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4 hours ago, 2bLikeJesus said:

My only problem with speculating that the anti-Christ will come out of Rome or be a Gentile in any way is that the Jews will accept him as their Messiah.  I can't see any Jewish nation accepting a Gentile as Messiah.  I believe the anti-Christ must be a Jew.

North America and South America are of Roman linage, so is the 11th horn or Anti Christ.

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10 hours ago, 2bLikeJesus said:

My only problem with speculating that the anti-Christ will come out of Rome or be a Gentile in any way is that the Jews will accept him as their Messiah.  I can't see any Jewish nation accepting a Gentile as Messiah.  I believe the anti-Christ must be a Jew.

  I'm going by what Gabriel told to Daniel about "a prince of the people who will destroy Jerusalem", which could only have been the Romans, as Jerusalem lay in ruins at that time. I don't believe the Jews will accept the "beast" as Messiah, but the "beast from the earth", the false prophet, might well be a Jew.

13 hours ago, Salyan said:

I agree that that's how the term originated. However, by the New Testament times, and perhaps before, it was used both for traditional Judea, and for all Israel as a whole (particularly by outsiders).

Example of the word 'Jew' used to refer to non-Judaic tribes:
John 6:41,52 (Capernaum, Galilee)

Examples of the word 'Jew' used to refer to corporate Israel:
Matthew 2:2-6 (the wise men referred to the one that 'should rule Israel' as 'the King of the Jews')
John 2:13; 5:1 (The Passover & feasts were not given only to Judah/Benjamin/Levi, but to all Israel)
Romans 3:9, 29, 9:24; 1 Cor. 1:22-24; 10:32, 12:13 (Jews as opposed to Gentiles, which are commonly understood to be non-Israelitish peoples).
Galatians 1:13-14 (Reference to the Jews religion - while centered in Jerusalem, it was never only a Judean religion)
Basically any reference to synagogues or Jews in Asia or Europe.  I think it's a stretch to assume that the only reference we have to those following Judaism or identified as Jews in these parts of the world were only from 3 tribes. 

Frankly, long before the New Testament times, I suspect that all the references in Esther to 'Jews' referred to them corporately. We know that many tribes were removed to Persia; are we to assume that the national identity was sustained in exile to such a great extent that they were not all affected by these events? All modern Jews - most of whom have no idea which tribe they are descended from - celebrate Purim just as all Jews were told to do in Esther 9.
 

That's arguing from silence. 

 Sometimes, silence is a good argument. But I believe there are many more Iaraelis who don't know their true national identity. And God said He's gonna re-join Judah & the rest of Israel into one nation again It's just something to watch for as time goes by, which could provide us with more tools to convince skeptics of the truth of God's word, and that He is real, alive, & in charge.

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If the lord tarries and the way people are blaming Christians for not being more "accepting" then, I would be leaning more towards "concentration camps" or "re-education centers"....I believe the "beginning of sorrows" (or birth pains as some call them) is our present time that is leading up to Israel's tribulation. God can take us out at any time but the closer He tarries the more of the symptoms we will experience that lead up to their re-birth.

Matthew 24:6-14 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

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2 hours ago, John Young said:

If the lord tarries and the way people are blaming Christians for not being more "accepting" then, I would be leaning more towards "concentration camps" or "re-education centers"....I believe the "beginning of sorrows" (or birth pains as some call them) is our present time that is leading up to Israel's tribulation. God can take us out at any time but the closer He tarries the more of the symptoms we will experience that lead up to their re-birth.

Matthew 24:6-14 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

  Remember, Jesus said the generation that sees some of these things will see them all. And how do birth pains progress? They generally start out mildly, then become progressively more intense & closer together. I believe that's how the great trib will be.

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5 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  Remember, Jesus said the generation that sees some of these things will see them all. And how do birth pains progress? They generally start out mildly, then become progressively more intense & closer together. I believe that's how the great trib will be.

I think famines are next.

 

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10 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

I think famines are next.

 

 May be. But I don't believe the series of events will really get rolling til the "beast" comes to power, & the Jews build a new temple in Jerusalem. I don't know which of those will come first, nor how near or far from now they may be. But we DO know the Jews have all the building materials ready, that they recently consecrated an altar to be placed in that temple when built, & that they're breeding animals such as red heifers to be used in temple rites. It COULD be that the beast will broker a deal that'll allow the jews to build that temple without starting a war. I certainly don't know for sure!

