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It absolutely drives me crazy!!! I've heard a couple people play that way before....it reminds me of saloon music as well. I don't like it. One time a guest speaker brought their own piano player' date=' and she was playing "Onward Christian Soldiers" in that flowery style (which was also much higher notes than usual) during offering. It took everything in me not to speak up. When you play a song like that in a "lively, playful" manner it seems to communicate "I'm playing it this way for show and effect rather the sober reflection one would give it singing it played the way it was intended. Like it has been played for man's glory; not God's.[/quote']


Oh, good grief---we don't need "saloons" and pool halls being brought into our IFB churches. :eek We have so many people recovering from alcoholism, drugs, and smoking---by the blood of Jesus Christ. And, the wounded are coming in---still suffering. :pray they get "convicted" and saved. I mean---the IFB is the last stop for most. You know?

I am really glad I haven't heard this kind of music. :puzzled: The Rock-n-Roll was absolutely the "rock bottom" for me. :-S

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I'm fairly certain that D.L. Moody was labeled a heretic when he decided to use the piano in revival meetings' date=' rather than the organ. You see, the piano was thought to be honky tonk.[/quote']


Hi trc. :smile I am almost sure that the "organ" was an RCC thing---originally. Maybe someone can do a google? My hubby said he has never heard this about D.L. Moody---and, he is very familiar with him. :smile Interesting.

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Gee whiz people, you can glorify God and give him all the praise and glory while doing so to music that is not the funeral durg (sp?).

The God I serve certainly does want all our praise and adoration. He's holy, he's mighty, he's righteous, he's merciful, he's gracious and he is the King of the Universe. What is there NOT to shout about? Better to be a Lord Jesus Christ "fan" than a football "fan." And what do the same people who wouldn't shout and praise God in the sanctuary do when watching their favorite sport? Shouting, hollering and acting like a "fan," == fanatic..............

I'm not saying one has to worship God in that manner. A person's heart is what God is after. Different people have different ways of showing heart and emotion, therefore I'm slow to criticize forms of worship (including music) as one doesn't know the heart, nor am I a judge of what "form" pleases God the most. Most certainly much of today's music is NOT for me; but neither was my parent's music that which their parents would enjoy, etc.

I find there is quite a bit of good praise music that uses verses from the Psalms, set to more upbeat musical styles that is an incredible blessing and very conducive to heartfelt praise of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The main issue with this particular subject is who will you allow be the judge of what is good and bad in worship music taste. Personally I believe the principles of the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit's leading are the only objective way for each believer to determine what God wants for them.

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Gee whiz people' date=' you can glorify God and give him all the praise and glory while doing so to music that is not the funeral durg (sp?).[/quote']


In my first IFB church the music director that came in there "literally" plays the piano like you are at the morgue---of course, the singing is as such. And, I was saved out of that IFB church. Fancy that?

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Gee whiz people' date=' you can glorify God and give him all the praise and glory while doing so to music that is not the funeral durg (sp?).[/quote']

Who is talking dead music? There is a difference between lively spiritual music and lively, rocking fleshly music. God doesn't want the world to praise Him by feeding their flesh. He wants SPIRITUAL music:

Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

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We sing using the traditional hymnbook...and most people don't keep their noses in them! Our song services are great. We have a wonderful orchestra, two grand pianos and a really neat organ. The music that comes from them is fantastic. The congregation sings several songs, usually starting the service with choruses. We have a couple of specials (we don't consider them performers - they are singing songs that glorify God and edify the hearers...and there is no applause at the end, just some Amens!), and the choir usually sings a song. During the offeratory, there is an instrumental either from different groups or the orchestra or pianos, etc. There is no way that someone who is right with God couldn't be blessed during the music portion of the service. And it does set the atmosphere to listen to the preaching. :thumb

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Who is talking dead music? There is a difference between lively spiritual music and lively, rocking fleshly music. God doesn't want the world to praise Him by feeding their flesh. He wants SPIRITUAL music:

Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;



Thank you, Jerry! Very well stated. The scripture always backs everything up, here. :bible: :amen:

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We sing using the traditional hymnbook...and most people don't keep their noses in them! Our song services are great. We have a wonderful orchestra' date=' two grand pianos and a really neat organ. The music that comes from them is fantastic. The congregation sings several songs, usually starting the service with choruses. We have a couple of specials (we don't consider them performers - they are singing songs that glorify God and edify the hearers...and there is no applause at the end, just some Amens!), and the choir usually sings a song. During the offeratory, there is an instrumental either from different groups or the orchestra or pianos, etc. There is no way that someone who is right with God couldn't be blessed during the music portion of the service. And it does set the atmosphere to listen to the preaching. [/quote']


Oh, LuAnne---you have always talked about your church and the wonderful music, in a very humble way. I always get the idea of the Cleveland Orchestra in there---Gospel style. :thumb Why don't we ALL come to your church for an Online Baptist reunion some day? :ideas: Does this sound like a plan? Of course, we won't ALL flood in and stay at your house, though. LOL.

