paper.  Young people would perhaps even be more comfortable seeing and reading from a phone or tablet, rather than a Bible. (I'm referring to lost people who may be intimidated by a "big, think, heavy, leather bound, Bible.")  Again... a WORLD view... NOT my view!

And once again.... I don't necessarily disagree.... I'm kind of arguing both side here for discussion...

Perhaps a lot of what we think about this comes from habit and tradition.... myself included.  If I don't carry a Bible into church I feel really, really, unprepared and awful even though I have a Bible and Study library right on my iPhone and iPad.  (and I do carry my heavily marked up and rained on Bible!)

Edited by 1611mac

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I think that another reason that I have such a disdain for digital Bibles is because of how much much digital devices are a part of the lost world.  To me, it feels like welcoming rock music into the church because "that's what the world is using."  The devices are associated with so much filth that I just can't get comfortable with putting the word of God on one of them.  I have tried several times, but I get an actual physical ill feeling in my stomach when I do and then I delete it immediately.  To be honest, I struggle very often with even owning my computer, but that is for another thread.

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I totally respect that Brother Stafford.  However, isn't the world also using "printed" matter for filth and such?  In other words... I do not have Facebook on my devices.  I do not have Instagram, etc etc.  What I have on my device is up to me... not anyone else.   

Some of my bibles are hardback editions.  So should I not purchase a hardback bible because of all the worldly hardback books?

An iPad is an iPad just like a book is a book.  It is the content that matters is it not?

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Just because the world uses something, it does not necessarily mean that it is ungodly.  For instance, just because a bunch of ungodly hipsters are growing beards, it does not make beards ungodly.  Numerous verses of scripture tell us that God made men to have beards, but he doesn't want them to cut them into crazy shapes (Leviticus 19:27).  He wants us to wear clothing, but to wear modest clothing and clothing that is gender specific (1 Timothy 2:9, Deuteronomy 22:5).  

However, even though ungodly men may wear their beards in a godly manner, it does not mean that godly men must shave.  Just because ungodly people can dress appropriately, it does not follow that the godly must then dress inappropriately in order to separate from them.  The ungodly can mimic the godly and can behave decently in regard to certain things. 

These are things that cannot usually be confused by a casual observer.  A man dressed as a woman cannot be confused with a Bible believing Baptist.  However, there are things that are much more easily confused.

An old supervisor of mine had a father who was the pastor of a church.  He said that his father never went to the movie theater because if someone saw him leaving a movie theater, what movie were they to assume that he just watched?  Did he just watch Bambi or The Exorcist?  I stopped going to bars and even restaurants that serve alcohol because the casual observer doesn't know what's in my glass and they may get the wrong impression.  I can't stand having a cell phone.  The only reason that I own one and carry it is because I have aging parents who live with me.  However, I never take it out in public and if I get a call, I immediately silence it and excuse myself to a private area because, if someone were to see me using my phone, am I looking up a Bible passage or am I playing Pokemon GO?  (1 Thessalonians 5:22)

It is for this possibility of these types of confusion that creates more reasons digital devices make me so uncomfortable.  

Edited by Brother Stafford

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I have a printed Bible (it has a pink cover! Hehe), a bible app on my phone and I used to have a bible software on my laptop. (I had to reformat my laptop and haven't installed softwares yet.) 

Like many, I memorize verses by their "position" in the bible. I can recall from memory that it's in the top left corner of the page for example. That's why i prefer printed one. Also, I can write stuff in the margin. My bible is full of colors of different colored pen. Also printed bibles are easier to eyes. 

Also sometimes bible apps crash!! Not good! 

 

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