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On 3/21/2019 at 6:46 AM, robycop3 said:

 May be. But I don't believe the series of events will really get rolling til the "beast" comes to power, & the Jews build a new temple in Jerusalem. I don't know which of those will come first, nor how near or far from now they may be. But we DO know the Jews have all the building materials ready, that they recently consecrated an altar to be placed in that temple when built, & that they're breeding animals such as red heifers to be used in temple rites. It COULD be that the beast will broker a deal that'll allow the jews to build that temple without starting a war. I certainly don't know for sure!

After the six day war, we we told in our church that the Jews had all the materials teady for a temple and would soon be completed.  That was false and I have no doubt current speculations are also false.

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On 3/21/2019 at 2:46 AM, robycop3 said:

 May be. But I don't believe the series of events will really get rolling til the "beast" comes to power, & the Jews build a new temple in Jerusalem. I don't know which of those will come first, nor how near or far from now they may be. But we DO know the Jews have all the building materials ready, that they recently consecrated an altar to be placed in that temple when built, & that they're breeding animals such as red heifers to be used in temple rites. It COULD be that the beast will broker a deal that'll allow the jews to build that temple without starting a war. I certainly don't know for sure!

Matthew 24:7-8

 

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

(The famines will increase in occurrences and severity untill the day of the Lord . )

 

(I believe the temple will be built beside the Dome of the Rock.)

Revelation
Chapter 11

 

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

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2 hours ago, Invicta said:

After the six day war, we we told in our church that the Jews had all the materials teady for a temple and would soon be completed.  That was false and I have no doubt current speculations are also false.

A Jewish soldier heard a voice from heaven say build the temple now at the waling wall when they took Jerusalem in 1967.

 

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11 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

A Jewish soldier heard a voice from heaven say build the temple now at the waling wall when they took Jerusalem in 1967.

 

  I read a report from some professors from Hebrew University who'd been illegally exploring the tunnels under the Dome of the Rock & found the temple stood beside the Dome's site, not on it. Whatever the situation really is, the Jews will quickly build a temple when they believe they can do so without setting off a huge war. I lean toward the belief that the man of sin will broker a deal between Jew & Muslim that'll allow the Jews to build it peacefully.

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On 3/18/2019 at 7:58 PM, 2bLikeJesus said:

My only problem with speculating that the anti-Christ will come out of Rome or be a Gentile in any way is that the Jews will accept him as their Messiah.  I can't see any Jewish nation accepting a Gentile as Messiah.  I believe the anti-Christ must be a Jew.

That is interesting.  Have you any biblical references to say the Jews will accept antichrist.

 

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I am afraid I will have to look into this more closely.   I will admit that "end-times prophesy" is by far my least favorite doctrine.  I favor practical Christian living studies over things that will be happening after I am called out of here.  Teach me how to be more like Jesus, not what the Antichrist will look like. 

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On 3/20/2019 at 4:45 AM, Eric Stahl said:

The lie happens after the rapture. My guess is that the rapture is an alien abduction.

This Scripture doesn't sound like an alien abduction to me. Besides, there is no such thing as aliens or their abductions.

 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 
 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 

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18 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

This Scripture doesn't sound like an alien abduction to me. Besides, there is no such thing as aliens or their abductions.

 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 
 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 

Matthew 24:26-27

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

When Jesus comes in the clouds the world will see his light and we will be missing but our clothing will be laying in piles.  What do you think the antichrist will say to explain what happened?

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27 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

He could say anything he likes Eric. But you said "my guess is that the rapture is an alien abduction.." I thought you meant that this was your own personal explanation. If I misunderstood I am sorry.

Thank you Jim I  went back and corrected it.

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On 3/24/2019 at 6:11 PM, Eric Stahl said:

Matthew 24:26-27

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

When Jesus comes in the clouds the world will see his light and we will be missing but our clothing will be laying in piles.  What do you think the antichrist will say to explain what happened?

 I can't really guess what he will say, but his followers will accept whatever he says without question, I believe.

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On 3/28/2019 at 3:06 AM, robycop3 said:

 I can't really guess what he will say, but his followers will accept whatever he says without question, I believe.

God will cause the people that heard the gospel and rejected Jesus to believe the lie of the antichrist. Many Americans will be caused by God to believe the antichrist.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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1 hour ago, Eric Stahl said:

Many Americans will be caused by God to believe the antichrist. 

 

 

Jerry said, "Many Americans. How about many people from all over the world."

Jerry was one hundred per cent correct. I:23_28_100:

The vast majority of people, in all of the different nations of the world, reject the gospel of Jesus Christ as their Saviour.

The people, in all of the different nations of the world, who have rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ as their Saviour will believe the lie of the anti-Christ, just as Paul the Apostle stated. Paul the apostle did not list, or single out, America, or any other one country.