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That sounds great! I love to camp---if anyone else is game? Maybe your house can be set up for the OB nursery? Woman can take shifts---or moms can keep the babies with them? Hmmm? I love working out details. Bro Matt would have to A-O.K. everything, of course. And, I forget who operates the OB women's site? Is that kitagrl---I can't remember? She would have to approve it, as well. All the moderators could get together for a meeting. The possibilities for the future :smile ? Oh---and, what about saved spouses who aren't OB members? They would probably have to go through a screening process. Huh? Just like the moderators do on here. This sounds like a HUGE blessing for the future of OB. We would probably come back from the 1st reunion (knowing eachother in person) and be able to communicate more effectively. That is what I am hoping. :wave:

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You seem to have this idea that people are dancing in the aisles if there's CCM in the service. :frog
Most people are very reverent in a contemporary style service, at least the one's I've been in.

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You are the one who keeps making comments that the music/services are dead if they are not CCM. I find that very offensive. My church is not dead, and the worship is not ritualistic or stifled - however, we are Baptists, not charismatics, so we don't do what Pentecostal/charismatic churches are typically known for.

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One time I was with some friends in another state, and I went to their church with them. It was a "Conservative Baptist" church (not exactly sure what that was supposed to mean... but whatever), and they had regular hymns during the morning service but the evening service was just for the youth and they had CCM instead. The evening service was very informal... most of the teen girls were in jeans (I wore a denim skirt and t-shirt so I wasn't too "out of place").

Anyhow... when we were singing the CCM with the youth, it just all seemed really weird. The youth leader was playing a guitar and he passed out the lyrics to all the songs we were going to sing, so at least I'd know the words (cuz otherwise, I was gonna be clueless! I've got most hymns memorized but I can probably only quote a few CCM songs..) When we were singing, it just seemed so... wrong. I couldn't even seriously sing along with the lyrics because it just didn't feel right. I don't have a problem with people listening to CCM outside of church, and there's some good CCM out there... but the songs they had picked out seemed so doctrinally weak and I definitely didn't feel like I was in the right kind of church.

Oh, and to go along with the CCM... they had a Bible study with multiple versions. THAT was weird for me! I've always been in KJV-Only churches as long as I can remember, and the Bible study with multiple versions felt so weak... like watered-down baby food! It was definitely an experience I'll never forget....

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You are the one who keeps making comments that the music/services are dead if they are not CCM. I find that very offensive. My church is not dead' date=' and the worship is not ritualistic or stifled - however, we are Baptists, not charismatics, so we don't do what Pentecostal/charismatic churches are typically known for.[/quote']
I didn't mean to be offensive, I just haven't personally seen the passion that I've seen in contemporary services in IFB services. Also, having a contemporary service doesn't make you charismatic. lol

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One time I was with some friends in another state, and I went to their church with them. It was a "Conservative Baptist" church (not exactly sure what that was supposed to mean... but whatever), and they had regular hymns during the morning service but the evening service was just for the youth and they had CCM instead. The evening service was very informal... most of the teen girls were in jeans (I wore a denim skirt and t-shirt so I wasn't too "out of place").

Anyhow... when we were singing the CCM with the youth, it just all seemed really weird. The youth leader was playing a guitar and he passed out the lyrics to all the songs we were going to sing, so at least I'd know the words (cuz otherwise, I was gonna be clueless! I've got most hymns memorized but I can probably only quote a few CCM songs..) When we were singing, it just seemed so... wrong. I couldn't even seriously sing along with the lyrics because it just didn't feel right. I don't have a problem with people listening to CCM outside of church, and there's some good CCM out there... but the songs they had picked out seemed so doctrinally weak and I definitely didn't feel like I was in the right kind of church.

Oh, and to go along with the CCM... they had a Bible study with multiple versions. THAT was weird for me! I've always been in KJV-Only churches as long as I can remember, and the Bible study with multiple versions felt so weak... like watered-down baby food! It was definitely an experience I'll never forget....

