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What does rasing hands in the OT means. (please don't tell me you do something with out knowing the meaning)


During prayer is the most common biblical example of lifting up the hands to God, but there is no reason it can't be done during music IF the heart is right and IF the music is glorifying to God.

In the scriptures, authority and power is often symbolically passed through the hands. Thus we see throughout the scriptures the laying on of hands to give a blessing, pass authority, etc. It is also why even to this day when the president of the USA is sworn in they must place one hand on th bible and lift the other up in the air while swearing. By that they are swearing on the authority of the scriptures and on the authority of the person of God himself. That was as serious of an oath as our founders knew how to make. Raising your hands to God is expressing that you are passing or submitting your "authority"(your own will, attitudes, etc.) to him. That is what is it is holy about it and why it it can be a good thing if done in the proper spirit or a wicked thing if done out of a impure heart as shown in this verse:

"Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood."

The symbolical passing of power through the hands is not limited to any particular biblical period. In the scriptures we see: Abraham, Israel(Jacob), Moses, David, Jesus Christ, Paul, etc. all either doing it or recommending it. You can't limit it to one period of time, and you can't discount it. To many biblical examples of to many believers(as well as Christ himself) lifting their hands to God to show submission to him or placing their hands on others to pass power or blessing to them. :wink

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Intresting, intresting.

There is a quote that says that once you can't answer something or yoiu don't have an argument then you attack the person.

So I am not surprised of some words.

By another way seems like a manipulation of verses to use it in your preference, hmm.
Something else that I have mention several times calls my attention that the ones who are always in pro of the charismatic practices to get in Baptist Churches are the same ones... sooo...

I see you can't answer the question. And with things that are facts that are true then you come with ... like a Catholic and blah, blah, because you are just avoiding to answer what is a fact.

Kevin, candlelight and the other one (I can't remeber the name) Here is the issue, I think you guys are manipulating the BIble and then avoiding the facts.

PLease, be honest at least you think Jesus would be there raising hands, crying and doing those charsmiatical practices?????? Because if then maybe we have a different Jesus. I have a Jesus who is solid, spirit adn truth.

Its just silly trying to compare me with Catholics, its funny what modern Baptist could say.

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Intresting, intresting.

There is a quote that says that once you can't answer something or yoiu don't have an argument then you attack the person.

So I am not surprised of some words.

By another way seems like a manipulation of verses to use it in your preference, hmm.
Something else that I have mention several times calls my attention that the ones who are always in pro of the charismatic practices to get in Baptist Churches are the same ones... sooo...

I see you can't answer the question. And with things that are facts that are true then you come with ... like a Catholic and blah, blah, because you are just avoiding to answer what is a fact.

Kevin, candlelight and the other one (I can't remeber the name) Here is the issue, I think you guys are manipulating the BIble and then avoiding the facts.

PLease, be honest at least you think Jesus would be there raising hands, crying and doing those charsmiatical practices?????? Because if then maybe we have a different Jesus. I have a Jesus who is solid, spirit adn truth.

Its just silly trying to compare me with Catholics, its funny what modern Baptist could say.


My friend, your statements and arguments really have me chuckling and laughing. Then I have to stop because you really are being serious. You complain that Kevin is using Scripture wrongly; BUT at least he's using Scripture. You haven't given any Scripture to buttress your claim that raising hands to the LORD during worship and/or prayer is wrong and should not be done.

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lol, I have to agree with TRC on this one. It would be funny if you weren't so serious. If you provided even a shred of evidence then maybe, just maybe, you could accuse me of not answering you. The only person here who is avoiding answering is you. You are not showing the slightest bit of respect to the Bible by completely disregarding it in this discussion.

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PLease, be honest at least you think Jesus would be there raising hands, crying and doing those charsmiatical practices?????? Because if then maybe we have a different Jesus. I have a Jesus who is solid, spirit adn truth.


I sense that is your real problem with hand raising. :wink You seem to be under the impression that it is a "charismatic thing". Biblical hand raising isn't a "charismatic thing" any more than the Holy Spirit is a "charismatic thing". The charismatics are prone to abuse the proper use of hand raising and turn it into a outlet for the flesh but that doesn't mean that hand raising is unbiblical and to be avoided any more than their mis-attributing of things like tongues(or what they call tongues rather) to the Holy Ghost means we should avoid speaking of the Holy Spirit.


Address the real problem, the charismatics common abuse of hand raising, but hand raising IS biblical and you can't deny it.

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I sense that is your real problem with hand raising. :wink You seem to be under the impression that it is a "charismatic thing". Biblical hand raising isn't a "charismatic thing" any more than the Holy Spirit is a "charismatic thing". The charismatics are prone to abuse the proper use of hand raising and turn it into a outlet for the flesh but that doesn't mean that hand raising is unbiblical and to be avoided any more than their mis-attributing of things like tongues(or what they call tongues rather) to the Holy Ghost means we should avoid speaking of the Holy Spirit.


Address the real problem, the charismatics common abuse of hand raising, but hand raising IS biblical and you can't deny it.

Good post Seth.

Let me say this though, I know quite a few missionaries on the field and the charismatics are one of the biggest enemies of a true faith that they are facing. Much more so than what we see here in the states. I've had to temper my discussions with these missionaries because, for them, the Charismatic movement is a more a mixture of the cultural norms/habits and a false gospel than it is for most of us here in the states.

That doesn't diminish the biblical support about the raising the hands at all... in fact, it underscores that perhaps we all need to study the word a bit more and make sure we don't major on the minors to the point of calling each other names in the hopes of being most right.

There are plenty of things that the Charismatic movement does that is clearly against scripture, but our reaction should be to what the Bible calls us to and not in direct relation to how other people abuse it.

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Let me say this though, I know quite a few missionaries on the field and the charismatics are one of the biggest enemies of a true faith that they are facing. Much more so than what we see here in the states. I've had to temper my discussions with these missionaries because, for them, the Charismatic movement is a more a mixture of the cultural norms/habits and a false gospel than it is for most of us here in the states.


Certainly, I wasn't defending them by any means, they are wrong in how they usually go about it, but it is in what spirit they go about it that is the problem, not hand raising in general. I also understand they are often even worse in other countries, and they are unbiblical enough here, although, like baptists, they cover quite a wide spectrum. From what I have seen they go from those who are very likely saved but are a little messed up in doctrine, to those who are clearly teaching a false gospel.

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