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45 minutes ago, Alimantado said:

although I'll also say that I think I have seen in 'reformed' writings and conversations with Calvinists a genuine desire to answer questions that naturally occur to all* of us, such as why it is that some people respond to the Gospel with saving faith and others don't.

 

I believe it comes down to whether a person has been genuinely convicted of their sinful state and need of salvation...and whether they are willing to accept their need of salvation in regard to their sinful state and ultimate eternal destination. Some may be convicted, but they are unwilling to accept salvation. In my own personal experience, it took more than once to "convict" me enough to be saved. I didn't respond the first time that I knew I needed salvation. I knew that I needed to be saved, but I rejected it because of my own sinful desires. Some folks aren't willing to give up their selfishness in order to be saved. 

51 minutes ago, Alimantado said:

*A contextualised generalisation referring to the totality of the writer's own interactions with persons online and in real life and not in any way a statement or implication about a wider group of people nor a universal claim about humankind.

...and that's why I said that I wouldn't say that all Calvinists are like that. :) I learned long ago to stop generalizing people...but I still fail at times. :(

46 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

It smacks of "bringing in the reinforcements" from another board.

My thoughts exactly...although, to give the benefit of the doubt...he/she could be a "watcher" who hasn't registered before, and he/she decided to get in while the getting was good. LOL! However, it's just too coincidental.

In regard to MacArthur, I find it interesting...and according to his own words...unless he has recanted since I watched the video...he has no testimony of salvation. His "testimony" is that he doesn't recall that there was ever a time that he was saved...just that he's always believed. 

...and no, I won't take the time to find the video. I have no desire to. If anyone wants to see it, find it yourself and see for yourself...that's the only way you'll accept it in most cases. I don't mean to be unkind or unwilling to provide proof of my claims, but I just don't have any desire to. 

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3 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Let's see...... a new member who, in his first post fully aligns with the Calivinst posts before him. It smacks of "bringing in the reinforcements" from another board.

..........

I just said to my son last night that it looked like we were having our "annual influx of Calvinists".

It does seem as though they organise at a board to come here and "have some fun" every so often.

I find it funny how there is often one who takes "the smiling assassin" role, who thinks that they can say anything they like as long as they start and finish with nice words.

I found that with real life calvinists too......

The other thing that I find interesting is that when a good man falls to Calvinism they often leave other Bible doctrines and godly positions when try to find a Calvinist church.

For instance, I have known some who end up going to Presby churches even though it follows infant Baptism, and/or uses modern corrupt versions (you know, versions that remove salvation from the picture: see Acts 8:37 - or not if you have an MV).

I have always been amazed at what men will give up in their pursuit of Calvinsm.

 

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6 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Let's see...... a new member who, in his first post fully aligns with the Calivinst posts before him. It smacks of "bringing in the reinforcements" from another board.

Fortunately folks like this end up shooting themselves in the foot all by themselves. They will eventually expose their agenda for what it is. This is the real "shallow thinking."

It's interesting that the new guy uses the same borderline sarcastic and patronizing grammar as the person before him.

I didn't wait. The guy is banned. 

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11 hours ago, DaveW said:

I find it funny how there is often one who takes "the smiling assassin" role, who thinks that they can say anything they like as long as they start and finish with nice words.

I have been served a Complement Sandwich a few times by mid-level managers. Worst technique ever! For my educated Calvinist friends who use this approach, It just so happens I read this article in the "Harvard Business Review" the other day (i'm edumecated!) that explains the problems with it and a better way: The “Sandwich Approach” Undermines Your Feedback  https://hbr.org/2013/04/the-sandwich-approach-undermin

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On 2/22/2017 at 5:32 PM, DaveW said:

Calvinism is not a "secondary issue" at all.

In Calvinism salvation is through the choice of God - in the Bible salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

 

I really hope you're not implying that Calvinists don't believe salvation is by grace through faith in Christ because, if you are, that would be bearing false witness. 

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23 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

I really hope you're not implying that Calvinists don't believe salvation is by grace through faith in Christ because, if you are, that would be bearing false witness. 

I really hope you have not joined this forum to call a member a liar - because that would be bearing false witness..... among other things.

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9 minutes ago, DaveW said:

I really hope you have not joined this forum to call a member a liar - because that would be bearing false witness..... among other things.

I didn't call you a liar. I said that implying that Calvinists do not believe or preach salvation is by grace through faith in Christ would be bearing false witness as they absolutely do believe and clearly preach that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ. 