Many songs may be very weak, not all CCM is appropriate for worship whether it had a drum set or didn't. I have come to realize, however, that our feelings of discomfort are not always a result of something being wrong but because of our conception that it is wrong or because we aren't used to it. Our own minds play a huge role in our interpretation and feelings about things. When you've been taught your whole life that something is wrong, even things like head-coverings or watching tv, then when you are around someone that doesn't follow that rule, it makes you feel uncomfortable and even guilty. It's the way your mind has been programmed. If you've been taught that tv is a sin, you are going to be uncomfortable watching it. If you've been taught that a certain way for having church is right, you are going to be uncomfortable somewhere that doesn't meet that standard and maybe even feel guilty.

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Oh, it wasn't a feeling of guiltiness or just a general "I'm not used to this" kind of thing. It was the lack of spiritual understanding that the people had. It was like they were talking about the Bible, but I could've stood up there and taught them some things and it probably would've went way over their heads.

Seriously, the pastor there was uncomfortable with saying that the "Great Whore of Babylon" in Revelation is the Catholic church. He said it's "false religion" in general. Oh, and he took a chapter in James and totally took it out of context and then said it was hard to understand and it makes more sense in the NIV... and then he made it worse by quoting the NIV and correcting the KJV.... it was aggravating, because with a little bit of study, anyone could understand what James is talking about in the KJV and it would have a lot more doctrinal significance than the watered-down nonsense he was talking about.

I'd rather stick with an old-fashioned church that believes the KJV and loves the old music. :smile

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Oh, it wasn't a feeling of guiltiness or just a general "I'm not used to this" kind of thing. It was the lack of spiritual understanding that the people had. It was like they were talking about the Bible, but I could've stood up there and taught them some things and it probably would've went way over their heads.

Seriously, the pastor there was uncomfortable with saying that the "Great Whore of Babylon" in Revelation is the Catholic church. He said it's "false religion" in general. Oh, and he took a chapter in James and totally took it out of context and then said it was hard to understand and it makes more sense in the NIV... and then he made it worse by quoting the NIV and correcting the KJV.... it was aggravating, because with a little bit of study, anyone could understand what James is talking about in the KJV and it would have a lot more doctrinal significance than the watered-down nonsense he was talking about.

I'd rather stick with an old-fashioned church that believes the KJV and loves the old music. :smile

lol, If that's what your comfortable with, I would encourage you to stick with an old fashioned church with old music. :frog
There are certainly a lot of pastors that probably aren't qualified to lead people in Biblical things, this may be one of those cases. Taking verses out of context is a personal pet peeve of mine. :wink

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:amen: :goodpost: What exactly is a "Conservative Baptist" church? Anyone? :ideas: The word "conservative" definetly didn't fit this church, KJB. LOL. I also agree with what you said about the Epistle of James. James gets "right to the point" in these 5 easy to read chapters. As a former RCC---I started with the proverbs, then, James (I just GOT that whole "faith without works is dead" concept. Truth Intention as I mentioned in another thread. Then, the Psalms. I at least knew that a Psalm meant song. It grew from there. I don't understand the use for an MV for the Epistle of James---I guess. :loco It is so "cut and dry" for me. What is this "Conservative Baptist" church doing out there to people? :puzzled:

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Can someone define conservative' date=' since it seems to be the standard for what is right and wrong. :frog[/quote']


I just have never heard about a "Conservative Baptist" on a church sign, is all. :ideas: anyone?

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It wasn't on the church sign. The sign didn't even have "Baptist" on it... even though it included the name Baptist in the bulletin, I think. The reason I knew it was "Conservative Baptist" is because of a plaque that was hanging on one of the walls. It's part of the "Conservative Baptist Association of America"... whatever that is.

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Princess,

As you have the Internet I'd encourage you to do a Google search on "Conservative Baptist Association of America." I'm fairly certain you will be able to find a large amount of information both positive, negative and neutral.

If you are looking however for someone's opinion on the OB as to who and what they are, I wouldn't be qualified with first hand knowledge.

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I found their website, it just doesn't give a whole lot of information. I still don't know much about it...

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Interesting where this discussion has led us back to - the KJB as the authority. My only question is, why are so many people talking about how they feel about the music, or about what their pastor does, or whatever else? Isn't the point to look for the truth in the matter - what does the KJB say about how and what music is appropriate for our lives?

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Can we discuss this statement? What exactly do you mean? I'm not trying to be ornery here, but it would seem to me that this "passion" that you describe is most likely the reason that you are in favor of contemporary worship services, and I'd be interested to know how you measure a person's "passion" for their Savior in this way.

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