Lately, it is becoming popular for people to write, without concrete scriptural truth, that America will be the seat of the anti-Christ. After considering all of the scripture references given, I do not believe it at all.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Although no one can say for sure, I have always believed that the Anti Christ will be of Middle Eastern descent. There are Scriptures that point in that direction, while there are no Scriptures that point exclusively to America.

I believe, also, that he would have to be from one of the 12 tribes, in order for the Jews to accept him as their messiah. I've heard that it would likely be from the tribe of Dan, and I think Gen. 49:17 is one reason folks think so.  "Dan shall be a serpent in the way, a viper by the path, that bites the horse’s heels so that his rider falls backward. He will be a serpent by the road, a viper in the path, that bites the horse’s heels so that its rider tumbles backward. "Dan shall be a serpent in the way, A horned snake in the path, That bites the horse's heels, So that his rider falls backward."

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13 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

God will cause the people that heard the gospel and rejected Jesus to believe the lie of the antichrist. Many Americans will be caused by God to believe the antichrist.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God chooses the antichrist.

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3 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

God chooses the antichrist.

? What does that even mean, and how does it relate to this topic?

God has already told us some specifics in His Word about the antichrist. The man that He will allow to become the antichrist has already been chosen, and we are just awaiting those details to be fulfilled. He will not “choose” someone contrary to what He has already revealed.

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On 4/1/2019 at 10:56 AM, Jerry said:

? What does that even mean, and how does it relate to this topic?

God has already told us some specifics in His Word about the antichrist. The man that He will allow to become the antichrist has already been chosen, and we are just awaiting those details to be fulfilled. He will not “choose” someone contrary to what He has already revealed.

Yes God will choose the man he wants the people to follow. And he will cause them to believe the lie of the antichrist. the home base of the antichrist is Babylon. Mystery Babylon is a whore that replaces the bride. All of the "christian denominations and Catholics will merge to form the false church" after the rapture. Mystery Babylon will rule the Christian nations for the first half of the tribulation because of the fear of the people.

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On 4/1/2019 at 10:56 AM, Jerry said:

? What does that even mean, and how does it relate to this topic?

God has already told us some specifics in His Word about the antichrist. The man that He will allow to become the antichrist has already been chosen, and we are just awaiting those details to be fulfilled. He will not “choose” someone contrary to what He has already revealed.

  A little aside - I believe God will give him the chance to repent & come to Jesus, same as  Jesus gave Iscariot the chance by letting him know He was aware of Judas' plans. & that it'd be better for 'that man' if he'd never been born.  But the future 'beast' will likely pass  & choose Satan.

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On 1/27/2017 at 11:11 PM, Eric Stahl said:

Revelation 16:10

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

666 will come from a kingdom that will become dark before Armageddon.

In the Kingdom age the sun and moon will not set over Israel and they won't give light. When the sun stays over Israel the other side of the earth will stay dark.

Isaiah 60:18-20

18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

When the sun and moon stay over Israel America will be dark. Europe Africa the middle east and Asia will be in the light. The saeat of power for the beast starts on america's side of the earth.And America is the most strongholds.

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  The "seat of the beast" will be in Jerusalem or thereabouts, or maybe Rome.

  I believe that,  as the great trib progresses, smoke & dust from the other catastrophes will block out most natural light from the sun & moon, fulfilling Joel's prophecy of the "blood moon". (It won't be a lunar eclipse, all of which are predicted far in advance.)

 ( I have theorized about the cause of the natural disasters of the trib, which, of course, will be under God's control, but that's for other discussions.)

I believe this darkness will be worldwide, and will cause worldwide crop failures, as well as  likely killing everyone with COPD or other respiratory probs, but will only be part of the series of disasters which will come in rapid order, as outlined in the Revelation. And Jesus will cut them short just before His return before all flesh can perish.

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On 7/4/2019 at 10:03 AM, robycop3 said:

  The "seat of the beast" will be in Jerusalem or thereabouts, or maybe Rome.

  I believe that,  as the great trib progresses, smoke & dust from the other catastrophes will block out most natural light from the sun & moon, fulfilling Joel's prophecy of the "blood moon". (It won't be a lunar eclipse, all of which are predicted far in advance.)

 ( I have theorized about the cause of the natural disasters of the trib, which, of course, will be under God's control, but that's for other discussions.)

I believe this darkness will be worldwide, and will cause worldwide crop failures, as well as  likely killing everyone with COPD or other respiratory probs, but will only be part of the series of disasters which will come in rapid order, as outlined in the Revelation. And Jesus will cut them short just before His return before all flesh can perish.

During the last half of the tribulation the antichrist will set up his palace in Israel.

Daniel 11:45

 

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Under the shadow of the moon in the last half of the tribulation.

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