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Hey bro,

I believe it's pretty much like Brother Dave said. In Calvinist belief, God "enables" a sinner who is totally Unable (The "T") who has NO RESISTANCE to the "Irresistable grace". That is not grace through faith; it's sortof like a remote control robot or something I guess. Furthermore, I believe that attributing "Tulip" theology to our God, IS bearing false witness against Him! And I can't afford a D-28; I play a BR160. :)

Edited by heartstrings
Sorry, that was supposed to be a "U"

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53 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

I didn't call you a liar. I said that implying that Calvinists do not believe or preach salvation is by grace through faith in Christ would be bearing false witness as they absolutely do believe and clearly preach that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ. 

Hi...welcome to the forum. 

Do you believe that God controls all aspects of everything? 

I used to have a classical Takamine...best guitar that I ever had. I no longer play though.

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6 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Hi...welcome to the forum. 

Do you believe that God controls all aspects of everything? 

I used to have a classical Takamine...best guitar that I ever had. I no longer play though.

Nice

yeah, where's my manners. Welcome to the forum D-28

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8 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Hi...welcome to the forum. 

Do you believe that God controls all aspects of everything? 

I used to have a classical Takamine...best guitar that I ever had. I no longer play though.

Thanks.

Yes. God is sovereign over everything. 

I'm pretty big so I like a big heavy guitar. I like Takamine but they're a little too light for me. 

 

4 minutes ago, heartstrings said:

Nice

yeah, where's my manners. Welcome to the forum D-28

Thanks

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22 minutes ago, heartstrings said:

In Calvinist belief, God "enables" a sinner who is totally enable (The "T") who has NO RESISTANCE to the "Irresistable grace". That is not grace through faith; it's sort of like a remote control robot or something I guess. Furthermore, I believe that attributing "Tulip" theology to our God, IS bearing false witness against Him! And I can't afford a D-28; I play a BR160. :)

The Calvinist would say that although God must regenerate a person before they can exercise faith that it's still their faith. 

I play a BR5-49

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3 hours ago, D-28 Player said:

The Calvinist would say that although God must regenerate a person before they can exercise faith that it's still their faith. 

I play a BR5-49

At this point a study on regeneration would be instructive.

I have a Fenix D-12M.

Edited by DaveW

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14 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

Thanks.

Yes. God is sovereign over everything. 

I'm pretty big so I like a big heavy guitar. I like Takamine but they're a little too light for me. 

To be honest, I guess I'm not enough of a guitar guru to know whether a guitar is too light or not. LOL! I used to just appreciate the sound and whether the strings were easily pressed against the frets (or not). Playing the Takamine (that I had) was like my fingers were placing a feather on a placid lake. How's that for an illustration! LOL! :) Still, to own a Martin would be wonderful.

Thank you for your answer. If I could show you (from the Bible) that God doesn't control every action of man, would you be willing to accept it?

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5 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

To be honest, I guess I'm not enough of a guitar guru to know whether a guitar is too light or not. LOL! I used to just appreciate the sound and whether the strings were easily pressed against the frets (or not). Playing the Takamine (that I had) was like my fingers were placing a feather on a placid lake. How's that for an illustration! LOL! :) Still, to own a Martin would be wonderful.

Thank you for your answer. If I could show you (from the Bible) that God doesn't control every action of man, would you be willing to accept it?

As for the guitar it's all about what is comfortable for you 

I didn't say that God controls man I just said that God is sovereign over everything 

 

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7 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

As for the guitar it's all about what is comfortable for you 

I didn't say that God controls man I just said that God is sovereign over everything 

 

Okay, thank you. If I may, then may I ask whether you believe that mankind has freewill or not? 

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8 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Okay, thank you. If I may, then may I ask whether you believe that mankind has freewill or not? 

The Calvinist would say that man has free will, but because of his fallen state, does not have the ability to seek God 

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4 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

The Calvinist would say that man has free will, but because of his fallen state, does not have the ability to seek God 

Okay. Is that also your belief then? 

As to God being sovereign, could you expound on what exactly you mean by that? 

I'm not trying to pressure you, so please only respond as you see fit. If you want me to take a hike, I'll do so. :)

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32 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

In looking over the link that you provided, I will therefore assume that its content is also your belief. At this point, I will cease in asking any further questions. I still am concerned that your belief may entail the U, L, or I of TULIP at this point (or their various intertwined concepts), but I do appreciate what I gathered from the link inasmuch as I gathered from it.

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